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Liberalism vs. Biblical Christianity [W:463]

Old Trapper said:
Faith to begin with. Galileo had "faith" in his theory which later became a "truth". As scripture says, "Now we see things imperfectly, like puzzling reflections in a mirror, but then we will see everything with perfect clarity. All that I know now is partial and incomplete, but then I will know everything completely, just as God now knows me completely."
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Galileo had proof. Religion has faith.
 
zyzygy said:
Galileo had proof. Religion has faith.
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Galileo had the" Copernican theory" based on observations some 600, or more, years before him. The RCC had the "Geocentric theory" of Aristotelian physics. Considering the scientific tools of the time I am quite sure that their abilities were limited; and thus we have "Now we see things imperfectly,". Only as the knowledge of events improve do we begin to "see clearly". The same is true of God. We have an idea of what God is, we just don't know exactly. In my life I prefer to take His advice since I have seen the ruin caused by not doing so, and have seen it personally by my own experience, my families experience, and the country's ongoing experience.
 
Old Trapper said:
Galileo had the" Copernican theory" based on observations some 600, or more, years before him. The RCC had the "Geocentric theory" of Aristotelian physics. Considering the scientific tools of the time I am quite sure that their abilities were limited; and thus we have "Now we see things imperfectly,". Only as the knowledge of events improve do we begin to "see clearly". The same is true of God. We have an idea of what God is, we just don't know exactly. In my life I prefer to take His advice since I have seen the ruin caused by not doing so, and have seen it personally by my own experience, my families experience, and the country's ongoing experience.
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The same is not true of gods. When it comes to gods all you have is faith. I have seen the ruin caused by religion.
 
Old Trapper said:
Galileo had the" Copernican theory" based on observations some 600, or more, years before him. The RCC had the "Geocentric theory" of Aristotelian physics. Considering the scientific tools of the time I am quite sure that their abilities were limited; and thus we have "Now we see things imperfectly,". Only as the knowledge of events improve do we begin to "see clearly". The same is true of God. We have an idea of what God is, we just don't know exactly. In my life I prefer to take His advice since I have seen the ruin caused by not doing so, and have seen it personally by my own experience, my families experience, and the country's ongoing experience.
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We have no idea what an imaginary entity is except for what we have invented about it. Science has always had observations of the real physical universe. It took time to figure out the nature of that physical reality and how it works and we continue to make progress. There have been no observations or studies of gods and no advances in the field. It has been and always will be a thing that is made up. There are no actual physical facts to observe, study, and test.
 
zyzygy said:
The same is not true of gods. When it comes to gods all you have is faith. I have seen the ruin caused by religion.
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The same can be said for Godless people...
 
Somerville said:
So the True Believers and the Atheists are equal in their opinions?
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True believers don't even come close to the damage religion and atheists have done to the world...
 
Elvira said:
And I answered you...I meant what I said...

wreck
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noun
1.
the destruction of a ship at sea; a shipwreck.
"the survivors of the wreck"
verb

https://www.google.com/search?q=wre...ck&aqs=chrome..69i57&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
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Somerville said:
The proper verb is "wreaked".

I haven't spoken of any specific religions AND you haven't answered the question: Is your chosen faith a "religion"?
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Your words
Elvira said:
The religions you speak of, that wreck/have wrecked havoc on the earth? Ummm no...
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One cannot "wreck havoc", one can however, "wreak havoc"

‘Wreak havoc’ or ‘wreck havoc’?
The harsh Southwest sun can wreak havoc on a wood deck.

Last summer’s hot, dry weather wrecked havoc on soybean seed production.

Do you know which one is correct?

English speakers often confuse ‘wreak havoc’ with ‘wreck havoc’. The confusion is more than understandable: both words are nearly homophones (they sound alike) and also are spelled with only a letter of difference. Part of the problem is the relative rarity of the verb wreak, as compared with the more common verb wreck.

The word wreak means ‘to cause or inflict’ and is usually paired with nouns meaning either ‘a large amount of damage or harm’ (as in wreak havoc or wreak devastation) or ‘vengeance’ (as in wreak revenge). Although it would sound somewhat archaic today, the word wreak can also be used alone, without an object, to mean ‘avenge’.

On the other hand, the verb form of the word wreck, means to ‘destroy or severely damage (a structure or vehicle)’ or ‘spoil completely’. (Wreck, of course, also has a noun form.) Because wreck does not have the sense of ‘cause’ or ‘inflict’ like wreak does, the phrase ‘wrecking havoc’ is illogical.
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Once again: Is your specific faith - Jehovah's Witnesses - a religion or not?

I agree religions have caused problems, destroyed cultures and humans thru out the millenia that humans have lived on this planet. My question however, remains the same: Is your faith a religion or is it something else?
 
Somerville said:
Your words One cannot "wreck havoc", one can however, "wreak havoc"



Once again: Is your specific faith - Jehovah's Witnesses - a religion or not?

I agree religions have caused problems, destroyed cultures and humans thru out the millenia that humans have lived on this planet. My question however, remains the same: Is your faith a religion or is it something else?
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And for the last time...it is not a religion that has WRECKED havoc on this world in any way, shape, or form, so it is not in the class of religions you're speaking of so please do not classify us as such...
 
Elvira said:
And for the last time...it is not a religion that has WRECKED havoc on this world in any way, shape, or form, so it is not in the class of religions you're speaking of so please do not classify us as such...
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Your words "True believers don't even come close to the damage religion and atheists have done to the world..."

I'm really beginning to wonder about your world view and a seeming inability to accept even minor corrections in regards to grammar and definitions.

So to continue the discussion, I need to know how you understand certain words and phrases.

In your opinion, who is a True Believer?

Is the group known as Jehovah's Witnesses a religion?

Please quote where I specified what I view as "religion."
 
devildavid said:
We have no idea what an imaginary entity is except for what we have invented about it. Science has always had observations of the real physical universe. It took time to figure out the nature of that physical reality and how it works and we continue to make progress. There have been no observations or studies of gods and no advances in the field. It has been and always will be a thing that is made up. There are no actual physical facts to observe, study, and test.
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Just out of curiosity, why is it that every time a Christian topic comes up you Atheists have to jump in with your hate, and anger, and try to create chaos? Are your lives really that screwed up?
 
Somerville said:
So the True Believers and the Atheists are equal in their opinions?
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I think you are using a false analogy. In the place of "True Believers", place "religionists". For the most part a True Believer would never cause a war to be started, engage in a war, or engage in any form of violence save for self defense of themselves, their family, and a brother in Christ. Under certain circumstance one could be compelled to help a stranger.
 
Old Trapper said:
Just out of curiosity, why is it that every time a Christian topic comes up you Atheists have to jump in with your hate, and anger, and try to create chaos? Are your lives really that screwed up?
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Many Christians are full of hate. Just look at the history of Catholics and Protestants. The Westboro Baptist church is not full of the milk of human kindness. One can dismiss imaginary beings without having a screwed-up life. Asking Christians awkward questions on an obscure internet site can hardly be called creating chaos. You know nothing about our lives. You are coming across as a typical Christian crank.
 
Old Trapper said:
I think you are using a false analogy. In the place of "True Believers", place "religionists". For the most part a True Believer would never cause a war to be started, engage in a war, or engage in any form of violence save for self defense of themselves, their family, and a brother in Christ. Under certain circumstance one could be compelled to help a stranger.
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No True Scotsman.
 
Somerville said:
Your words "True believers don't even come close to the damage religion and atheists have done to the world..."

I'm really beginning to wonder about your world view and a seeming inability to accept even minor corrections in regards to grammar and definitions.

So to continue the discussion, I need to know how you understand certain words and phrases.

In your opinion, who is a True Believer?

Is the group known as Jehovah's Witnesses a religion?

Please quote where I specified what I view as "religion."
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A true believer is one who follows Jesus Christ's teachings as closely as humanly possible...that should be a no-brainer...the Bible makes it clear...there are ones who follow false teachings and there are not...that has been the case since the beginning, when man invented false gods in his mind...
 
Elvira said:
A true believer is one who follows Jesus Christ's teachings as closely as humanly possible...that should be a no-brainer...the Bible makes it clear...there are ones who follow false teachings and there are not...that has been the case since the beginning, when man invented false gods in his mind...
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And how do you determine these two things:

1. What are the precise, absolutely ironclad, without a shadow of a doubt and no chance for misinterpreting the bonafide teachings of Jesus Christ?

2. Who on earth can determine whether or not an individual is following these teachings absolutely to the letter and is not in any way following what you call "false teachings"?
 
Old Trapper said:
I think you are using a false analogy. In the place of "True Believers", place "religionists". For the most part a True Believer would never cause a war to be started, engage in a war, or engage in any form of violence save for self defense of themselves, their family, and a brother in Christ. Under certain circumstance one could be compelled to help a stranger.
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By saying "for the most part" and "under certain circumstance" you are admitting that there is no sure way to determine a True Believer and it is a relative term.
 
Elvira said:
And for the last time...it is not a religion that has WRECKED havoc on this world in any way, shape, or form, so it is not in the class of religions you're speaking of so please do not classify us as such...
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Do you know what it means to wreck havoc? It means to destroy havoc. How does one destroy havoc; by making it peace? You do know what havoc is, don't you? How do you destroy destruction?
 
devildavid said:
Do you know what it means to wreck havoc? It means to destroy havoc. How does one destroy havoc; by making it peace? You do know what havoc is, don't you? How do you destroy destruction?
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She probably means wreak havoc , but does not know the difference between wreck and wreak.
 
RAMOSS said:
She probably means wreak havoc , but does not know the difference between wreck and wreak.
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Not even after it was clearly explained to her. That shows how the mind of someone works who is susceptible to being taken in by the propaganda of a cult. Scary.
 
The Grammar Nazis have arrived...lol...
 
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