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“If We Stay Quiet They Crush Us”

zyzygy said:
How many did you survey and what were the questions in the survey?
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2008 Democrat survey: Are you voting for Hillary or for Obama?

Instructions to workers for posting responses: If voting for Hillary then the respondent is racist. If voting for Obama the respondent is in favor of women.
 
marke said:
2008 Democrat survey: Are you voting for Hillary or for Obama?

Instructions to workers for posting responses: If voting for Hillary then the respondent is racist. If voting for Obama the respondent is in favor of women.
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I was asking Ploughboy about the survey that he claims to have carried out. Try to keep up.
 
vegas giants said:
It is a democratic republic. You really should read a history book
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And what philosophy brought this "democratic republic" into light? Was it,

A. Christiainty

B. Deism

C. Islam

D. Hinduism

E. Atheism

F. Satanism
 
Ploughboy said:
And what philosophy brought this "democratic republic" into light? Was it,

A. Christiainty

B. Deism

C. Islam

D. Hinduism

E. Atheism

F. Satanism
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I will go with g. The Greeks were not Christians. Lol
 
vegas giants said:
Dude when did they develop democracy. Lol
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The United State is not a democracy. Our government was set up to prevent the mod rules mentality. This is why our government is more accurately described as a Constitutional-Republic rather than a democracy. The Greek system did not have the checks and balances the U.S. system does. Our Constitutional-Republic was the first of it's kind.
 
Ploughboy said:
The United State is not a democracy. Our government was set up to prevent the mod rules mentality. This is why our government is more accurately described as a Constitutional-Republic rather than a democracy. The Greek system did not have the checks and balances the U.S. system does. Our Constitutional-Republic was the first of it's kind.
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The US system was based off the Athenian model that was developed 500 years before Christ. The word senate was taken from the Greek senate. That model had three branches of government similar to ours. And they were not Christians.

Really.....open up a history book
 
Ploughboy said:
What kind of country is it then?
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Republic..I thought you said if was the leftists who are ignorant of American history. Clearly you are wrong on this issue.
 
vegas giants said:
The US system was based off the Athenian model that was developed 500 years before Christ. The word senate was taken from the Greek senate. That model had three branches of government similar to ours. And they were not Christians.

Really.....open up a history book
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I know all about that. But our Constitutional-Republic comes with a Bill of Rights which no ancient nation had before. America is the first nation of its kind where there is even any freedom of religion. You won't find that in other nations before the U.S. The Greeks were smart but their morality did not go beyond the four cardinal virtues and thus their society was not able to make it as far as America did. But their models of government were helpful in shaping our own Constitution. Since Christians are the only people allowed to learn from nonbelievers of the faith, we can utilize the knowledge the Greeks handed down to us and go from here as we should. For it is written:


"Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable, if there is any excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things" (Philippians 4:8).
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As long as the teachings do not contradict Biblical doctrine we are allowed to believe it. But atheists are not allowed to believe anything that is true that comes from a Christian.

Simply stated, the Christian founders of America were well studied in the history of governments. They took the good they learned and argued about many things before reaching a conclusion. The result was a much more improved government which went beyond anything before it. But nothing on earth is perfect. People in America are free to remove the Constitution if they chose to, but our founders don't recommend it.
 
Ploughboy said:
I know all about that. But our Constitutional-Republic comes with a Bill of Rights which no ancient nation had before. America is the first nation of its kind where there is even any freedom of religion. You won't find that in other nations before the U.S. The Greeks were smart but their morality did not go beyond the four cardinal virtues and thus their society was not able to make it as far as America did. But their models of government were helpful in shaping our own Constitution. Since Christians are the only people allowed to learn from nonbelievers of the faith, we can utilize the knowledge the Greeks handed down to us and go from here as we should. For it is written:



As long as the teachings do not contradict Biblical doctrine we are allowed to believe it. But atheists are not allowed to believe anything that is true that comes from a Christian.

Simply stated, the Christian founders of America were well studied in the history of governments. They took the good they learned and argued about many things before reaching a conclusion. The result was a much more improved government which went beyond anything before it. But nothing on earth is perfect. People in America are free to remove the Constitution if they chose to, but our founders don't recommend it.
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Obviously you didn't or you wouldn't have asked the question.
 
Ploughboy said:
I know all about that. But our Constitutional-Republic comes with a Bill of Rights which no ancient nation had before. America is the first nation of its kind where there is even any freedom of religion. You won't find that in other nations before the U.S. The Greeks were smart but their morality did not go beyond the four cardinal virtues and thus their society was not able to make it as far as America did. But their models of government were helpful in shaping our own Constitution. Since Christians are the only people allowed to learn from nonbelievers of the faith, we can utilize the knowledge the Greeks handed down to us and go from here as we should. For it is written:



As long as the teachings do not contradict Biblical doctrine we are allowed to believe it. But atheists are not allowed to believe anything that is true that comes from a Christian.

Simply stated, the Christian founders of America were well studied in the history of governments. They took the good they learned and argued about many things before reaching a conclusion. The result was a much more improved government which went beyond anything before it. But nothing on earth is perfect. People in America are free to remove the Constitution if they chose to, but our founders don't recommend it.
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They left Christ out of the constitution. Do you know that the very first amendment made it legal to break the very first commandment? Quit lying. This is NOT a Christian nation
 
vegas giants said:
They left Christ out of the constitution. Do you know that the very first amendment made it legal to break the very first commandment? Quit lying. This is NOT a Christian nation
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You think a Christian nation is run like Islam because that's what you've been conditioned to think for so long. But a true Christian nation allows for freedom of religion and independent thought. The Constitution didn't have to mention Jesus. It was a work put together by mostly all Christians who also signed it. This is what they wanted. Christians know they won't have a true Theocracy until Christ returns. Until then, our Constitution is as close to a Christian theocracy is we are allowed to get. I told you once before and say even again, that we do not want false conversions. A forced conversion is not a real conversion. We want people to find Christ but only by their own conviction. We want a peaceful and functioning nation run by a moral law that is friendly to family values. That is the society which our founders created.
 
Ploughboy said:
You think a Christian nation is run like Islam because that's what you've been conditioned to think for so long. But a true Christian nation allows for freedom of religion and independent thought. The Constitution didn't have to mention Jesus. It was a work put together by mostly all Christians who also signed it. This is what they wanted. Christians know they won't have a true Theocracy until Christ returns. Until then, our Constitution is as close to a Christian theocracy is we are allowed to get. I told you once before and say even again, that we do not want false conversions. A forced conversion is not a real conversion. We want people to find Christ but only by their own conviction. We want a peaceful and functioning nation run by a moral law that is friendly to family values. That is the society which our founders created.
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You lost your argument when you put false words in other's mouths in your first sentence regarding the Islam nonsense.
 
Ploughboy said:
You think a Christian nation is run like Islam because that's what you've been conditioned to think for so long. But a true Christian nation allows for freedom of religion and independent thought. The Constitution didn't have to mention Jesus. It was a work put together by mostly all Christians who also signed it. This is what they wanted. Christians know they won't have a true Theocracy until Christ returns. Until then, our Constitution is as close to a Christian theocracy is we are allowed to get. I told you once before and say even again, that we do not want false conversions. A forced conversion is not a real conversion. We want people to find Christ but only by their own conviction. We want a peaceful and functioning nation run by a moral law that is friendly to family values. That is the society which our founders created.
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It was a work put together mostly by slave holders. You can't take one without the other. Odd that the first amendment they write makes it legal to blaspheme the lord in the public square.....isn't it?
 
zyzygy said:
Atheism is not a religion from any point of view.
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Only from your point of view. Religious people are convince of the existence of God and an afterlife. Atheist reject the existence of God an afterlife. It is a leap of faith to believe in God and a leap of faith to not believe in God. Atheists and religious people proclaimed their beliefs on bumper stickers, T-Shirts and billboards. Both are involved with their own groups and promotes theirs views into society to gain adepts. Many atheists will admit their worldview is faith based. In reality atheism can be viewed as a religion.
 
Religious persecution in Cuba intensified after agreement with Obama
https://panampost.com/south-america/brazil/

"We prefer for him to live far away than to die here," Christian pastor is exiled at the request of his parishioners due to persecution by the regime.

By Mamela Fiallo On Mar 13, 2018

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Persecuted Cuban Christians at the United States Commission on International Religious Freedom. (Facebook)

One of the myths concerning President Obama’s government is his historic reconciliation with Cuba. Many are unaware that it was under his administration that Cubans were denied amnesty once they touched American soil after fleeing Castro’s totalitarianism on rafts, which had previously guaranteed their legal stay in the United States.

President Obama’s agreement with Castro only worked to intensify the persecution of the opposition, as more tourists meant a greater need to hide the dissatisfaction among Cubans. This includes religious Cubans; the regime leaves no room for competition when it comes to worship.

In an exclusive interview for PanAm Post, we learned about the story of a Christian couple who were persecuted by the regime and how that affected their entire congregation.
Click link above for full article.
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Since 2015 the Castroit regime has intensified its attacks on religious freedom. The regime has been cracking down on Christians by imprisoning pastors, confiscating and demolishing churches. The regime objective is very clear, to leave Christians organizations without resources and force pastors to leave the country. The strategies used by the regime has continuous unabated trying to crush Christians. But after 2,000 years Christianity is the world's largest religion and continues to prosper and grow.
 
Sandokan said:
Only from your point of view. Religious people are convince of the existence of God and an afterlife. Atheist reject the existence of God an afterlife. It is a leap of faith to believe in God and a leap of faith to not believe in God. Atheists and religious people proclaimed their beliefs on bumper stickers, T-Shirts and billboards. Both are involved with their own groups and promotes theirs views into society to gain adepts. Many atheists will admit their worldview is faith based. In reality atheism can be viewed as a religion.
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It cannot. It is the antithesis of religion.
 
Tigerace117 said:
What a load of crap. God was never supposed to be in school in the first place under separation of church and state. Not only that, but last time I checked, there was nothing preventing someone from praying to themselves; they just can’t force everyone to do so or disrupt class with showy displays.

“Homosexual sin” ? Sorry buddy, you not being allowed to oppress innocent Americans does not mean you yourself are being oppressed.

Yeah.....God stood by and allowed Adolf Hitler and Iosif Stalin to murder tens of millions of innocent people. It’s pretyy clear he doesn’t agree with your fantasy that you not being allowed to oppress others means that you are oppressed.

Frankly, the persecution complex American Christians have is laughable, especially when you look at the suffering of Christians in places like the Middle East.
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Separation of Church and state is not in the Constitution and it never has been.
 
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