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    Re: Should Australia Grant Asylum to White South Africans Due to Violence from Blacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Aristaeus View Post
    Are you seriously questioning who was the victim in Apartheid South Africa? Go to hell.
    Yeah. Pile hamsters in a tiny cage and when they start killing each other, blame them and not the people.who put them in the tiny cage.

    I've talked to south African whites who still adamantly deny any wrongdoing.

    Mostly pointing to reactions to the situation as justification for creating the situation in the first place.
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    Re: Should Australia Grant Asylum to White South Africans Due to Violence from Blacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Aristaeus View Post
    Did Australia grant asylum to black South Africans during apartheid? No. So they shouldn't grant asylum to white South Africans.

    White South Africans still have an economic and social advantage oved black South Africans, so it's a silly question.

    I don't recall that a maximum annual income of the victim's racial peers being a prerequisite for a humanitarian act. If Australia has a policy of giving refuge to persons displaced by systemic social violence, a growing number of South Africans are eligible.

    Of course, Australia has a right to limit the number of refugees in the interests of economic and social costs, and to give special consideration to those whose language, culture, and abilities are more compatible to Australia. Given that very few South African's have applied, it would seem wrong-headed to turn fleeing and increasingly persecuted whites down.

    On the other hand, I am sure American sanctuary states like California would welcome them, no?
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    Re: Should Australia Grant Asylum to White South Africans Due to Violence from Blacks

    Quote Originally Posted by maxparrish View Post
    I don't recall that a maximum annual income of the victim's racial peers being a prerequisite for a humanitarian act. If Australia has a policy of giving refuge to persons displaced by systemic social violence, a growing number of South Africans are eligible.

    Of course, Australia has a right to limit the number of refugees in the interests of economic and social costs, and to give special consideration to those whose language, culture, and abilities are more compatible to Australia. Given that very few South African's have applied, it would seem wrong-headed to turn fleeing and increasingly persecuted whites down.

    On the other hand, I am sure American sanctuary states like California would welcome them, no?
    But even if Australia granted asylum for a black South African during apartheid, how would they get there wirh no money and no passport? Remember, black people forced into bantustans had their citizenship revoked and so had no means of travelling abroad.

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    Re: Should Australia Grant Asylum to White South Africans Due to Violence from Blacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Aristaeus View Post
    Are you seriously questioning who was the victim in Apartheid South Africa? Go to hell.
    Nice attitude. I'm not questioning who the victims were -- I'm making the very accurate claim that the perpetrators were mostly black.

    If you don't believe that, do a little research.

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    Re: Should Australia Grant Asylum to White South Africans Due to Violence from Blacks

    Quote Originally Posted by HowardBThiname View Post
    Nations can change their policies, but now, Australia is granting asylum to Syrians who are in fear of violence, so they should also grant asylum to white from South Africa who are in the same danger of violence.

    What happened yesterday is over. The whites dying in South Africa today should not be arbitrarily left to die because Australia did not have a policy of taking in blacks there during Apartheid. And, keep in mind that it was difficult to determine who was the victim and who was the perpetrator during Apartheid, since the vast majority of blacks were killed by other blacks. It not like they were an identifiable or at-risk group. Today, a race (whites) is actually being targeted due to the color of their skin. That's a huge difference, there.
    No, it was very easy to tell who was responsible, because the goverment was literally running death squads like these “lovely” folks

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ind...836.html%3famp

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afri...standsbeweging

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    Re: Should Australia Grant Asylum to White South Africans Due to Violence from Blacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerace117 View Post
    No, it was very easy to tell who was responsible, because the goverment was literally running death squads like these “lovely” folks

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ind...836.html%3famp

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afri...standsbeweging
    No one said whites were not at fault, I simply stated that more than 90% of the blacks killed under Apartheid were killed by other blacks. Of course, whites were also at fault.

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    Re: Should Australia Grant Asylum to White South Africans Due to Violence from Blacks

    Quote Originally Posted by HowardBThiname View Post
    No one said whites were not at fault, I simply stated that more than 90% of the blacks killed under Apartheid were killed by other blacks. Of course, whites were also at fault.
    The whites were the ones who created the entire situation in the first place. They brutally oppressed any non white South Africans

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    Re: Should Australia Grant Asylum to White South Africans Due to Violence from Blacks

    I would hope that Australia gives equal consideration to all asylum requests from South Africa regardless of the skin colour of the applicants and that Australian refugee tribunals would judge each asylum application based on its merits and not on the applicant's skin colour or racial origin.

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    Re: Should Australia Grant Asylum to White South Africans Due to Violence from Blacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerace117 View Post
    The whites were the ones who created the entire situation in the first place. They brutally oppressed any non white South Africans
    That's a "brains" vs "brawn" type argument, and while (at that time) whites were definitely in control, the death toll would have been much, much lower had blacks not taken part in killing other blacks. They were manipulated you will say, and that is correct, but the caste-like system had been in place in SA for centuries -- not just decades. It went waaaaaaay back.

    We should also keep in mind that whites were the ones who sought to end it -- F. W. de Klerk -- being the most influential.

    We can all look back and say apartheid was wrong.

    That does not, however, make the killing of whites now, right. That, too, is wrong, and white migrants seeking asylum should be treated (by a specific nation) the same as non-white migrants seeking asylum.

    That's my position. I only brought up the fact that the majority of blacks were killed by other blacks because the poster was taking the stand that the whites being targeted now shouldn't qualify for asylum. That's a nutty notion.

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    Re: Should Australia Grant Asylum to White South Africans Due to Violence from Blacks

    Quote Originally Posted by HowardBThiname View Post
    That's a "brains" vs "brawn" type argument, and while (at that time) whites were definitely in control, the death toll would have been much, much lower had blacks not taken part in killing other blacks. They were manipulated you will say, and that is correct, but the caste-like system had been in place in SA for centuries -- not just decades. It went waaaaaaay back.

    We should also keep in mind that whites were the ones who sought to end it -- F. W. de Klerk -- being the most influential.

    We can all look back and say apartheid was wrong.

    That does not, however, make the killing of whites now, right. That, too, is wrong, and white migrants seeking asylum should be treated (by a specific nation) the same as non-white migrants seeking asylum.

    That's my position. I only brought up the fact that the majority of blacks were killed by other blacks because the poster was taking the stand that the whites being targeted now shouldn't qualify for asylum. That's a nutty notion.
    Arguable at best, given that the apartheid goverment sponsored sociopaths who routinely committed atrocities, set up puppet “homelands” which calling “slums” would be an improvement, and generally got up to all sorts of nasty ****.

    No, actually, before the arrival of the colonial British power the Zulus still had more than enough strength to keep the Boers on “their land” and act as a deterrent to keep them from getting too nasty. Once they were in charge with no one to check their power well, that’s when you saw the real start of apartheid.

    Except for the fact that people like the OP have been the ones shrieking about how Syrian refugees are all secret terrorists. The irony of people evoking something they have been vehemently against to justify taking in people who, while certainly not in the best situation, are objectively far better off than the Syrians are is really quite telling.

    If one thinks that those who are being literally gassed by their own government shouldn’t be taken in, why should anyone indulge their opinion on people who, again, are objectively far safer?

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