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Ringo Stalin said:
When all your life you have received tricky information, it is not surprising that you do not accept the truth

Douglas MacDonald, a lecturer at the University of Alberta in Canada, called the Holodomor in Ukraine a Nazi invention, reports CTV News.
He said that the genocide was a lie perpetuated by fake photos, and that the former Nazis spread these lies in order to discredit the USSR. Descendants of ukrainian nazis, who fled to Canada, protest.
University lecturer denies Ukrainian genocide, sparking calls for dismissal | CTV News
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And he’s full of crap, because the Holodomor certainly did happen. There is extensively historical documentation of the Soviets’ malignant activity in the Ukraine.

There is no evidence that it was a “Nazi lie”; people were dying long before the launch of Barbarossa.
 
Tigerace117 said:
And he’s full of crap, because the Holodomor certainly did happen. .
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There was a famine, there was no "Holodomor". When Goebbels's followers say "The Holodomor," they mean that the central government in Moscow deliberately organized and supported the famine in Ukraine. This is crap, of course. This creation of Goebbels' ministry, like Katyn, (Understandable, as they say - Biggest lies about hunting and war, anything possible to say about enemy) was supported and spread by the Nazi collaborators from Ukraine, who fled to Canada after the war. This lie came from there in the late 80s and was widely spread during the general campaign of lies about Soviet history. And the western audience is capable of believing in anything... raised that way, as long as they hear it from TV.
 
Ringo Stalin said:
There was a famine, there was no "Holodomor". When Goebbels's followers say "The Holodomor," they mean that the central government in Moscow deliberately organized and supported the famine in Ukraine. This is crap, of course. This creation of Goebbels' ministry, like Katyn, (Understandable, as they say - Biggest lies about hunting and war, anything possible to say about enemy) was supported and spread by the Nazi collaborators from Ukraine, who fled to Canada after the war. This lie came from there in the late 80s and was widely spread during the general campaign of lies about Soviet history. And the western audience is capable of believing in anything... raised that way, as long as they hear it from TV.
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The Soviet central authority absolutely did hinder any attempt to respond to the famine deliberately. That is a fact. There is an abundance of historical information which shows that Stalin and his flunkies are guilty of at least negligence, if not out and out genocide.

Again, there is zero evidence that Katyn was “an invention of Goebbels”.

Meanwhile the Stalinist system believed that Germany would remain friendly to them, even as German tanks massed, because Stalin refused to believe the information he got from his own agents
 
Tigerace117 said:
The Soviet central authority absolutely did hinder any attempt to respond to the famine deliberately. That is a fact. There is an abundance of historical information which shows that Stalin and his flunkies are guilty of at least negligence, if not out and out genocide.

Again, there is zero evidence that Katyn was “an invention of Goebbels”.

Meanwhile the Stalinist system believed that Germany would remain friendly to them, even as German tanks massed, because Stalin refused to believe the information he got from his own agents
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Holodomor Hoax : Joseph Stalin’s Crime That Never Took Place | tribune marxiste-leniniste

Use internet translation, to read this: Скучная правда Катыни - Игорь Пыхалов — LiveJournal

'...What really happened to the Polish prisoners of war from the camps near Smolensk?

According to the materials of the “Burdenko Commission”, the latest witness testimonies and transcripts of the Nuremberg trials, their fate can be established with a high degree of probability.

The Germans came to Smolensk three weeks after the start of the war. In the bustle of evacuation, the camp administration did not give cars to take the prisoners out, but they did not want to walk. In general, according to the NKVD informants, the Poles treated the Germans with much more sympathy than the Russians. The protection of the camps and some of the prisoners (mostly Jews) went east, the rest went to the Germans.

In August 1941, five kilometers from Katyn, the construction of the headquarters of Army Group Center began. Usually, during the construction of secret facilities, the Germans used prisoners, who were then destroyed. And since they had at their disposal ready-made working teams of the Polish camps, much more loyal to the Germans than the Russian prisoners, then using them for such an important construction made direct sense. After the completion of construction work, the Poles were taken to the Katyn forest and shot. There is nothing particularly outstanding in this; the Germans practiced this method throughout the war.

Another thing is that you will not surprise anyone with this story either in Strasbourg or elsewhere. You can’t make films about her, you won’t sing songs and you won’t write books, because there is no dramatic effect, and there’s nothing to be proud of. And I want, probably ..."
 
Ringo Stalin said:
Holodomor Hoax : Joseph Stalin’s Crime That Never Took Place | tribune marxiste-leniniste

Use internet translation, to read this: Скучная правда Катыни - Игорь Пыхалов — LiveJournal

'...What really happened to the Polish prisoners of war from the camps near Smolensk?

According to the materials of the “Burdenko Commission”, the latest witness testimonies and transcripts of the Nuremberg trials, their fate can be established with a high degree of probability.

The Germans came to Smolensk three weeks after the start of the war. In the bustle of evacuation, the camp administration did not give cars to take the prisoners out, but they did not want to walk. In general, according to the NKVD informants, the Poles treated the Germans with much more sympathy than the Russians. The protection of the camps and some of the prisoners (mostly Jews) went east, the rest went to the Germans.

In August 1941, five kilometers from Katyn, the construction of the headquarters of Army Group Center began. Usually, during the construction of secret facilities, the Germans used prisoners, who were then destroyed. And since they had at their disposal ready-made working teams of the Polish camps, much more loyal to the Germans than the Russian prisoners, then using them for such an important construction made direct sense. After the completion of construction work, the Poles were taken to the Katyn forest and shot. There is nothing particularly outstanding in this; the Germans practiced this method throughout the war.

Another thing is that you will not surprise anyone with this story either in Strasbourg or elsewhere. You can’t make films about her, you won’t sing songs and you won’t write books, because there is no dramatic effect, and there’s nothing to be proud of. And I want, probably ..."
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Except the prisoners were by and large already dead by th3 time the Germans rolled into the USSR

“ On 5 March 1940, pursuant to a note to Joseph Stalin from Beria, six members of the Soviet Politburo — Stalin, Vyacheslav Molotov, Lazar Kaganovich, Kliment Voroshilov, Anastas Mikoyan, and Mikhail Kalinin — signed an order to execute 25,700 Polish "nationalists and counterrevolutionaries" kept at camps and prisons in occupied western Ukraine and Belarus.[27][c] The reason for the massacre, according to the historian Gerhard Weinberg, was that Stalin wanted to deprive a potential future Polish military of a large portion of its talent:
It has been suggested that the motive for this terrible step [the Katyn massacre] was to reassure the Germans as to the reality of Soviet anti-Polish policy. This explanation is completely unconvincing in view of the care with which the Soviet regime kept the massacre secret from the very German government it was supposed to impress. […] A more likely explanation is that [the massacre] should be seen as looking forward to a future in which there might again be a Poland on the Soviet Union's western border. Since he intended to keep the eastern portion of the country in any case, Stalin could be certain that any revived Poland would be unfriendly. Under those circumstances, depriving it of a large proportion of its military and technical elite would make it weaker.[28]

The Soviet leadership, and Stalin in particular, viewed the Polish prisoners as a "problem" as they might resist being under Soviet rule. Therefore, they decided the prisoners inside the "special camps" were to be shot as "avowed enemies of Soviet authority".”

The Polish prisoners who had been captured after the Germans had brutally invaded their country certainly would not have expressed sympathy fo4 the Germans—that is some of the most blatant bull**** in your “argument”.

Funnily enough, in post war Poland all mention of the atrocity was covered up.....which one would not have done if the Germans had actually been responsible

“ In Poland, the pro-Soviet authorities following the Soviet occupation after the war covered up the matter in accordance with the official Soviet propaganda line, deliberately censoring any sources that might provide information about the crime. Katyn was a forbidden topic in postwar Poland. Censorship in the Polish People's Republic was a massive undertaking and Katyn was specifically mentioned in the "Black Book of Censorship" used by the authorities to control the media and academia. Not only did government censorship suppress all references to it, but even mentioning the atrocity was dangerous.”

Katyn massacre - Wikipedia
 
Tigerace117 said:
The Soviet leadership, and Stalin in particular, viewed the Polish prisoners as a "problem" as they might resist being under Soviet rule. Therefore, they decided the prisoners inside the "special camps" were to be shot as "avowed enemies of Soviet authority".”

The Polish prisoners who had been captured after the Germans had brutally invaded their country certainly would not have expressed sympathy fo4 the Germans—that is some of the most blatant bull**** in your “argument”.
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Many of the “documents” were concocted after the anti-Soviet coup in 1990. Many of these pieces of paper were exposed as fakes. It’s just that the current Russian government is the heirs of those traitors who destroyed the people-state built with such difficulty. That is why does not hear governmet protests about the Nazi fake, it serves its role - justifying their betrayal.
Regarding the fact that Stalin saw a problem in Polish prisoners of war, do you know about the Polish army created on Soviet territory? They were dressed, shod and armed with Soviet weapons. Where is the vision of the "problem" here?
As for the "brutal invasion", you probably do not know that in the process of the Polish-Soviet war of 1920, Poland, using the weakness of Russia due to the civil war, seized the lands of Western Ukraine and Belarus. In 1939, an act of justice occurred. The Red Army entered these territories only after the Polish government fled the country, giving its country to the mercy of the Germans. Or maybe you prefer that the territory returned to the USSR would go to the Nazis? By the way, Neither England, nor France, nor the United States considered the actions of the USSR in relation to Poland as aggression. England and France declared war on Germany over Poland, but not on the USSR. Why would that be? All this crap surfaced during the Cold War as a propaganda weapon against USSR. "Lie as much as possible, something will stick", and in countries, where the press belongs to the capitalists, everything they came up with will stick
 
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Ringo Stalin said:
Many of the “documents” were concocted after the anti-Soviet coup in 1990. Many of these pieces of paper were exposed as fakes. It’s just that the current Russian government is the heirs of those traitors who destroyed the people-state built with such difficulty. That is why does not hear governmet protests about the Nazi fake, it serves its role - justifying their betrayal.
Regarding the fact that Stalin saw a problem in Polish prisoners of war, do you know about the Polish army created on Soviet territory? They were dressed, shod and armed with Soviet weapons. Where is the vision of the "problem" here?
As for the "brutal invasion", you probably do not know that in the process of the Polish-Soviet war of 1920, Poland, using the weakness of Russia due to the civil war, seized the lands of Western Ukraine and Belarus. In 1939, an act of justice occurred. The Red Army entered these territories only after the Polish government fled the country, giving its country to the mercy of the Germans. Or maybe you prefer that the territory returned to the USSR would go to the Nazis? By the way, Neither England, nor France, nor the United States considered the actions of the USSR in relation to Poland as aggression. England and France declared war on Germany over Poland, but not on the USSR. Why would that be? All this crap surfaced during the Cold War as a propaganda weapon against USSR. "Lie as much as possible, something will stick", and in countries, where the press belongs to the capitalists, everything they came up with will stick
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What a delusional load of crap. Again, it is not Gorbachev’s fault Stalin and his cronies created a system so badly flawed that it was only.a matter of time before it collapsed under its own weight. There is absolutely zero evidence that any of the documentation was “created in the 1990s” by the way.

The current Russian government is literally run by a former KGB officer. If any of your claims were actually true they would be trumpeting it all over the place. But they aren’t....because your claims are bad jokes.

Yep, Stalin murdered those he saw as problematic and created a puppet regime out of those he knew he could control.....just like he had done numerous times before.

“Act of justice” so assisting the Nazis in their invasions is an “act of justice” now?

England and France declared didn’t declare war on the USSR—although they certainly thought about it and planned for it—because they knew they couldn’t fight both at the same time.

Stalin was literally a pathological liar who nearly got his own country conquered by the Nazis because he murdered anyone who had a clue what they were doing in the military command to soothe his paranoia and then ignored every warning that gee, the Nazis couldn’t be trusted.
 
Ringo Stalin said:
You should read this book inspite rats in academia call him a lier:
Khrushchev Lied by Grover Furr
Or at least you can listen. Can do you good:
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Grover Furr is not even remotely credible as a historian, and is a pathological liar to boot. There is zero reason to believe his—and your conspiracy theories, especially considering how they run contrary to literally every piece of historical evidence that’s out there. There is a reason Khrushchev literally launched a major campaign to undo every one of Stalin’s policies possible.

Furr literally tried to claim the people Stalin had killed to indulge his paranoia were guilty. That alone should tell you how laughably unreliable he is as a source.

Hell, he didn’t even just defend Stalin, he defended Beria too—and Beria was a sociopathic rapist who abused innumerable people during his time in power. Stalin literally was terrified of the thought of his daughter being alone with him.
 
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Tigerace117 said:
Grover Furr is not even remotely credible as a historian, and is a pathological liar to boot. .
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I see... You don't want to learn? you are not able to learn. And I don’t care, is it because you are completely zombified by life-long lying propaganda, or you retell this lie because you are financially interested in maintaining a dirty lie, which, I repeat, basically originated in the Goebbels Ministry of Propaganda, in any case you carry lying nonsense and are incapable see the truth and do not want to see it. Nothing to talk about.
 
USSR was bad, Stalin was a monster but as to the thread title
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Ringo Stalin said:
I see... You don't want to learn? you are not able to learn. And I don’t care, is it because you are completely zombified by life-long lying propaganda, or you retell this lie because you are financially interested in maintaining a dirty lie, which, I repeat, basically originated in the Goebbels Ministry of Propaganda, in any case you carry lying nonsense and are incapable see the truth and do not want to see it. Nothing to talk about.
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The only thing one “learns” from Grover Furr is what utter bull**** Stalinists expect us to believe. Furr literally tried to claim the Moscow show trial victims actually committed the crimes they were accused of. That is a level of dishonesty and downright ignorance far beyond mere stupidity.

Except it didn’t “originate in Nazi Germany” and there is no actual evidence to support the rather laughably weak claim that it did.

So in other words you are throwing a tantrum because I’m not buying the bull**** you are spewing. Noted.
 
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