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Liberalism vs. Biblical Christianity [W:463]

But truth is not...reality is not truth...

This is getting kind of Zen.

I think there is as much chance of their being one reality as there is chance of their being one truth.;)
 
This is getting kind of Zen.

I think there is as much chance of their being one reality as there is chance of their being one truth.;)

I believe there is one truth...it's just up to us to discover what it is...
 
Godless atheism, huh? Is there another kind? And since atheism isn't even a philosophical or political stance, it is probably quite rare that anyone was killed in the name of atheism. Nor does atheism make a person any more likely to kill than a believer.

They may not say, "I do this in the name of atheism," but that's essentially what they're practicing when murdering atheist regimes kill millions of people.
 
I believe there is one truth...it's just up to us to discover what it is...

That may well be true.

I think that given the number of people who believe different things are the ultimate truth, we likely won't find out all of it until we die, if at all.
 
Godless atheism, huh? Is there another kind? And since atheism isn't even a philosophical or political stance, it is probably quite rare that anyone was killed in the name of atheism. Nor does atheism make a person any more likely to kill than a believer.

He is a Hindu atheist.
 
They may not say, "I do this in the name of atheism," but that's essentially what they're practicing when murdering atheist regimes kill millions of people.

No, it is not. People were killed because they did not agree with the politics of those in power or trying to take power. This even happened in the American Revolutionary War. Those loyal to the king were killed because they did not go along with the politics of the revolutionaries. Is that a case of people being killed in the name of liberty? Was liberty the cause of death?
 
I believe there is one truth...it's just up to us to discover what it is...

No such thing. But if so, how would you know when you discover it if you can't say what it is? How do you discover something that you have no idea about?
 
That may well be true.

I think that given the number of people who believe different things are the ultimate truth, we likely won't find out all of it until we die, if at all.

100% sure, probably, but I think we can be as certain as humanly possible on this side of the grave...
 
100% sure, probably, but I think we can be as certain as humanly possible on this side of the grave...

My truth has more truth behind it than yours. You just won't admit it.
 
ill try again

only theirs no possible improv he made all the actors to inevitably act in one way and he knew what that way was before they weer born and so chose to make some one who act a certain way over all others with every single one of them

And what makes you think that?
 
Well, I want you to show what you claim is true is true. Can you show it?

Making all sorts of statements you can's show to be true seems to be par for the course.
So what do want me to prove or provide evidence? As far as God's character I can only show you what the KJV describes him as. As for how I know my interpretation of the scriptures is right, because of the context it's written in.
 
whys that the only option and why would you have a cut off followed by eternal punishment who have you hurt forever that you deserve that? and why would the god hide itself with the stakes so hi?

Why is it the only option? For the same reason why the only option for you to be saved from drowning is to trust the life gaurd that's saving you. God is holy and just. He cannot allow imperfection to live with him forever. There must be a way for redemption. In the physical world, a judge neither weighs your good works against your bad nor does he just lets you slide by without some sort of repayment to society.

Why is there eternal punishment for only at most 100 years of your life? For the same reason why we have life without parol or the death penalty for an act that only took a few minutes. It's because our acts are that severe to God.

As for why would God hide himself? I answered this in another post. To add, I've met people who said that if God appeared to them, they would still not change.

isnt this god supposed to be all powerful and god?

All powerful doesn't mean he can do anything. He can't go back on his word or contrafict his character.

the life guard designed us to not be able to breath water created the water made us so we would love taking dips in it and could easily remove the water remove us from the water or make us immune to its effects in this case

The life guard also set rules for us to follow and gave us the ability to learn how to swim. If God made children to be invincible to things like being hit by a car, would that child ever learn to not play in the street?
 
Reality is on my side.
I hope that you will one day come to accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour before it is too late, instead of keeping a "hardened heart". Have a pleasant evening, Kind Sir.
 
I hope that you will one day come to accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour before it is too late, instead of keeping a "hardened heart". Have a pleasant evening, Kind Sir.

I hope that one day you will accept Krishna as your lord. Hare Krishna.
 
I've met people who said that if God appeared to them, they would still not change.

Exactly this! God (Jesus Christ) has already appeared on this Earth in human form (about 2,000 years ago), and he did many great miracles and proved without a shadow of a doubt that he is who he said he is, but even given all that, his own creation (and chosen people) demanded that he be crucified for blasphemy...

Point being, even if he were to appear on Earth once again like he did 2,000 years ago, many people would STILL not believe.
 
My truth has more truth behind it than yours. You just won't admit it.

I'm not certain, but I'm fairly certain that if I really was certain there would be a certain amount of comfort in that thought.:lol: That was fun to write, and it's how I actually feel.
 
Exactly this! God (Jesus Christ) has already appeared on this Earth in human form (about 2,000 years ago), and he did many great miracles and proved without a shadow of a doubt that he is who he said he is, but even given all that, his own creation (and chosen people) demanded that he be crucified for blasphemy...

Point being, even if he were to appear on Earth once again like he did 2,000 years ago, many people would STILL not believe.

Where is this proof?
 
But at least I do what I want with my life instead of playing a game for an imaginary god and following silly, arbitrary rules.
Doing what you want gives you fleshly pleasure during this Earthly life, but it does not give you spiritual pleasure during this life, and especially not during the next. Doing God's will goes against what your own flesh wants you to do, but it makes your spirit "in-tune" with God, which to me is a much better feeling, especially for the next life.

I have a lot of fun celebrating birthdays and holidays and voting in elections and associating with friends and family no matter what they believe.
As do I. I mean, I personally don't celebrate birthdays and most holidays, but I vote in elections and I associate with friends/family and "enjoy life"...

I will find happiness doing what I want and only misery submitting to arbitrary rules. I don't have to blindly follow a cult and hope for some great reward that isn't ever coming.
You will definitely find fleshly happiness, but unfortunately you will not find spiritual happiness... I hope you will one day reconsider your priorities concerning this, but that decision is up to you.
 
Where is this proof?

In the Bible... in history... passed down from generation to generation... I don't think it's a coincidence that true Christianity as a belief has lasted as long as it has, and has been as rock solid through worldly persecution and ridicule as it has been, if it was all just a bunch of hog wash... There is a reason that people "cling to their faith" even though the world as a whole is against them
 
In the Bible... in history... passed down from generation to generation... I don't think it's a coincidence that true Christianity as a belief has lasted as long as it has, and has been as rock solid through worldly persecution and ridicule as it has been, if it was all just a bunch of hog wash... There is a reason that people "cling to their faith" even though the world as a whole is against them

Believers of other faiths cling to their faith. The bible is not proof. Hinduism is older than Christianity so by your logic it is more rock solid than Christianity.
 
I'm not certain, but I'm fairly certain that if I really was certain there would be a certain amount of comfort in that thought.:lol: That was fun to write, and it's how I actually feel.

Yeah, exactly. :)
 
Believers of other faiths cling to their faith. The bible is not proof. Hinduism is older than Christianity so by your logic it is more rock solid than Christianity.

You left out the persecution part...
 
He is a Hindu atheist.



That si something a Religious Studies professor said in class one day. A Hindu cand be a polytheist, a monotheist or an atheist all because being a Hindu means one believes in the underlying philosophy of the faith. The philosophy which governs one's life and how one interacts with other humans causes a person to label themselves as a Hindu, or not..
 
But truth is not...reality is not truth...

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re·al·i·ty
rēˈalədē/Submit
noun
1.
the world or the state of things as they actually exist, as opposed to an idealistic or notional idea of them.

truth
tro͞oTH/Submit
noun
the quality or state of being true.
"he had to accept the truth of her accusation"
synonyms: veracity, truthfulness, verity, sincerity, candor, honesty; More
that which is true or in accordance with fact or reality.
 
And what makes you think that?

the omniscience and omnipotence im assuming this god to have

if you know how people will act beofre you make them and you make peel who will act in one way instead of another your choosing what they will do

hell even with out the omnipotence if its inevitable you will act one way you dont have free will the universe is just mechanical at that point
 
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