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Trump to sign phase one trade deal with China, announces planned trip to Beijing

Drawdown said:
They are not people whose problems keep me up at night, but they will certainly suffer the consequences along with everybody else if we do not make environmental concerns a major component in our trade policies. .
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Fletch said:
And how do you propose getting China to go along with that?
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While the US must naturally require environmental action in any deal it makes with developing countries such as the CCP-PRC economy the current primitive attitudes of the White House toward the environment can be overlooked somewhat concerning Beijing.

It was back in 2010 the then president of the CCP-PRC Hu Jintao had to get the Politburo and Central Committee that runs the government to allow the prolific spontaneous and unauthorized public demonstrations that had been occurring throughout developed China that to the present demand environmental cleanup and immediate action. Because of public widespread demand Beijing is on it big time to clean up its grotesquely fouled land, air, water because the population is furious about it.

It's grim when at high noon you in your city can't see the sun through the black air that you have to breathe. Every drop of water needs to be boiled or else to you and your family. Arable land is down to something like 8% percent last time I looked just a while ago.

In my working and living in the CCP-PRC I see environmental projects everywhere I go. I get introduced to so and so Yuppie guy or gal who's working on this or that environmental project to include the one going on a couple of blocks up the road.

The US in every deal and agreement it makes with the CCP-PRC should be complementing this big time too but it's not and it never does when a Republican is Potus. It always does this when a Democrat is Potus. This seems to be a law of nature in USA politics and government.
 
Fletch said:
I see, and if democrats win in 2020 there will be a phase 2 and 3?
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In one form or another, yes.

Congress has always been on China's case since 1949 and this has been so regardless of party. Since Nixon-Kissinger however the Potus has always sat on Congress in the interest of the big bucks provided by the 500 million in China who are the Chinese market for US corporations. Potus and US corporations have surrounded Congress and hogtied 'em for the longest time on China trade and big bucks.

Now Trump who has always hated China per se has upended this. Congress the past few years and now with Xinjiang and Hong Kong has risen up to go after 'em in Beijing. Trump is himself more than pleased to tickle Congress into passing new laws concerning Taiwan to include this year's $13 billion military package that provides a swarm of Abrams tanks to Taiwan as a deterrent to the increasing fever in Beijing to invade in this decade, by 2025 is Xi's preference.

It's no matter whether we're talking Democrats or Republicans in Congress or which party has the majority. The long pent up Congress is emboldened by Trump and it believes it has a clear path from here forward to screw Beijing. Whether it might be Biden in the WH or another D, the dayze of Potus, US corporations and the MSM controlling the Beijing agenda of room service by the USA are done.
 
Grand Mal said:
China doesn't do mutual benefit. China does what's good for China. If you think Trump can outnegotiate the Chinese you've been drinking the concentrate the Kool-Aid is made from.
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China pretends to negotiate, then break trade agreements whenever they want. Always have, always will. It's why America is close to being a service industry only country. Doesn't matter who is president.
 
holbritter said:
China pretends to negotiate, then break trade agreements whenever they want. Always have, always will. It's why America is close to being a service industry only country. Doesn't matter who is president.
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True that.
America breaks trade agreements too, whenever they want. Trump ditched the TPP as soon as he was sworn in and when he decided he didn't like NAFTA he just declared it null and void and slapped trade tariffs on Canada and Mexico. With a free trade agreement in place he applied tariffs. How can anyone enter into an agreement with the USA when the next President might just trashcan it? Not worth the paper it's written on, an agreement with America.
 
Grand Mal said:
True that.
America breaks trade agreements too, whenever they want. Trump ditched the TPP as soon as he was sworn in and when he decided he didn't like NAFTA he just declared it null and void and slapped trade tariffs on Canada and Mexico. With a free trade agreement in place he applied tariffs. How can anyone enter into an agreement with the USA when the next President might just trashcan it? Not worth the paper it's written on, an agreement with America.
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America doesn't illegally break them. They don't 'dump' their goods to deliberately undercut the local manufacturers, even at a loss, in order to force competition out of business. That's the dishonest trade practice China consistently practice, that I'm referring to. That and their habit of lying about what's in their products, exporting their goods knowing they contain prohibited ingredients/parts. And when we ban a product from them, they just go through another country to get them here.
 
Fletch said:
And the consequences of that action on our economy would be what?
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No different than the consequences of other nations that cut off our access to their markets for our products.
 
Tangmo said:
While the US must naturally require environmental action in any deal it makes with developing countries such as the CCP-PRC economy the current primitive attitudes of the White House toward the environment can be overlooked somewhat concerning Beijing.

It was back in 2010 the then president of the CCP-PRC Hu Jintao had to get the Politburo and Central Committee that runs the government to allow the prolific spontaneous and unauthorized public demonstrations that had been occurring throughout developed China that to the present demand environmental cleanup and immediate action. Because of public widespread demand Beijing is on it big time to clean up its grotesquely fouled land, air, water because the population is furious about it.

It's grim when at high noon you in your city can't see the sun through the black air that you have to breathe. Every drop of water needs to be boiled or else to you and your family. Arable land is down to something like 8% percent last time I looked just a while ago.

In my working and living in the CCP-PRC I see environmental projects everywhere I go. I get introduced to so and so Yuppie guy or gal who's working on this or that environmental project to include the one going on a couple of blocks up the road.

The US in every deal and agreement it makes with the CCP-PRC should be complementing this big time too but it's not and it never does when a Republican is Potus. It always does this when a Democrat is Potus. This seems to be a law of nature in USA politics and government.
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Even in terms of pure economics, failing to have environmental safeguards as part of trade cooks in a competitive advantage for other countries over the US.
 
holbritter said:
America doesn't illegally break them. They don't 'dump' their goods to deliberately undercut the local manufacturers, even at a loss, in order to force competition out of business. That's the dishonest trade practice China consistently practice, that I'm referring to. That and their habit of lying about what's in their products, exporting their goods knowing they contain prohibited ingredients/parts. And when we ban a product from them, they just go through another country to get them here.
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Putting tariffs on Canadian steel and aluminum when you have a free-trade agreement in place is absolutely illegal. It's the sort of thing that makes America untrustworthy. Not just trade- Trump backed out of agreements signed by Obama with nothing more than an executive order. How can anyone trust the USA when a new President means all deals are off and you start over again?
 
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