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NT Wright on gay marriage

jwzg said:
Kind of like libertarianism...

Waiting for "Muh roads..."

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Except I didn't pass any laws, red state America didn't pass any laws, our elected representatives did not get to vote on anything connected to this. It was thrust on us by an unelected oligarchy with whom we have no redress.

From a secular POV that's why it chaps my ass. My religious POV is something different. What I'll probably hear now is the thought police screaming "homophobia", which I will ignore, along with all other ignoratio elenchi fallacies. Life is too short.
 
PTF said:
Say no to same sex marriage.
Sad to say my attempt in stopping one in 2016 failed.
Oh well...better luck next time I hope.
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Bwaahaahaahaa!
It was God's will that you were unsuccessful.
 
tosca1 said:



Persecution of Christians is in the Bible.
Persecution comes in many forms.....like, forcing you to go against your religious belief (and penalizing you if you don't). Doctors who are forced to perform abortion, and the cake cases for SSM come to mind.

The Bible refers to any leaders or government (however during those days, everywhere is practically under monarchy).
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Aw shucks. Your desire of imposing a theocracy remains unfulfilled and lo, not getting your way is persecution.
 
it's just me said:
Except I didn't pass any laws, red state America didn't pass any laws,
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Oh, but they did. Trouble being that those were held to contravene the Constitution.
our elected representatives did not get to vote on anything connected to this.
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and even they would concede that voting on something that the Constitution protects anyway would be somewhat a waste of time and effort.
It was thrust on us by an unelected oligarchy with whom we have no redress.
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No, it was handled under the same protection that the Constitution would afford you, were any group (however influential or not) get it into its head to demolish your Church or that of anybody else.
 
Chagos said:
Oh, but they did. Trouble being that those were held to contravene the Constitution.and even they would concede that voting on something that the Constitution protects anyway would be somewhat a waste of time and effort.No, it was handled under the same protection that the Constitution would afford you, were any group (however influential or not) get it into its head to demolish your Church or that of anybody else.
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Is there a Constitutional right to marry anyone you want? Great, I can use another wife, but what I really need is a husband, I can send his ass to work.

But there is no law, so let's write one.
 
it's just me said:
Is there a Constitutional right to marry anyone you want?
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I'd say there's more of a Constitutional obstacle against denying anyone the rights that are afforded to others.
Great, I can use another wife,
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Reconsider that position, I beg you. Not on account of any morality issue (of whatever origin), more for reasons of sanity maintenance.:mrgreen:
but what I really need is a husband, I can send his ass to work.
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Nope, not biting.:2razz:

But there is no law, so let's write one.
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You'll probably find that the issue of polygamy is already sufficiently addressed in your country.
 
Chagos said:
I'd say there's more of a Constitutional obstacle against denying anyone the rights that are afforded to others.
Reconsider that position, I beg you. Not on account of any morality issue (of whatever origin), more for reasons of sanity maintenance.:mrgreen: Nope, not biting.:2razz:

You'll probably find that the issue of polygamy is already sufficiently addressed in your country.
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Read Scalia's dissent of that decision, I would post the link but I am worse with a cell phone than most people. That will give you the gist of my problem. I need to earn some money for now, that will keep you from getting bored.

And no, I wouldn't have another woman even if I could. I have little trouble with the one I have and even she drives me crazier than I already am some days.
 
it's just me said:
Read Scalia's dissent of that decision, I would post the link but I am worse with a cell phone than most people. That will give you the gist of my problem. I need to earn some money for now, that will keep you from getting bored.
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Refusing to ever get bored is one of the "unchangeables" in my life.

By way of a public service I'll provide a link to an article that in itself holds a link to the original text, for those with the patience to read the whole lot.

Scalia gay marriage dissent - Business Insider

Won't address it myself since dissent to a ruling is an opinion, not the ruling itself.
And no, I wouldn't have another woman even if I could. I have little trouble with the one I have and even she drives me crazier than I already am some days.
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Yeah I know the feeling, better said did know.

Still miss her, though.
 
Chagos said:
Refusing to ever get bored is one of the "unchangeables" in my life.

By way of a public service I'll provide a link to an article that in itself holds a link to the original text, for those with the patience to read the whole lot.

Scalia gay marriage dissent - Business Insider

Won't address it myself since dissent to a ruling is an opinion, not the ruling itself.
Yeah I know the feeling, better said did know.

Still miss her, though.
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Sorry to hear that, my wife and I are in a race to the finish - she is older than I am but I have some major health problems, and neither one of us wants to live without the other. We have discussed flying a cropdusting plane through a barn door upside down (as seen in the movie "Secondhand Lions")
 
tosca1 said:
So there you go!

In a nutshell, we vote to choose our representatives/leaders! That's my point.
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I understood your point the first time you made it it was stupid and irrelevant then at stupid and irrelevant now.

The ruler of our country is the Constitution.
 
tosca1 said:



Persecution of Christians is in the Bible.
Persecution comes in many forms.....like, forcing you to go against your religious belief (and penalizing you if you don't).
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I don't care about your victim complex in Romans 13 you are forbidden from questioning the government they were chosen by God to question them is to question God it says it in black and white.

You can rationalize this anyway you want but that's all it is. You either obey the Bible or you don't.
 
tosca1 said:
You have to read carefully. There is no contradiction.
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b*******. You mean if I read under religious dogmatic programming I would try an excuse all contradictions with some stupid mental gymnastics as we see people always try and do to compensate for the contradictions in the Bible.
The rulers that are referred to are described as, "servants of God."
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so you get to decide who is servant of God is and God Made You his personal arbiter?

You can play this hypocrisy anyway you want it's still hypocrisy.
 
SMTA said:
Bwaahaahaahaa!
It was God's will that you were unsuccessful.
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Like I said...better luck next time.
In fact I will let God do some of the work in stopping this same sex crap.
I was watching a few Jerry Springer episodes dealing with this people. I'm not surprised. Their lifestyles are total disasters.
Okay...okay I loved the lesbians when they wrestle,climbing poles and such but who doesn't ?
If you only knew Maxine and Nancy.
BTw...I hope you tune in tonight as our President Trump delivers his address. it's going to be all good news.
 
PTF said:
In fact I will let God do some of the work in stopping this same sex crap.
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He's had thousands of years to do that but he hasn't managed it yet.
 
zyzygy said:
He's had thousands of years to do that but he hasn't managed it yet.
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If God doesn't mind I will help him.
In a few months wedding will start up and I'll be watching.
 
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