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God and The Meaning of Life

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God and The Meaning of Life

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Without God, indeed without the concept of God, the meaning of the world, and with it the meaning of life, becomes nugatory.

nugatory, adj.
of no real value or importance; trifling; vain; futile; insignificant.

With God, indeed with the concept of God alone, the meaning of the world, and with it the meaning of life, takes on cosmic import and significance.

Meaning
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/meaning/

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Regardless of god or no god, the meaning of life does not change.

But after 1000+ comments on basically this very same topic already posted, well, .....

:inandout:
 
Angel said:
God and The Meaning of Life

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Without God, indeed without the concept of God, the meaning of the world, and with it the meaning of life, becomes nugatory.

nugatory, adj.
of no real value or importance; trifling; vain; futile; insignificant.

With God, indeed with the concept of God alone, the meaning of the world, and with it the meaning of life, takes on cosmic import and significance.

Meaning
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/meaning/

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I would like a box of 20 McNugatories please.
 
Dragonfly said:
Regardless of god or no god, the meaning of life does not change.
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That's impossible. A logical impossibility.

Dragonfly said:
But after 1000+ comments on basically this very same topic already posted, well, .....

:inandout:
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This thread takes off from post #2 in your classic thread, D.
I am certainly in your debt, but this thread is not a thought experiment, it is an excursus into the meaning of meaning. ;)
 
Humans existed for a long time before the concept of God(s), were all their lives meaningless?
 
Quag said:
Humans existed for a long time before the concept of God(s), were all their lives meaningless?
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What do you think?
I mean, assuming "humans existed for a long time before the concept of God," what do you think?
 
Angel said:
What do you think?
I mean, assuming "humans existed for a long time before the concept of God," what do you think?
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I think for them the existence/concept of God(s) could not have any impact upon them since for them it didnt exist.
What do you think?
 
Dragonfly said:
Regardless of god or no god, the meaning of life does not change.

But after 1000+ comments on basically this very same topic already posted, well, .....

:inandout:
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Yup. Pretty much.

:inandout:
 
Dragonfly said:
Only for those with a closed mind, and blinded eyes.
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A logical impossibility is "only for those with a closed mind, and blinded eyes"?
Do you know what chutzpah is, D?
 
Angel said:
God and The Meaning of Life

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Without God, indeed without the concept of God, the meaning of the world, and with it the meaning of life, becomes nugatory.

nugatory, adj.
of no real value or importance; trifling; vain; futile; insignificant.

With God, indeed with the concept of God alone, the meaning of the world, and with it the meaning of life, takes on cosmic import and significance.

Meaning
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/meaning/

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nah seems about the same your just kind of here because either way
 
Angel said:
Without God, indeed without the concept of God, the meaning of the world, and with it the meaning of life, becomes nugatory.
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What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
 
Angel said:
Does it not follow then that what can be dismissed without evidence can be dismissed without evidence? ;)
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Of course. If you claim that big foot is real and I dismiss it because you have no evidence then you can keep reasserting it all you want.

You're assertion that life is meaningless without god is an assertion without evidence. Telling me that my love for my family is meaningless or that I can't have meaning in my life without some god to worship is simply ignorant. It's the kind of fortune cookie wisdom that we get from religion all to often. The kind of thing that sounds profound but upon inspection is utterly useless. You are trying to get your religion to take credit for everything good. You don't get to do that without evidence.
 
Quag said:
Angel said:
Quag said:
Humans existed for a long time before the concept of God(s), were all their lives meaningless?
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What do you think?
I mean, assuming "humans existed for a long time before the concept of God," what do you think?
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I think for them the existence/concept of God(s) could not have any impact upon them since for them it didnt exist.
What do you think?
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I think the existence/ concept of the limbic system had some impact upon them even though for them it didn't exist, yes?
Likewise the existence/concept of God.
Assuming, again, that "humans existed for a long time before the concept of God," but even if humans existed for a short time before the concept of God, and certainly if the concept of God was coeval with human existence.
Do you see what I mean?
 
roughdraft274 said:
Of course. If you claim that big foot is real and I dismiss it because you have no evidence then you can keep reasserting it all you want.

You're assertion that life is meaningless without god is an assertion without evidence. Telling me that my love for my family is meaningless or that I can't have meaning in my life without some god to worship is simply ignorant. It's the kind of fortune cookie wisdom that we get from religion all to often. The kind of thing that sounds profound but upon inspection is utterly useless. You are trying to get your religion to take credit for everything good. You don't get to do that without evidence.
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And you'd be right if that were what I'm saying.
But I'm not saying that you can't find meaning for your particular life in the particulars of your individual life.
I'm saying that you can only find meaning for life in general, meaning for everything that lives, without at least the concept of God.
 
Angel said:
And you'd be right if that were what I'm saying.
But I'm not saying that you can't find meaning for your particular life in the particulars of your individual life.
I'm saying that you can only find meaning for life in general, meaning for everything that lives, without at least the concept of God.
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Well, then your claim is now essentially meaningless. Congrats.
 
Angel said:
I think the existence/ concept of the limbic system had some impact upon them even though for them it didn't exist, yes?
Likewise the existence/concept of God.
Assuming, again, that "humans existed for a long time before the concept of God," but even if humans existed for a short time before the concept of God, and certainly if the concept of God was coeval with human existence.
Do you see what I mean?
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Disagree for much of out past we didnt have any language to convey anything let alone complex non physical ideas, thus the concept of God(s) was beyond their ability to grasp in any shape or form let alone conceive
 
roughdraft274 said:
Well, then your claim is now essentially meaningless. Congrats.
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Do you mean that it is conveys no meaning to you, or that it is nonsense on its face?
If the latter, you owe us an argument of some kind or else it may be merely that the former (you don't understand the claim) informs the latter (the claim of nonsense).
If the former, I'd be glad to entertain questions.
If the latter, I'd welcome your argument.
 
Quag said:
Disagree for much of out past we didnt have any language to convey anything let alone complex non physical ideas, thus the concept of God(s) was beyond their ability to grasp in any shape or form let alone conceive
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The concept of God is still beyond our ability to grasp and yet the concept exists, yes?
And if language were the necessary condition for ideas, then we would never have developed language, no?
At any rate, the concept of the limbic system was a long time in coming, and yet its existence had a very real impact on human life. That was my point.
 
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