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    Re: God and The Meaning of Life

    Quote Originally Posted by expat_panama View Post
    ---which is meaningless if we don't define "natural". Please say what you mean because we need to determine that your ideas are not meaningless. This why we need to define "supernatural". Until we do all I'm getting here is that the word refers to anything you want it to.
    Why, that is absolutely true. Since we can show that there are phenomena that will never be able to be observed (i.e. the inside of a black hole for example).. many can be elminate.

    One definition of natural is 'dealing and existing in nature'.. and nature is 'the physical world and everything in it'. .. which can alternately be described as 'anything that can or does exist, or has or might happen'.
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    Re: God and The Meaning of Life

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    And, by definition, the supernatural does not exist. so a 'supernatural god' does a non existent god.
    You wish.
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    Re: God and The Meaning of Life

    Quote Originally Posted by RAMOSS View Post
    Why, that is absolutely true. Since we can show that there are phenomena that will never be able to be observed (i.e. the inside of a black hole for example).. many can be elminate.

    One definition of natural is 'dealing and existing in nature'.. and nature is 'the physical world and everything in it'. .. which can alternately be described as 'anything that can or does exist, or has or might happen'.
    Alternatively anything real.

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    Re: God and The Meaning of Life

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    You wish.
    By using the terms of 'what is nature', and the etymology of the word 'supernatural'.
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    Re: God and The Meaning of Life

    Quote Originally Posted by RAMOSS View Post
    ...One definition of natural is 'dealing and existing in... ...'the physical world and everything in it'. ...'anything that can or does exist, or has or might happen'.
    Please confirm we are defining "nature" and "existing" as things that are in our space/time universe which we can either observe directly or at least get hard evidence that they're there. We can only talk about this if we agree on what the words we use mean.

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    Re: God and The Meaning of Life

    Quote Originally Posted by expat_panama View Post
    Please confirm we are defining "nature" and "existing" as things that are in our space/time universe which we can either observe directly or at least get hard evidence that they're there. We can only talk about this if we agree on what the words we use mean.
    Or 'multiverse' if that is a thing. I think the main thing is 'exists'.
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    Naturalism
    The term “naturalism” has no very precise meaning in contemporary philosophy. Its current usage derives from debates in America in the first half of the last century. The self-proclaimed “naturalists” from that period included John Dewey, Ernest Nagel, Sidney Hook and Roy Wood Sellars. These philosophers aimed to ally philosophy more closely with science. They urged that reality is exhausted by nature, containing nothing “supernatural”, and that the scientific method should be used to investigate all areas of reality, including the “human spirit”.

    Even so, this entry will not aim to pin down any more informative definition of “naturalism”. It would be fruitless to try to adjudicate some official way of understanding the term. Different contemporary philosophers interpret “naturalism” differently. This disagreement about usage is no accident. For better or worse, “naturalism” is widely viewed as a positive term in philosophical circles—few active philosophers nowadays are happy to announce themselves as “non-naturalists”.[1] This inevitably leads to a divergence in understanding the requirements of “naturalism”. Those philosophers with relatively weak naturalist commitments are inclined to understand “naturalism” in a unrestrictive way, in order not to disqualify themselves as “naturalists”, while those who uphold stronger naturalist doctrines are happy to set the bar for “naturalism” higher.[2]
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    Re: God and The Meaning of Life

    Quote Originally Posted by RAMOSS View Post
    Or 'multiverse' if that is a thing. I think the main thing is 'exists'.
    What I'm waiting for here is like,

    "we define 'exist' as being anything physical that we can observe directly or anything we get hard evidence of".

    If you want the you can say that some natural things exist outside our universe and they're things that we can't ever touch and see --that's you're choice-- but we really need to be clear on what we're saying. Before I ask you if you believe in 'multiverse' things, I'll ask you one last time if you're saying that existence presupposes physical observability.

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    Re: God and The Meaning of Life

    Quote Originally Posted by expat_panama View Post
    What I'm waiting for here is like,

    "we define 'exist' as being anything physical that we can observe directly or anything we get hard evidence of".

    If you want the you can say that some natural things exist outside our universe and they're things that we can't ever touch and see --that's you're choice-- but we really need to be clear on what we're saying. Before I ask you if you believe in 'multiverse' things, I'll ask you one last time if you're saying that existence presupposes physical observability.
    No, it doesn't. I have given an example of something that can never be observable. THe inside of a black hole. yet, you will be hard to find a cosmologist that will say that black holes do not exist.
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    Re: God and The Meaning of Life

    The Limits of Science - A Critique of Scientism

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