Atheists' arguments are essentially evasions. [W:116,971,997]

I am a theist and in regard to religion I call myself a diy Christian.

I have been talking with atheists for years now, and I have come to the certainty that atheists are essentially into evasions in their arguments against the existence of God, in concept as first and foremost the creator cause of everything with a beginning.

For example, the ways they describe themselves is already into evasion, avoiding seeing themselves in their true attitude, like they describe themselves as just not believing in any God, gods, goddesses, deities, divinities, etc., whereas the way I see them they are simply motivated by any other reasons, than that they simply just do not believe in any God, gods, goddesses, deities, divinities, etc.

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Sanluis said:

I am a theist and in regard to religion I call myself a diy Christian.

I have been talking with atheists for years now, and I have come to the certainty that atheists are essentially into evasions in their arguments against the existence of God, in concept as first and foremost the creator cause of everything with a beginning.

For example, the ways they describe themselves is already into evasion, avoiding seeing themselves in their true attitude, like they describe themselves as just not believing in any God, gods, goddesses, deities, divinities, etc., whereas the way I see them they are simply motivated by any other reasons, than that they simply just do not believe in any God, gods, goddesses, deities, divinities, etc.

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And, other than venting against atheists, what evidence do you have , because venting and your own personal prejudices?

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Sanluis said:

I am a theist and in regard to religion I call myself a diy Christian.

I have been talking with atheists for years now, and I have come to the certainty that atheists are essentially into evasions in their arguments against the existence of God, in concept as first and foremost the creator cause of everything with a beginning.

For example, the ways they describe themselves is already into evasion, avoiding seeing themselves in their true attitude, like they describe themselves as just not believing in any God, gods, goddesses, deities, divinities, etc., whereas the way I see them they are simply motivated by any other reasons, than that they simply just do not believe in any God, gods, goddesses, deities, divinities, etc.

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Wot???

So, given your certainty of my thinking, what do I believe then?

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Sanluis said:

I am a theist and in regard to religion I call myself a diy Christian.

I have been talking with atheists for years now, and I have come to the certainty that atheists are essentially into evasions in their arguments against the existence of God, in concept as first and foremost the creator cause of everything with a beginning.

For example, the ways they describe themselves is already into evasion, avoiding seeing themselves in their true attitude, like they describe themselves as just not believing in any God, gods, goddesses, deities, divinities, etc., whereas the way I see them they are simply motivated by any other reasons, than that they simply just do not believe in any God, gods, goddesses, deities, divinities, etc.

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I'm game, just what show stopping evidence/arguments do you have that I am expected to evade?

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I don't waste time discussing religion with these people. It's waste of my time and theirs.
They have their ideas which doesn't matter. Life goes on and it's best to go our separate ways.
My argument,though I am not from there is...
Will the Cleveland Browns win more than two games this season ?

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Thanks for your replies, dear colleagues here.

Now, I am referring to militant atheists, they are the ones who are in particular into web forums with keen interest to argue to the non-existence of God.

If you are an atheist but not militant as to argue in particular in the internet, then I guess you would not be interested in this thread.

However, if you colleagues here atheists or not, are into critical thinking, then you would be keen to keep track of the discussion here, and also perhaps as thinking persons, express your opinions on who is talking sense and who is not, but is into evasions.

So, addressing militant atheists here, may I just read from you how you describe yourselves as atheists?

I am from philosophy a theist, and in regard to religion, I call myself a diy Christian.

My concept of God as from philosophy, is the following:

"God in concept is first and foremost the creator cause of everything with a beginning."

That is from philosophy.

In regard to my diy Christian religion, I care to take the God of philosophy as also endowed with concern for justice in mankind and moral laws.

Okay, dear militant atheists here, may I just read from you how you describe yourselves as atheists?

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Spartacus FPV said:

I'm game, just what show stopping evidence/arguments do you have that I am expected to evade?

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If you actually understood the OP, you're way ahead of me. I'd ask you what it means but based on the responses, I'm pretty sure that I don't care. LOL...

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Sanluis said:

Thanks for your replies, dear colleagues here.

Now, I am referring to militant atheists, they are the ones who are in particular into web forums with keen interest to argue to the non-existence of God.

If you are an atheist but not militant as to argue in particular in the internet, then I guess you would not be interested in this thread.

However, if you colleagues here atheists or not, are into critical thinking, then you would be keen to keep track of the discussion here, and also perhaps as thinking persons, express your opinions on who is talking sense and who is not, but is into evasions.

So, addressing militant atheists here, may I just read from you how you describe yourselves as atheists?

I am from philosophy a theist, and in regard to religion, I call myself a diy Christian.

My concept of God as from philosophy, is the following:

"God in concept is first and foremost the creator cause of everything with a beginning."

That is from philosophy.

In regard to my diy Christian religion, I care to take the God of philosophy as also endowed with concern for justice in mankind and moral laws.

Okay, dear militant atheists here, may I just read from you how you describe yourselves as atheists?

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So how did you get from a simple "God is the root source of everything" to the version of God in the Bible? How did you rule out all of the other versions of God in favor of that one???

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Believers talk about a god but refuse to explain what it is. Are they evading an explanation or are they hiding something? Hey this is fun, exchanging accusations about made up things.

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Sanluis said:

I am a theist and in regard to religion I call myself a diy Christian.

I have been talking with atheists for years now, and I have come to the certainty that atheists are essentially into evasions in their arguments against the existence of God, in concept as first and foremost the creator cause of everything with a beginning.

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It is the Yahweh-Jesus-Casper-the-Ghosty-Thing that is evasive. Why don't they come to Earth?

Notice Jesus was evasive...he refused to appear before Pilate, or before the Pharisees, or the Sadducees, or anyone who could cause him harm.

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Sanluis said:

Thanks for your replies, dear colleagues here.

Now, I am referring to militant atheists, they are the ones who are in particular into web forums with keen interest to argue to the non-existence of God.

If you are an atheist but not militant as to argue in particular in the internet, then I guess you would not be interested in this thread.

However, if you colleagues here atheists or not, are into critical thinking, then you would be keen to keep track of the discussion here, and also perhaps as thinking persons, express your opinions on who is talking sense and who is not, but is into evasions.

So, addressing militant atheists here, may I just read from you how you describe yourselves as atheists?

I am from philosophy a theist, and in regard to religion, I call myself a diy Christian.

My concept of God as from philosophy, is the following:

"God in concept is first and foremost the creator cause of everything with a beginning."

That is from philosophy.

In regard to my diy Christian religion, I care to take the God of philosophy as also endowed with concern for justice in mankind and moral laws.

Okay, dear militant atheists here, may I just read from you how you describe yourselves as atheists?

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I don't see any argument here, jusdt some venting against 'militant atheists'. Do you have a point. Focus, and make an actual argument.

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Sanluis said:

I am a theist and in regard to religion I call myself a diy Christian.

I have been talking with atheists for years now, and I have come to the certainty that atheists are essentially into evasions in their arguments against the existence of God, in concept as first and foremost the creator cause of everything with a beginning.

For example, the ways they describe themselves is already into evasion, avoiding seeing themselves in their true attitude, like they describe themselves as just not believing in any God, gods, goddesses, deities, divinities, etc., whereas the way I see them they are simply motivated by any other reasons, than that they simply just do not believe in any God, gods, goddesses, deities, divinities, etc.

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That example makes no sense. Of course atheists have their own motivations to make something of themselves but that does not mean we are evading anything.

If you want to make a case that we are evading arguments, start by having an actual example of what is our "evading" arguments.

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RAMOSS said:

And, other than venting against atheists, what evidence do you have , because venting and your own personal prejudices?

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You are right, what is also wrong is assuming his musings are accurate, which they are not. If he wants to make a grand statement, come up with more than one vague example. IMHO.

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What is a diy Christian? I never heard the term, but apologize for my ignorance and will look it up.
As for the rest, if you are a Christian, ask yourself why they Bible tells you in John about "The Lord has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts--so that their eyes cannot see, and their hearts ...
Discussions like this, although the make for great entertainment and perhaps the occasional enlightenment, can only lead to more mutual disrespect and resentment, and that is not the path we are to take.
Peace out.

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Sanluis said:

I am a theist and in regard to religion I call myself a diy Christian.

I have been talking with atheists for years now, and I have come to the certainty that atheists are essentially into evasions in their arguments against the existence of God, in concept as first and foremost the creator cause of everything with a beginning.

For example, the ways they describe themselves is already into evasion, avoiding seeing themselves in their true attitude, like they describe themselves as just not believing in any God, gods, goddesses, deities, divinities, etc., whereas the way I see them they are simply motivated by any other reasons, than that they simply just do not believe in any God, gods, goddesses, deities, divinities, etc.

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I think their denial rests on seeing no physical proof of the handiwork of a spiritual Creator obvious to them in the physical world unexplained by physical cause-effect that they can understand.

If you have faith, you don't need proof. If you have proof, you don't need faith.

It's not much different than a deaf person saying that there is no music. No different than a blind man saying there is no color.

For those that are gripped by what Joy Behar calls insanity, like Mike Pence and Oprah Winfrey, there is all kinds of music and color absent from the lives of atheists.

Cover your eyes, touch a car and tell me what color it might be.

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devildavid said:

Believers talk about a god but refuse to explain what it is. Are they evading an explanation or are they hiding something? Hey this is fun, exchanging accusations about made up things.

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How would you explain what "Red" is to a person who has been totally blind since birth?

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Mircea said:

It is the Yahweh-Jesus-Casper-the-Ghosty-Thing that is evasive. Why don't they come to Earth?

Notice Jesus was evasive...he refused to appear before Pilate, or before the Pharisees, or the Sadducees, or anyone who could cause him harm.

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I just came back from a family reunion in San Diego.

I did not stop by to see Jerry Brown while I was there.

Thankfully, he did not stop by to see me.

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Lovebug said:

What is a diy Christian? I never heard the term, but apologize for my ignorance and will look it up.
As for the rest, if you are a Christian, ask yourself why they Bible tells you in John about "The Lord has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts--so that their eyes cannot see, and their hearts ...
Discussions like this, although the make for great entertainment and perhaps the occasional enlightenment, can only lead to more mutual disrespect and resentment, and that is not the path we are to take.
Peace out.

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I assumed diy meant "Do It Yourself". I get in more trouble than I care to by assuming, though...

I don't have any concerns whatever about atheists as long as they contain their lack of belief to themselves.

Actively campaigning to remove belief from others is an interesting need in some. Whether a guy is an Atheist, a Methodist or a Muslim makes no difference to me as long as they corral the need to convert me.

I do find it interesting that they attach themselves to a definition of what they are not.

I happen to be a Vikings Fan by birth and a Colts Fan by location. I am not an Apacker or Apatriot, but it pretty much goes without saying. My definition of myself, though, is the positive, not the negative.

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code1211 said:

I assumed diy meant "Do It Yourself". I get in more trouble than I care to by assuming, though...

I don't have any concerns whatever about atheists as long as they contain their lack of belief to themselves.

Actively campaigning to remove belief from others is an interesting need in some. Whether a guy is an Atheist, a Methodist or a Muslim makes no difference to me as long as they corral the need to convert me.

I do find it interesting that they attach themselves to a definition of what they are not.

I happen to be a Vikings Fan by birth and a Colts Fan by location. I am not an Apacker or Apatriot, but it pretty much goes without saying. My definition of myself, though, is the positive, not the negative.

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I usually only speak of my faith when someone asks me why I am happy.

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Lovebug said:

I usually only speak of my faith when someone asks me why I am happy.

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Nice.

Namaste.

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Atheists' arguments are essentially evasions.

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What arguments?

Welcome, Sanluis.

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RAMOSS said:

I don't see any argument here, jusdt some venting against 'militant atheists'. Do you have a point. Focus, and make an actual argument.

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I think what he is trying to do, is use the I am more rational than you argument. It is a very popular argument made by theists that have a keen interest to argue for the existence of a God. Pretty much the militant theist types that frequent these discussions.

Of course he/she will just ignore the fact, that all what every theist has in the argument, is faith in the existence of their god. One could go on and on in these discussions but they will always end on the faith conclusion. Most religions assert that their god isnt provable, that you need to have faith. Unless you jump down the rabbit hole/give up critical thinking, you wont ever find god.

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Sanluis said:

Thanks for your replies, dear colleagues here.

Now, I am referring to militant atheists, they are the ones who are in particular into web forums with keen interest to argue to the non-existence of God.

If you are an atheist but not militant as to argue in particular in the internet, then I guess you would not be interested in this thread.

However, if you colleagues here atheists or not, are into critical thinking, then you would be keen to keep track of the discussion here, and also perhaps as thinking persons, express your opinions on who is talking sense and who is not, but is into evasions.

So, addressing militant atheists here, may I just read from you how you describe yourselves as atheists?

I am from philosophy a theist, and in regard to religion, I call myself a diy Christian.

My concept of God as from philosophy, is the following:

"God in concept is first and foremost the creator cause of everything with a beginning."

That is from philosophy.

In regard to my diy Christian religion, I care to take the God of philosophy as also endowed with concern for justice in mankind and moral laws.

Okay, dear militant atheists here, may I just read from you how you describe yourselves as atheists?

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Well, what else are they going to discuss when talking about their atheism? The existence of god? Hell no, they will defend their views of god not existing, which is their view on this issue.

And most atheists will defend their views when they feel someone attacks their views, militant or not.

Most atheists still believe in good and evil and that we must strive to do good rather than evil just like most religious people. We are just not (not meant as a joke) religiously about it. We do not feel everything is a struggle for someones soul and do not think that some supermagic being decides for us what happens but we believe that we are masters of our own future.

And if someone is into evasions it is pious religious extreme individuals who have forgotten sense and sensibility and who are forgetting to be humane in the process. They are so judgemental that they have forgotten the people behind their hatred towards these people.

And I describe myself as an atheist as someone who tries to respect other people's views as long as those views are based on mutual respect and not on blind disrespect. And I do not dislike someone because they are Jewish, Christian or Muslim as long as they respect me for being me and do not try and convert me because that is a sign of disrespect IMHO. I am a liberal when it comes to social issues and liberal when it comes to most of society although I am pretty moderate in economic and criminal issues.

I do not denounce people for being religious as long as they do not denounce me for my views. I do not try and convert religious people but do not have an issue with discussing my views. But that courtesy should go both ways. I do not desire someone trying to convert me. It ain't going to happen and is a sign of disrespect IMHO. Stupid comments like "I am going to pray for you to find the way to jesus" are the ultimate in disrespect and do not go down well with me. You may privately think it, that is your problem but when you voice it you make it my problem and disrespect me. Sorry, but that is my view.

And my issue with "moral laws" is that they are purely personal and not to be forced on people as a whole (as long as they are not part of criminal justice or generally accepted), you know, gay men having sex, lesbian women having sex, people living as transgenders, abortion, euthanasia, you know things that are purely choices sane adult men and women should be allowed to make without interference from religious groups or people.

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code1211 said:

How would you explain what "Red" is to a person who has been totally blind since birth?

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How do you know what red is? How do you know what god is?

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code1211 said:

I think their denial rests on seeing no physical proof of the handiwork of a spiritual Creator obvious to them in the physical world unexplained by physical cause-effect that they can understand.

If you have faith, you don't need proof. If you have proof, you don't need faith.

It's not much different than a deaf person saying that there is no music. No different than a blind man saying there is no color.

For those that are gripped by what Joy Behar calls insanity, like Mike Pence and Oprah Winfrey, there is all kinds of music and color absent from the lives of atheists.

Cover your eyes, touch a car and tell me what color it might be.

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What physical sense are atheists lacking that does not allow them to perceive god?