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Suppose It's Proven That There Is No "God"

Did you not notice in what you bolded: "theology and values inherited from"?
yes he got his philosophy from others before him, he didnt know the greeks had invented the term.

And did you not read the reminder that mankind knows nothing for certain?
Which is a phisosophical statement

Well, if after the pains I've taken to dispel your confusion you think I am "absolutely confused," then I'm afraid the IMHO isn't going to repair our differences or take us very far in anything resembling discussion.
Yeah I guess there is no point as we each consider the other confused

ditto
 
So you're suggesting that to behave morally, man must believe in god?

Without god we'd all be rapists, murderers, and thieves?

Where is the higher authority than mank.....uh peoplekind, if there's no God? Who makes sure ALL men have their comeuppance regardless of their station in life?
 
Precisely, people can basically get away with what they please.

And?

So are you saying atheists are uncivilized and dangerous members of society?
Because you know, they can get away with what they please?

What would you start doing differently if you suddenly found out there was no god?
Would you start stealing stuff from others? Cheating on your spouse? Shooting the obnoxious neighbor?

Is the fear of god the ONLY thing that keeps you from being something "bad"?
 
So, what you've got against subjectivity is that it ends? Have I got that right?

Subjectivity often prevents people from recognizing or accepting objectivity, especially objective Truth.

What about the astounding fact that it begins? Doesn't that impress you?

Subjectivity exists because of chemical reactions in human brains, and to some extent, in the brains of higher order mammals. There's no mystery to it.

If we cannot escape our subjectivity, why do you characterize it as "nothing but subjectivity"? What else is there?

There is objective Truth.

So resist the attempt to define God or to assign attributes to God, for one thing. For another, keep the concept of God as simple as possible, and it becomes perfectly coherent, it seems to me. Creator God. Works for me.

Nothing can exist without also having attributes.

And my first post (#2) to this thread, to which your earlier post (#975) was a reply, was about meaning, of course, the meaning of life as it were. That's what changes, I said, given the OP hypothetical. What do chemical processes have to do with meaning in your book?

Objectively, the meaning or purpose of life is to reproduce in order to perpetuate the species. That is the purpose and function of every life-form that has ever existed on Planet Earth. As a point of fact, every life-form that ever existed on Planet Earth evolved to primarily reproduce to perpetuate the species, and secondarily to take advantage of its environment in order to further its primary function.

The fact that humans -- endowed with higher mental faculties than other mammals -- can voluntarily choose not to reproduce, does not change their primary function on Earth. Note that the choice not to reproduce is based on subjective reasoning (wouldn't be a good parent, don't like children, too selfish to provide for children and the like).

Subjectively, the meaning of life is achieve personal goals, sometimes for the benefit of the individual, sometimes for the benefit of the family, and sometimes for the benefit of the community or Society as a whole. There are, of course, those people who choose not to have any goals, or who choose goals which cause harm to others, or who choose to believe life has no meaning.

Regardless, everything is governed or influenced by chemical processes.
 
Subjectivity often prevents people from recognizing or accepting objectivity, especially objective Truth.


There is objective Truth.

Since you capitalized 'Truth', please define what you mean by 'objective Truth'. How is that different that 'facts'?
 
Subjectivity often prevents people from recognizing or accepting objectivity, especially objective Truth.



Subjectivity exists because of chemical reactions in human brains, and to some extent, in the brains of higher order mammals. There's no mystery to it.



There is objective Truth.



Nothing can exist without also having attributes.



Objectively, the meaning or purpose of life is to reproduce in order to perpetuate the species. That is the purpose and function of every life-form that has ever existed on Planet Earth. As a point of fact, every life-form that ever existed on Planet Earth evolved to primarily reproduce to perpetuate the species, and secondarily to take advantage of its environment in order to further its primary function.

The fact that humans -- endowed with higher mental faculties than other mammals -- can voluntarily choose not to reproduce, does not change their primary function on Earth. Note that the choice not to reproduce is based on subjective reasoning (wouldn't be a good parent, don't like children, too selfish to provide for children and the like).

Subjectively, the meaning of life is achieve personal goals, sometimes for the benefit of the individual, sometimes for the benefit of the family, and sometimes for the benefit of the community or Society as a whole. There are, of course, those people who choose not to have any goals, or who choose goals which cause harm to others, or who choose to believe life has no meaning.

Regardless, everything is governed or influenced by chemical processes.
You cite chapter and verse of scientific doctrine. This reductionist view cannot be the whole story.
Moreover, subjectivity is correlated with chemical processes in the brain; that's all science has told us. Your causal interpretation is unwarranted.
And all views are by their very nature subjective, including your view of objectivity.
 
And yet it resonates a distinct theme throughout a period of over 1,600 years, with some 44 different men's writings...imagine that...how'd they all get together?

Yet there are numerous scriptures that contradict each other... LOL

Long and winding is the road that leads to eternal life and few are the ones finding it. Verses. Gods laws are not burdensome. Make up your freaking mind!!!! If God's laws are not burdensome everyone should be on the long and winding road!!!!
 
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LOL!!!! This applies to you also!!
 
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