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    Re: Should Australia Grant Asylum to White South Africans Due to Violence from Blacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerace117 View Post
    Arguable at best, given that the apartheid goverment sponsored sociopaths who routinely committed atrocities, set up puppet “homelands” which calling “slums” would be an improvement, and generally got up to all sorts of nasty ****.

    No, actually, before the arrival of the colonial British power the Zulus still had more than enough strength to keep the Boers on “their land” and act as a deterrent to keep them from getting too nasty. Once they were in charge with no one to check their power well, that’s when you saw the real start of apartheid.

    Except for the fact that people like the OP have been the ones shrieking about how Syrian refugees are all secret terrorists. The irony of people evoking something they have been vehemently against to justify taking in people who, while certainly not in the best situation, are objectively far better off than the Syrians are is really quite telling.

    If one thinks that those who are being literally gassed by their own government shouldn’t be taken in, why should anyone indulge their opinion on people who, again, are objectively far safer?
    I'm pretty sure the topic is about allowing BOTH to claim asylum -- in Australia. And, keep in mind that international law does not define who is or is not a legitimate refugee by the type of violence they're subjected to, i.e., fear of gassing isn't any different from fear of rape and murder.

    Asylum is granted on an individual basis. For example 50 refugees could come from one country, while only 1 came from a different country, but all 51 are to be treated on a fair and equal basis.

    Do you have some sort of problem with that?

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    Re: Should Australia Grant Asylum to White South Africans Due to Violence from Blacks

    Quote Originally Posted by HowardBThiname View Post
    I'm pretty sure the topic is about allowing BOTH to claim asylum -- in Australia. And, keep in mind that international law does not define who is or is not a legitimate refugee by the type of violence they're subjected to, i.e., fear of gassing isn't any different from fear of rape and murder.

    Asylum is granted on an individual basis. For example 50 refugees could come from one country, while only 1 came from a different country, but all 51 are to be treated on a fair and equal basis.

    Do you have some sort of problem with that?
    Uh.... yes, I do have a problem with people throwing out every excuse in the book to justify not taking in people who are being gassed and bombed yet are all to eager to throw open the door when it’s isolated farms getting hit by bandits.

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    Re: Should Australia Grant Asylum to White South Africans Due to Violence from Blacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Aristaeus View Post
    1) I doubt they were allowed to apply, and even if they were, they didn't have the financial means to leave.
    In other words, you don't know if they applied.

    2) I don't know, but talking about asylum for the people who are in the financially and socially dominant position is silly.
    Did you read the OP? Both South Africans who were denied asylum have experienced extreme violence. The imaginary white privilege you've bestowed upon them didn't save them from the savagery of life in S.A.
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    Re: Should Australia Grant Asylum to White South Africans Due to Violence from Blacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerace117 View Post
    Uh.... yes, I do have a problem with people throwing out every excuse in the book to justify not taking in people who are being gassed and bombed yet are all to eager to throw open the door when it’s isolated farms getting hit by bandits.
    So, you place the value of some lives over the value of others.

    Got it.

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    Re: Should Australia Grant Asylum to White South Africans Due to Violence from Blacks

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    No. The moronic idea that higher crime rates in home country A (compared to those in richer target country B) should become the basis for granting asylum would allow a huge portion of the world's population to choose to emigrate to (by seeking asylum in) lower crime rate (and better economic opportunity) nations.
    'Higher than usual crime rates' do not make up the basis of asylum applications from white South Africans. It is the fact that crime is specifically targeted against them, because they're white.

    Genocide Watch has theorised that farm attacks constitute early warning signs of genocide against White South Africans and has criticised the South African government for its inaction on the issue, pointing out that the murder rate for them ("ethno-European farmers" in their report, which also included non-Afrikaner farmers of European descent) is four times that of the general South African population. There are 40,000 white farmers in South Africa. Since 1994 close to three thousand farmers have been murdered in thousands of farm attacks, with many being brutally tortured and/or raped. Some victims have been burned with smoothing irons or had boiling water poured down their throats.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_South_Africans

    That same logic (disparate crime rates?) would allow mass migrations (via asylum seekers) from high crime nations (or specific areas/cities within them?) to many other nations in the world. For example, much of Central America has far higher crime rates than the US or Australia do.

    https://www.numbeo.com/crime/rankings_by_country.jsp
    That is an American issue, unrelated to Australia. The central American crisis is steeped in confusion, which prevents an accurate picture from emerging to the public.
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    Re: Should Australia Grant Asylum to White South Africans Due to Violence from Blacks

    Genocide Watch has theorised that farm attacks constitute early warning signs of genocide against White South Africans and has criticised the South African government for its inaction on the issue, pointing out that the murder rate for them ("ethno-European farmers" in their report, which also included non-Afrikaner farmers of European descent) is four times that of the general South African population.
    A similar situation developed when India was partitioned into India and Pakistan by the British in 1947. A population exchange was necessary because Muslims were violently attacked by Hindus and they were impossible to live peacefully together. I think the waves of decolonization belatedly reached South Africa and white South Africans should be relocated to Australia as refugees. The Netherlands may be the first choice but Australia is the best alternative, where white South Africans could be culturally assimilated.

    It was 1947, and the border between the new nations of India and Pakistan had just been created.

    Salahuddin and his family found themselves on the Indian side of the border.

    They were Muslims in a land dominated by Hindus and Sikhs.

    "I heard a shriek. I turned and I saw a Sikh with a sword in hand and my sister was running," he recalls.

    "First, they entered the room of my mother, killed her, then they ran towards us."

    Salahuddin fled in fear. When he returned, his mother lay mutilated.

    "It was just like … a slaughterhouse," he says.

    Back then, Salahuddin knew little of the political events that foreshadowed the deaths of his mother and at least a million more people across the Indian subcontinent.

    But it was people like him who endured the deadly aftermath of Britain's historic decision to relinquish its Indian empire and carve it into two new nations along religious lines.

    Now, 70 years later, memories of the horrors that unfolded as Muslims, Hindus and Sikhs turned on each other, remain raw in the minds of those who survived.
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    Re: Should Australia Grant Asylum to White South Africans Due to Violence from Blacks

    Quote Originally Posted by HowardBThiname View Post
    So, you place the value of some lives over the value of others.

    Got it.
    So I don't consider white South Africans to be more important than Syrians.

    Deal with it.

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    Re: Should Australia Grant Asylum to White South Africans Due to Violence from Blacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerace117 View Post
    So I don't consider white South Africans to be more important than Syrians.

    Deal with it.
    Neither do I. I think both should be assessed on their individual situations and granted asylum accordingly.

    I have been advocating for equal treatment -- you were the one who seemed to think it was okay if South Africans died -- as long as they were white, of course.

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    Re: Should Australia Grant Asylum to White South Africans Due to Violence from Blacks

    Quote Originally Posted by HowardBThiname View Post
    Neither do I. I think both should be assessed on their individual situations and granted asylum accordingly.

    I have been advocating for equal treatment -- you were the one who seemed to think it was okay if South Africans died -- as long as they were white, of course.
    Wah! Everybody's out to get white people! Wah!

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    Re: Should Australia Grant Asylum to White South Africans Due to Violence from Blacks

    Quote Originally Posted by truthatallcost View Post
    Some facts about life in South Africa-

    •There were 19,000 murders in South Africa last year, more than in the United States, which has a population size 6 times as big as South Africa.

    •1 in 3 women living in South Africa will be raped in their lifetime.

    • HIV rates amongst South Africans are so high, that many women and children who survive being raped there are at enormous risk of being infected with the disease by their rapist.
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    Australia granted 12,000 visas to Syrians due to extreme violence in their home country. Australia is a great country with only 24 million people. They should help white South Africans who need to get out of a hellish country.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.co.za/201...ou_a_23192126/
    Quote Originally Posted by Aristaeus View Post
    Did Australia grant asylum to black South Africans during apartheid? No. So they shouldn't grant asylum to white South Africans.

    White South Africans still have an economic and social advantage oved (over???) black South Africans, so it's a silly question.
    Different situations. The black South Africans have their choice among much of the African continent. Because of political correctness the whites have few other choices. Much like the Jews during the 1930's. So the right answer is "yes."

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