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Coronavirus did not originate in Wuhan seafood market, Chinese scientists say

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Coronavirus did not originate in Wuhan seafood market, Chinese scientists say | South China Morning Post

Analysis of genomic data from 93 samples of the novel coronavirus suggests it was imported from elsewhere

The busy market then boosted its circulation and spread it to the whole city, research shows

The novel coronavirus that has claimed the lives of more than 2,400 people did not originate at a seafood market in the central China city of Wuhan as was first thought, according to a new study by a team of Chinese scientists.

The severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) was instead imported from elsewhere, said researchers from Xishuangbanna Tropical Botanical Garden under the Chinese Academy of Sciences and the Chinese Institute for Brain Research.
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If this is a new, emerging virus, I can't see how they can come to this conclusion so quickly. Propaganda to match the Russians blaming it on the CIA? Why Wuhan & not Beijing? Coming from a fish market, it smells fishy to me.

Biological warfare is the next big step in global conflict & this could just be a test.
 
Conspiracy theories is a few floors down, driven home by the idea that we should trust anything China says.
 
JacksinPA said:
Coronavirus did not originate in Wuhan seafood market, Chinese scientists say | South China Morning Post

Analysis of genomic data from 93 samples of the novel coronavirus suggests it was imported from elsewhere

The busy market then boosted its circulation and spread it to the whole city, research shows

The novel coronavirus that has claimed the lives of more than 2,400 people did not originate at a seafood market in the central China city of Wuhan as was first thought, according to a new study by a team of Chinese scientists.

The severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) was instead imported from elsewhere, said researchers from Xishuangbanna Tropical Botanical Garden under the Chinese Academy of Sciences and the Chinese Institute for Brain Research.
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If this is a new, emerging virus, I can't see how they can come to this conclusion so quickly. Propaganda to match the Russians blaming it on the CIA? Why Wuhan & not Beijing? Coming from a fish market, it smells fishy to me.

Biological warfare is the next big step in global conflict & this could just be a test.
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Let's get serious here. The Chinese Academy of Science is regulated by the Ministry of Science & Technology, which is a direct arm of the Chinese Communist Party. Of course this report is bull****.
 
OrphanSlug said:
Conspiracy theories is a few floors down, driven home by the idea that we should trust anything China says.
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Yup. The Chinese are using misinformation to cover up their incompetence.
 
It don't trust any of those sumbitches. I don't trust the way my government has handled it so far. At what point - if the virus looks more like a pandemic - does the US advise taking precautions that could be harmful to the US economy? Will they wait too long, suggest too little, in favor of corporate profits over citizen safety? The current administration is not known to put the needs of citizens above corporate profit. And how decimated are the learned professional staff at the NHS, CDC and other important government agencies? Do we have all the best and brightest working on projections, preventions and planning? Experience cautions us that the current administration may drop the ball along the way. Proper planning and response for domestic situations is decidedly not a strong point of the current administration.

I'm calling the virus "Corona Unknowna".
 
JacksinPA said:
Analysis of genomic data from 93 samples of the novel coronavirus suggests it was imported from elsewhere. The busy market then boosted its circulation and spread it to the whole city, research shows. The novel coronavirus that has claimed the lives of more than 2,400 people did not originate at a seafood market in the central China city of Wuhan as was first thought, according to a new study by a team of Chinese scientists. The severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) was instead imported from elsewhere, said researchers from Xishuangbanna Tropical Botanical Garden under the Chinese Academy of Sciences and the Chinese Institute for Brain Research.
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If this is a new, emerging virus, I can't see how they can come to this conclusion so quickly. Propaganda to match the Russians blaming it on the CIA? Why Wuhan & not Beijing? Coming from a fish market, it smells fishy to me. Biological warfare is the next big step in global conflict & this could just be a test.
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No nation wants to be 'patient zero' of a deadly epidemic, though bear in mind this virus is only deadly to the very young or old- pretty crappy weapon if you ask me... :roll:

Remember the Spanish Influenza of 1919??? (It started in stateside basic training camps among GI's and went to Europe with them, but 'we' didn't want the blame for so many deaths now did we???)

If you believe in Darwinism then you have to believe evolution does exist, even for viruses. Every year we face a new strain of flu- are they being created by some research lab? Big Pharma creating new strains every year to keep the bills paid, the corporate lights on???? :confused:

Or is evolution in viruses a bit faster than apes coming down from the trees?

Why does flu change every year and the mumps stay relatively stable?

Just an FYI, the market wasn't just fish, but meat and wild animals so it is a bit of deflection to just say 'fish' market.

But China is in some ways still back in the 19th century when it comes to comprehensive veterinary care. There is a swine flu ravaging Chinese swine. African swine flu- 100% fatal to pigs and there is no vaccine.

While a severe form of flu is a concern for us, this flu that could wipe out so important a food source for a growing China is by far the biggest threat.

But I guess some can see the 'logic' in a secret gubmint lab cranking out this flu- after all most of these believers don't think any gubmint organization can get anything right so producing a 'deadly' virus that doesn't take out the biggest threat- able bodied, younger adults- is pretty pucked up and about their speed... ;)

Yeah a gubmint lab created 'killer' virus that can only take out the weakest among us... :peace
 
Risky Thicket said:
It don't trust any of those sumbitches. I don't trust the way my government has handled it so far. At what point - if the virus looks more like a pandemic - does the US advise taking precautions that could be harmful to the US economy? Will they wait too long, suggest too little, in favor of corporate profits over citizen safety? The current administration is not known to put the needs of citizens above corporate profit. And how decimated are the learned professional staff at the NHS, CDC and other important government agencies? Do we have all the best and brightest working on projections, preventions and planning? Experience cautions us that the current administration may drop the ball along the way. Proper planning and response for domestic situations is decidedly not a strong point of the current administration.

I'm calling the virus "Corona Unknowna".
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Yep. We can decry the CCP/Chinese Government's misinformation, but we've got to realize the Trump administration isn't all that different. And I don't say that lightly, nor is it flippant hyperbole on my part.
 
Trump has neither the brains or the motivation to piss off his buddy Xi. He has no understanding of this plague & it's long term effects & has fired all those who do. And he has cut back on or scientific staffs who might be able to do something about it.
 
This is an interesting take:
The coronavirus may have leaked from a lab

In the long term we need to know, but this information will not help us do what we need to do now, which is save lives. I do know that we have got to stop shutting down all heretical views as conspiracy theory, that idea might have had validity once but now all it is is the labeling "garbage" of all ideas power does not want talked about.
 
JacksinPA said:
Coronavirus did not originate in Wuhan seafood market, Chinese scientists say | South China Morning Post

Analysis of genomic data from 93 samples of the novel coronavirus suggests it was imported from elsewhere

The busy market then boosted its circulation and spread it to the whole city, research shows

The novel coronavirus that has claimed the lives of more than 2,400 people did not originate at a seafood market in the central China city of Wuhan as was first thought, according to a new study by a team of Chinese scientists.

The severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) was instead imported from elsewhere, said researchers from Xishuangbanna Tropical Botanical Garden under the Chinese Academy of Sciences and the Chinese Institute for Brain Research.
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If this is a new, emerging virus, I can't see how they can come to this conclusion so quickly. Propaganda to match the Russians blaming it on the CIA? Why Wuhan & not Beijing? Coming from a fish market, it smells fishy to me.

Biological warfare is the next big step in global conflict & this could just be a test.
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Odd. I keep getting a blank page with the South China Morning Post header in the upper left of the page. Nothing else.

So I am operating on what you have quoted. The statement that the Wuhan fish market originally associated with the first occurrences of the Covid-19 virus may not be sinister at all. It just means that infected persons or material spread the disease from that spefic location but that another location within Hubei Province or China may be the point of origin. As the authorities track back the infection's trajectory to its source we may learn more. The international medical community will be watching China very closely and will be scrutinising all the data carefully, making fraud difficult and therefore unlikely. This may be the result of ignorance of the first stages of this viral infection which are only being discovered now, and not the product of some sinister hidden agenda.

The idea that this may be some sort of biological warfare related event, in the absence of any real evidence of that possibility, is just irresponsible speculation which could adversely affect the containment of this virus by creating distrust and conflict between the states trying to shut this outbreak down. That's not cool.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
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Evilroddy said:
Odd. I keep getting a blank page with the South China Morning Post header in the upper left of the page. Nothing else.

So I am operating on what you have quoted. The statement that the Wuhan fish market originally associated with the first occurrences of the Covid-19 virus may not be sinister at all. It just means that infected persons or material spread the disease from that spefic location but that another location within Hubei Privince or China may be the point of origin. As the authorities track back the infection trajectory to its source we may learn more. The international medical community will be watch China and the data carefully, making fraud difficult and therefore unlikely.

The idea that this may be some sort of biological warfare related event in the absence of any real evidence is just irresponsible speculation which could adversely affect the containment of this virus by creating distrust and conflict between the states trying to shut this outbreak down. That's not cool.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
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"The idea that this may be some sort of biological warfare related event in the absence of any real evidence is just irresponsible speculation which could adversely affect the containment of this virus by creating distrust and conflict between the states trying to shut this outbreak down. That's not cool."

Bull...that is nothing but a flimsy excuse for shutting down decent....30 seconds of thinking should do the trick.
 
Often seen from the DIE Religion (Diversity/Inclusion/Equity) propagandizers: "Even more dangerous then the spreading virus is the spreading racism and xenophobia"


BARF
 
Hawkeye10 said:
"The idea that this may be some sort of biological warfare related event in the absence of any real evidence is just irresponsible speculation which could adversely affect the containment of this virus by creating distrust and conflict between the states trying to shut this outbreak down. That's not cool."

Bull...that is nothing but a flimsy excuse for shutting down decent....30 seconds of thinking should do the trick.
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Hawkeye10:

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What do you mean? How is tracking the Covid-19 virus back to its origin the suppressing of dissent and what evidence is there that this is anything but a natural viral outbreak like the SARS or MRSA outbreaks were? Is there any evidence supporting this irresponsible speculation? If so, then bring it forward. How is calling irresponsible speculation, unsubstantiated by any factual data, suppressing dissent? You've lost me.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
JacksinPA said:
Coronavirus did not originate in Wuhan seafood market, Chinese scientists say | South China Morning Post

Analysis of genomic data from 93 samples of the novel coronavirus suggests it was imported from elsewhere

The busy market then boosted its circulation and spread it to the whole city, research shows

The novel coronavirus that has claimed the lives of more than 2,400 people did not originate at a seafood market in the central China city of Wuhan as was first thought, according to a new study by a team of Chinese scientists.

The severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) was instead imported from elsewhere, said researchers from Xishuangbanna Tropical Botanical Garden under the Chinese Academy of Sciences and the Chinese Institute for Brain Research.
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If this is a new, emerging virus, I can't see how they can come to this conclusion so quickly. Propaganda to match the Russians blaming it on the CIA? Why Wuhan & not Beijing? Coming from a fish market, it smells fishy to me.

Biological warfare is the next big step in global conflict & this could just be a test.
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Could have come from a fish nibbling off Fuskashima. Who the hell knows.
 
Evilroddy said:
Odd. I keep getting a blank page with the South China Morning Post header in the upper left of the page. Nothing else.

So I am operating on what you have quoted. The statement that the Wuhan fish market originally associated with the first occurrences of the Covid-19 virus may not be sinister at all. It just means that infected persons or material spread the disease from that spefic location but that another location within Hubei Province or China may be the point of origin. As the authorities track back the infection's trajectory to its source we may learn more. The international medical community will be watching China very closely and will be scrutinising all the data carefully, making fraud difficult and therefore unlikely. This may be the result of ignorance of the first stages of this viral infection which are only being discovered now, and not the product of some sinister hidden agenda.

The idea that this may be some sort of biological warfare related event, in the absence of any real evidence of that possibility, is just irresponsible speculation which could adversely affect the containment of this virus by creating distrust and conflict between the states trying to shut this outbreak down. That's not cool.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
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FYI - The link works fine for me.
 
PoS said:
Yup. The Chinese are using misinformation to cover up their incompetence.
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That is just it.

We see it time and time again where someone will cherry-pick a story and all of a sudden trust China, when the other 99% of the time they are more skeptical than I am of *anything* China says.

Political opportunism, complete ignorance on the part of the OP, uselessness, take your pick.
 
China says it didn't originate there?

Uh huh. And Captain Trips "does...not...exist!"
 
It's evident that it wasn't generated in a sea-food market. China constantly ignores safety regulations, and because of it, there happened some leaks in a laboratory. That laboratory had already been warned several times by the time the outbreak happened.
 


The coronavirus originated from wild bats and some intermediaries are responsible for spreading the virus. It is most likely that a meat shop at the seafood market, where bats were butchered, is responsible for spreading the virus. Because the market was full of these people who had close contacts with infected wild animals which carried the virus, it was natural that some of them were infected with the virus, while the initial infection could have happened elsewhere in Wuhan. As the first identified infected patients had no link to the market, it is possible that infected humans transmitted SARS-CoV-2 to workers or sellers in the market, after which it rapidly circulated there. The crowded market boosted SARS-CoV-2 transmissions to buyers and spread it to the whole city in early December 2019.

Background. The outbreak of COVID-19 started in mid-December 2019 in Wuhan, Central China. Up to February 18, 2020, SARS-CoV-2 has infected more than 70,000 people in China, and another 25 countries across five continents. In this study, we used 93 complete genomes of SARS-CoV-2 from the GISAID EpiFluTM database to decode the evolution and human-to-human transmissions of SARS-CoV-2 in the recent two months. Methods. Alignment of coding-regions was conducted haplotype analyses using DnaSP. Substitution sites were analyzed in codon. Evolutionary analysis of haplotypes used NETWORK. Population size changes were estimated using both DnaSP and Arlequin. Expansion date of population size was calculated based on the expansion parameter tau (τ) using the formula t=τ/2u. Findings. Eight coding-regions have 120 substitution sites, including 79 non-synonymous and 40 synonymous substitutions. Forty-two non-synonymous substitutions changed the biochemical property of amino acids. No evident combination was found. Fifty-eight haplotypes were classified as five groups, and 31 haplotypes were found in samples from both China and other countries, respectively. The rooted network suggested H13 and H35 to be ancestral haplotypes, and H1 (and its descendent haplotypes including all samples from the Hua Nan market) was derived H3 haplotype. Population size of SARS-CoV-2 were estimated to have a recent expansion on 6 January 2020, and an early expansion on 8 December 2019. Interpretation. Genomic variations of SARS-CoV-2 are still low in comparisons with published genomes of SARS-CoV and MERS-CoV. Phyloepidemiologic analyses indicated the SARS-CoV-2 source at the Hua Nan market should be imported from other places. The crowded market boosted SARS-CoV-2 rapid circulations in the market and spread it to the whole city in early December 2019. Furthermore, phyloepidemiologic approaches have recovered specific direction of human-to-human transmissions, and the import sources of international infectious cases.
(PDF) Decoding evolution and transmissions of novel pneumonia coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2) using the whole genomic data
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The people we should be blaming are those who insist on trading and killing off wild life for profit. What's the point of hunting, capturing and killing the most exotic animal you can find if it can breed diseases that kills us when it mixes with those we already have.

Probably best to ban the practice on a global stage too while we're at it.

I'll be okay. Promise. Not killing grizzlies, pangolins and snakes for my budding fur and moccasins business will be tough, but I think I'll be okay. I say 50 years for anyone caught trading in or killing wild animals.



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