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    Re: Liberalism vs. Biblical Christianity [W:463]

    Quote Originally Posted by Logicman View Post
    It does when they make it their life's work to constantly argue against and belittle the faith and those who believe.
    No one here has made it their life's work. This is a debate forum where all views are expressed. And one more thing, you should practice what you preach.
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    Re: Liberalism vs. Biblical Christianity [W:463]

    Life's work? Not believing in fairy stories can hardly be described as work.

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    Re: Liberalism vs. Biblical Christianity [W:463]

    Quote Originally Posted by ThoughtEx. View Post
    Biblical Christianity is Roman Propaganda, as Christianity spread and undermined Rome, Roman priests decided to go with the flow and maintain power by becoming the heads of the new religion. It's why your religion is full of paganism and punishment for the dumbest ****. Make everything bad, so that when someone pisses you off you got a reason to take em out. Using the bible for your argument is only going to make me laugh at you.

    I don't care what your religion approves of or doesn't. I put as much stock in it as greek mythology. AS in none. Doesn't mean I haven't studied it. Can tell you all about Zeus. Can tell you about Thor. Can tell you about Horus. Can tell you about a hundred different mythological figures. Doesn't mean I believe any of them are gods.

    Justify your bull**** any way you like, doesn't change the fact that Jesus was a pacifist. Who allowed himself to be tortured and crucified rather than defend himself. Doesn't seem like he was the eye for an eye kinda guy, now does it.
    He wasn't...you are correct...anyone who claims to be a follower of him and yet sheds human blood for any cause...even "Christianity"...is not a true follower in the Biblical sense...
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    Re: Liberalism vs. Biblical Christianity [W:463]

    Quote Originally Posted by ThoughtEx. View Post
    I love Jesus, but I hate Christianity. I don't think Jesus was God, a god, or divine. Just a man, and that is what makes him special to me. With love and forgiveness he toppled the Roman Empire and changed the world. A feat that is only impressive if he were a mere man. Because a god wouldn't have just stopped at Rome. They would have gone to China, the Americas, and Africa. Because bringing your message to one group of people in the world, only sets that group up for conflict with the other groups in the future. And that wasn't Jesus' style.

    The idea that Jesus was liberal or conservative is just ridiculous. Neither liberals or Conservatives are pacifists. Neither liberals or Conservatives want to give up their worldly possessions. Neither liberals or conservatives can look at someone who has harmed them and forgive them and then love them.

    People who really follow Jesus, aren't aligned with any political party. They don't have an us vs them mindset. They aren't interested in proving one particular ideology superior to any other. They aren't interested in putting people in jail, building the military, or making any broad widespread social policy. Making social policy happens with the best of intentions, but gives others the opportunity to do harm. Followers of Jesus prefer simpler measures of helping people that can't be taken advantage of by the greedy. They help people they can see, the best they can. Even people who hate them and want to hurt them. Not because they want reward, but because they don't want others to suffer.

    If Christians today truly followed Jesus' teachings, we wouldn't need social programs to feed the poor, such an idea would be alien even. Because the poor would be fed freely by their neighbors. There would be no homeless people, because their neighbors would offer them their homes. Instead of building mega churches and paying preachers, Christian communities would be paying doctors living expenses to heal anyone who comes to them free of charge. A doctor at a free clinic follows Jesus better than every preacher in the country that passes around an offering plate. Jesus was a rabbi who preferred teaching in people's homes, and under the sky, and hated money lenders at the temple, so why is Christianity a billion dollar industry? If Christians today truly followed Jesus, they would welcome all refugees. Especially, the ones who might be terrorists. Because followers of Christ see hate as a sickness, one they want to heal.

    A person who follows the teachings of Christ doesn't care if your gay, atheist, Trumpkin, muslim, or a serial killer. They would make sacrifices to ease your suffering. And ask for nothing, not even a thank you. And if that serial killer killed them, they wouldn't resist, they would forgive while the killing was being done. Because that is what Jesus taught. Unconditional love. And that is why Rome couldn't conscript soldiers to move their war machine forward, and their economy collapsed. Followers of Christ would be put to death before they raised a hand against another human being. Which happened in Roman times quite often.

    Think about how much of our economy is reliant on war, and ask yourself if this is truly a Christian nation.

    In my opinion the only group of people in America today that can say they follow Christ, is the Amish.
    The Amish are inbred fundamentalists who wouldn't give you the time of day.
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    Re: Liberalism vs. Biblical Christianity [W:463]

    Quote Originally Posted by Elvira View Post
    He wasn't...you are correct...anyone who claims to be a follower of him and yet sheds human blood for any cause...even "Christianity"...is not a true follower in the Biblical sense...
    By your standards you are saying that people in the military, people in law enforcement, cannot be Christians. I think that's unfair and totally incorrect. Jesus said it was a military man that had the greatest faith that He had ever seen.


    I don't think Jesus just was a pacifist. He knew he was to be hung on a cross and die an innocent man, and at any time he could have called it off, but he did not. To me that makes him a tremendously strong man.

    He got ticked off at the money changers and over threw tables and started yelling at them to get the hell out, coining the phrase “be ye angered and yet not sin.”

    If somebody would come into my home in the middle of the night unannounced uninvited and illegally broke in to my home, and I felt my life for my family members life was in danger, I would put that person down.

    In a kill-or-be-killed situation especially if I'm the innocent one and someone is aggressively attacking me, I'm going to put that person down. Now you're saying because of this I am not a Christian?

    Totally disagree with that. Anybody who thinks that to be a Christian you have to lay there and let somebody kill you or rape you, or if you see someone else being physically assaulted and you do nothing, that doesn't make you a Christian that makes you a coward, and I am being nice.

    To actually think that if you see a child being beaten to death, it is more Christian to let it be then to intervene is so crazy I can not even wrap my head around that.

    Jesus said if you teach one of these children the wrong ways of God, "it's better to have a millstone wrapped around your neck and tossed into the lake..." That doesn't seem like a pacifist to me.
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