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Massive Terror Attack in Australia Foiled, Isis to Blame

Puzzling thread. A terrorist plot was foiled, thank goodness, but the truly bad thing is starting a thread about it?
 
I'll tell you what sounds like a plan. We say there's no racism involved and we let our enforcement agencies do their jobs. We trust professionals and slough off the ramblings of knotheads. We focus on the problem so our resources aren't squandered chasing somebody's fear-induced phantasies.

News flash: They rely heavily on tips from the public to do their jobs. That means you and I have to stay on our toes and be willing to call the cops if we see something suspicious.

If 5 innocent Muslims are investigated unfairly, but the sixth turns out to be a terrorist, what do you have? You have 5 people who deserve an apology, and perhaps hundreds of innocent lives saved. Which is more important to you?
 
Any company that ran its HR Dept the way we run our immigration practices would go bankrupt within several years. If you ran your home in this way you'd lose your home. We'll lose our country eventually.


Yawn. Yet more Know-Nothing alarmism.
 
News flash: They rely heavily on tips from the public to do their jobs. That means you and I have to stay on our toes and be willing to call the cops if we see something suspicious.

If 5 innocent Muslims are investigated unfairly, but the sixth turns out to be a terrorist, what do you have? You have 5 people who deserve an apology, and perhaps hundreds of innocent lives saved. Which is more important to you?

I'm glad you're on the job. Put the tips number on speed dial and maintain alertness.
 
You encourage their excesses and spread their message while providing them with evidence of the West's hate for all Muslims, as they claim. Good job!

Opposing/condemning terrorism does not create terrorism. Justifying and excusing it might, though. What I find curious is how this "OMG, how does what we do create a bad impression of us" mentality seems to flow in only one direction. Don't terrorists and their sympathizers/supporters also contribute to the negative impression some may have of Muslims?
 
These extremists are beyond heinous. Whilst no Government can give total guarantees of safety from attacks, over time, ours has increased/instigated new precautions to keep pace with the evolving terror threat. That's obviously a good thing and does give some comfort. Their actions in this incident alone are evidence that they are working extremely hard to try and combat the threats. My expectation is that they continue to do so and continue to respond quickly and effectively as extremists develop new ways of threatening us and take action deemed necessary to address the threat.

As a result of the most recent terror threat, I still don't support rounding up all the Muslims and placing them into internment camps. I don't support a ban on Muslim Migration. The immigration officials are the experts on deciding who does or does not meet the requirements necessary. I don't hate or dehumanize all Muslims as a result of extremist actions.

That's my position.
 
Opposing/condemning terrorism does not create terrorism. Justifying and excusing it might, though. What I find curious is how this "OMG, how does what we do create a bad impression of us" mentality seems to flow in only one direction. Don't terrorists and their sympathizers/supporters also contribute to the negative impression some may have of Muslims?
Let me try to explain the post you're responding to so that you might possibly understand it.

First of all, if you read it with some more care, you'll note it holds the caveat "as they claim", they clearly being IS.

Secondly nothing in said post can possibly be understood as claiming that opposition to terrorism creates the very same.

Thirdly, the insinuation that anyone is excusing terrorism (thus also furthering it in that non-existent stance)) is blatantly absurd.

Lastly, the more people in the West create or support the stance that all Muslims (especially those among us) need be looked upon with grave suspicion to the point that they begin to think we all see them as some kind of lepers, the more resentment this will cause among them. Certainly not with all of them but who even needs there to be a few.

That is the IS game and it's played in the hope and indeed expectation that some of that resentment in some of those Muslims will make for promising recruiting ground.

If you go back to the OP and read alone the part which says It only took one massive shooting spree for Australia to ban guns, why are they still taking chances with potential Isis sympathizers? you should also realize the implicated broad brush, i.e. Muslims are potential IS sympathizers. Not some Muslims, just Muslims.

Add to that the dishonesty demonstrated by the poster often enough on here, in disingenuously starting threads like these by initially going the "thanks God the worst was foiled" road while actually having a totally different agenda to then push, and that will perhaps address your puzzlement over why threads such as these and coming from where they do,find such criticism.

They're initially a carrion feast then used to pursue a totally different agenda. He's done it often enough in the Europe forum by feasting like some vulture on actual victims (where they occurred), just so as to then go on the usual rant and, should the need occur, to even provide falsified information now and again.

When however something happens like in Hamburg a couple of days ago, where Muslims and others actually prevented a jihadist from fleeing the scene after he'd just knifed a couple of people (one dead) by beating the bastard half senseless with chairs, that thing doesn't show up on his radar. Much as it was on the international news circuit as well.
 
Just as curious, what is indeed the point in even responding to such an asinine uttering? ;)

I dunno, bored I guess. Finished what I was reading, too hot to do anything, you know how it is.
 
I dunno, bored I guess. Finished what I was reading, too hot to do anything, you know how it is.
Yeah, if I have the air-con on AND want TV running, even the neighbor 2 kms away gets to hear what I'm watching. With 40 degC here today, headphones were definitely not an option.
 
Yeah, if I have the air-con on AND want TV running, even the neighbor 2 kms away gets to hear what I'm watching. With 40 degC here today, headphones were definitely not an option.

40? I don't know how you do it. It's about 25 here and I'm sweltering. I spent a part of the afternoon down at the park, floating on my back in Georgia Strait, and I was sweating again a half-hour after I got back.
It's not even very humid here. I just can't do heat. All my ancestors came from dour, gloomy places.
 
Let me try to explain the post you're responding to so that you might possibly understand it.

First of all, if you read it with some more care, you'll note it holds the caveat "as they claim", they clearly being IS.

Secondly nothing in said post can possibly be understood as claiming that opposition to terrorism creates the very same.

Thirdly, the insinuation that anyone is excusing terrorism (thus also furthering it in that non-existent stance)) is blatantly absurd.

Lastly, the more people in the West create or support the stance that all Muslims (especially those among us) need be looked upon with grave suspicion to the point that they begin to think we all see them as some kind of lepers, the more resentment this will cause among them. Certainly not with all of them but who even needs there to be a few.

That is the IS game and it's played in the hope and indeed expectation that some of that resentment in some of those Muslims will make for promising recruiting ground.

Ok, but it's equally as possible that continually expressing just how hard and unfair it is for Muslims in the west and demonstrating more hostility toward those who are angered or concerned over Islamic terrorism than those who plan or commit it could also make for promising recruiting ground.

If you go back to the OP and read alone the part which says It only took one massive shooting spree for Australia to ban guns, why are they still taking chances with potential Isis sympathizers? you should also realize the implicated broad brush, i.e. Muslims are potential IS sympathizers. Not some Muslims, just Muslims.

When you say something is implicated or implied, it means you're having to fill in some of the blanks yourself and that could lead to errors. To be clear, something's are clearly implied and many times what's actually meant ,even if not expressly said, is obvious so I have no problem at all with you finding some other meaning or motive and you could well be right, but I read the thread title and the OP and both seemed straight forward enough to me.

Add to that the dishonesty demonstrated by the poster often enough on here, in disingenuously starting threads like these by initially going the "thanks God the worst was foiled" road while actually having a totally different agenda to then push, and that will perhaps address your puzzlement over why threads such as these and coming from where they do,find such criticism.
In my experience the vast majority of threads even touching on Islamic terrorism all inevitably contain the same deflections regardless of who starts them or why.

They're initially a carrion feast then used to pursue a totally different agenda. He's done it often enough in the Europe forum by feasting like some vulture on actual victims (where they occurred), just so as to then go on the usual rant and, should the need occur, to even provide falsified information now and again.

I spend no time in the Europe forum.

When however something happens like in Hamburg a couple of days ago, where Muslims and others actually prevented a jihadist from fleeing the scene after he'd just knifed a couple of people (one dead) by beating the bastard half senseless with chairs, that thing doesn't show up on his radar. Much as it was on the international news circuit as well.

Good for them, for real. Hadn't heard about that. That's the kind of thing that needs to happen.
 
These extremists are beyond heinous. Whilst no Government can give total guarantees of safety from attacks, over time, ours has increased/instigated new precautions to keep pace with the evolving terror threat. That's obviously a good thing and does give some comfort. Their actions in this incident alone are evidence that they are working extremely hard to try and combat the threats. My expectation is that they continue to do so and continue to respond quickly and effectively as extremists develop new ways of threatening us and take action deemed necessary to address the threat.

As a result of the most recent terror threat, I still don't support rounding up all the Muslims and placing them into internment camps. I don't support a ban on Muslim Migration. The immigration officials are the experts on deciding who does or does not meet the requirements necessary. I don't hate or dehumanize all Muslims as a result of extremist actions.

That's my position.

Good. That's my position too.
 
Ok, but it's equally as possible that continually expressing just how hard and unfair it is for Muslims in the west and demonstrating more hostility toward those who are angered or concerned over Islamic terrorism than those who plan or commit it could also make for promising recruiting ground.
Oh, no argument against any of that, I was merely trying to point out the one point that Manc was addressing.
When you say something is implicated or implied, it means you're having to fill in some of the blanks yourself and that could lead to errors. To be clear, something's are clearly implied and many times what's actually meant ,even if not expressly said, is obvious so I have no problem at all with you finding some other meaning or motive and you could well be right, but I read the thread title and the OP and both seemed straight forward enough to me.
Knowing the OP by past experience on his posting behavior and prevarications shown by the very same, helps of course. But, naturally, NObody can be expected to know EVERYone they come across and then know them at first glance.

So the thread and its OP seeming to be straightforward to you is certainly understandable, I just make the effort of pointing out that it (the thread) isn't when and where it isn't.
In my experience the vast majority of threads even touching on Islamic terrorism all inevitably contain the same deflections regardless of who starts them or why.
True enough. As well as always (least on here) being started by the same set of people.
I spend no time in the Europe forum.
Good move. I don't dabble much in anything concerning US politics either.
Good for them, for real. Hadn't heard about that. That's the kind of thing that needs to happen.
Yeah, it's like actual background to a previous headline never making the first page all that much. There have also been other instances where jihadists seeking shelter from the law in Muslim communities were actually turned over to the police. Or demonstrations by local Muslims against terrorism altogether.

Where I'd also like to see more of that sort of thing, I'm not blind to the fact that it gets far less attention where it does happen than it should.

Of course the odd stormfronter one gets on here isn't interested in acknowledging that sort of thing anyway.
 
Substitute "Muslim" with "black" or "Jewish" or any other racial or religious or ethnic background and see if your post continues to make sense.

1 of things isn't like the other.
With Jewish being an ethnicity (and a religion) and black being a race, Muslim is a follower of a set of ideas.
So are we no longer allowed to criticize beliefs and ideas?

If so, why are you even here?
 
40? I don't know how you do it. It's about 25 here and I'm sweltering. I spent a part of the afternoon down at the park, floating on my back in Georgia Strait, and I was sweating again a half-hour after I got back.
It's not even very humid here. I just can't do heat. All my ancestors came from dour, gloomy places.
Yeah, this year here is exceptional even for Southern Spain in that we rarely mentioned the term heatwave before. It's actually all along the Med. to Italy and beyond. Global scorching, I guess.

The 40s are not unusual in summer further inland from here like Cordoba and Sevilla but down here on the coast around 35 is more the usual, normally.

Some of my ancestors actually had webbed feet (or so the legend goes).
 
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