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    Re: Should Australia Grant Asylum to White South Africans Due to Violence from Blacks

    Quote Originally Posted by truthatallcost View Post
    Some facts about life in South Africa-

    •There were 19,000 murders in South Africa last year, more than in the United States, which has a population size 6 times as big as South Africa.

    •1 in 3 women living in South Africa will be raped in their lifetime.

    • HIV rates amongst South Africans are so high, that many women and children who survive being raped there are at enormous risk of being infected with the disease by their rapist.
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    Australia granted 12,000 visas to Syrians due to extreme violence in their home country. Australia is a great country with only 24 million people. They should help white South Africans who need to get out of a hellish country.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.co.za/201...ou_a_23192126/

    As I understand the law having worked for a number of years on asylum in the US, the news article and the Aussie decisions had things more or less right. There has to be a connection between the intent of the persecutor and one's race, religion, nationality, political opinion, or membership in a social group. And there may be other criteria when the persecutor is a non-governmental entity. So if the attackers seem to be motivated by greed and not because the people were white, for example, their victims might not meet the definition of a refugee. In addition, though not obligated to, in the presence of horrific conditions, receiving governments may choose to protect citizens/residents of entire countries from return without an individual asylum interpretation. The US did this (granting "extended voluntary departure") in my professional time to Poles and Nicaraguans (and due to the Cold War and Reagan's heartlessness had to be dragged kicking and screaming to do it for Salvadorans.) But such blanket protection is generally granted to entire nationalities and not restricted by race. Countries are reluctant to do this because of their fear of becoming a magnet for mass migration, so they may set a date by which a foreign national must have entered, requiring others to file individual asylum claims.

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    Re: Should Australia Grant Asylum to White South Africans Due to Violence from Blacks

    Here's the decision record from the Administrative Appeals Tribunal of Australia.

    1504620 (Refugee) [2016] AATA 4343 (15 August 2016)

    It appears that in the case involving the female and her Son, a Protection Visa was only applied for two years after a formal request for Permanent Residency was refused due to an administrative error in the completion of documentation provided to the Department. So, they did not apply for a Protection visa initially.

    At the end of the day, the Tribunal found the applicant to be an intelligent and forthright witness. Her son has lived in Australia for most of his life. He's been educated here and he doesn't speak Afrikaans. Australia is all he knows.

    It's all about what would be best for the young boy for me. Just let them stay.
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    Re: Should Australia Grant Asylum to White South Africans Due to Violence from Blacks

    Quote Originally Posted by truthatallcost View Post
    In other words, you don't know if they applied.



    Did you read the OP? Both South Africans who were denied asylum have experienced extreme violence. The imaginary white privilege you've bestowed upon them didn't save them from the savagery of life in S.A.
    It doesn't matter if they applied as they wouldn't have been able to get there regardless due to the Apartheid government removing citizenship status from black South Africans and therefore removing the ability to get passports.

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    Re: Should Australia Grant Asylum to White South Africans Due to Violence from Blacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Aristaeus View Post
    It doesn't matter if they applied as they wouldn't have been able to get there regardless due to the Apartheid government removing citizenship status from black South Africans and therefore removing the ability to get passports.
    Then how did they get to the United States?
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    Re: Should Australia Grant Asylum to White South Africans Due to Violence from Blacks

    One would think a more likely location for asylum for South Africans would be The Netherlands.

    From reading most peoples comments, I would say there is a fair amount of hysteria ongoing, but few people have the first ****ing clue about the history of, settlement of, and immigration to South Africa.

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    Re: Should Australia Grant Asylum to White South Africans Due to Violence from Blacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerace117 View Post
    Wah! Everybody's out to get white people! Wah!
    Interesting dodge. Very interesting.

    If you ask me, you're more than just a little peeved that we pinned down your dislike of someone who is in need based on their skin color.

    Do you simply not have the ability to emphasize with white victims?

    It doesn't fit your narrow-minded narrative, does it?

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    Re: Should Australia Grant Asylum to White South Africans Due to Violence from Blacks

    Sounds to me like a case of lying in the bed you made. Who created this mess in South Africa?

    Time for them to deal with it. And, good luck with that.

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    Re: Should Australia Grant Asylum to White South Africans Due to Violence from Blacks

    Quote Originally Posted by HowardBThiname View Post
    Interesting dodge. Very interesting.

    If you ask me, you're more than just a little peeved that we pinned down your dislike of someone who is in need based on their skin color.

    Do you simply not have the ability to emphasize with white victims?

    It doesn't fit your narrow-minded narrative, does it?
    Nope, it's a pretty typical conservative shriek at this point. Y'all live in a a fantasy world where no matter what happens, white people are always the "real" victims.

    Luckily, nobody asked you to spew your fantasies or your halfassed justifications for apartheid("despite the fact that they were brutally oppressed in their own country, it was the Black South Africans killing everybody)

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    Re: Should Australia Grant Asylum to White South Africans Due to Violence from Blacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerace117 View Post
    Nope, it's a pretty typical conservative shriek at this point. Y'all live in a a fantasy world where no matter what happens, white people are always the "real" victims.

    Luckily, nobody asked you to spew your fantasies or your halfassed justifications for apartheid("despite the fact that they were brutally oppressed in their own country, it was the Black South Africans killing everybody)
    Why do you keep going back to that false claim? No one said, especially not me, that white people are the "real" victims. You contrived that entire tale in your head.

    I only asked for justification as to why people in danger of losing their lives in one area (Australia) should not be treated equally to people who are also in danger of losing their lives from Syria. You made some lame excuse about fleeing gas being worse than fleeing machetes, but you couldn't come up with an intelligent reason, so you gave that up and started deflecting and accusing others of racism.

    The racism is all yours, my friend. Anyone who sees the value of life based on someone's skin color -- is part of the problem -- not the solution.

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    Re: Should Australia Grant Asylum to White South Africans Due to Violence from Blacks

    Quote Originally Posted by truthatallcost View Post
    Some facts about life in South Africa-

    •There were 19,000 murders in South Africa last year, more than in the United States, which has a population size 6 times as big as South Africa.

    •1 in 3 women living in South Africa will be raped in their lifetime.

    • HIV rates amongst South Africans are so high, that many women and children who survive being raped there are at enormous risk of being infected with the disease by their rapist.
    ------------------------

    Australia granted 12,000 visas to Syrians due to extreme violence in their home country. Australia is a great country with only 24 million people. They should help white South Africans who need to get out of a hellish country.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.co.za/201...ou_a_23192126/
    Quote Originally Posted by Aristaeus View Post
    Did Australia grant asylum to black South Africans during apartheid? No. So they shouldn't grant asylum to white South Africans.

    White South Africans still have an economic and social advantage oved black South Africans, so it's a silly question.
    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    One would think a more likely location for asylum for South Africans would be The Netherlands.

    From reading most peoples comments, I would say there is a fair amount of hysteria ongoing, but few people have the first ****ing clue about the history of, settlement of, and immigration to South Africa.
    The Netherlands are too Islamified.

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