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Now, NBA aside, I want to talk about, in general, the power dynamic between China and the United freaking States of America. I bring this up because Apple recently region locked the Taiwan flag emoji from their phones located in Hong Kong and Macau. In addition, gaming company Blizzard recently banned a professional e-sports player for a year for speaking his opinion on the Hong Kong matters. Now, I’m aware that we live in a capitalist society and I know that losing China can very well mean losing billions of dollars for these technology giants.

But what does the removal of an emoji that represents a democratic country in order to appease a tyrannical government that has killed and sent millions of people to concentration camps (rebranded as re-education camps) say about us as a nation? What does it say about the power dynamic between China and the United States? Don’t worry, I’ll answer that for you.

It says that we cast all of that aside if the price tag is big enough. Imagine that, a country built on ideals and technological innovation, throwing away morals and integrity to see some numbers go up. Now, I wouldn’t know what it is like being tempted with billions of dollars so who am I to judge those that are put to that test? But what I do know how much blood and sacrifice it cost in order for me to live a decent life here in the States. For me to have freedom of speech and expression. For me to be able to vote. For me to have a great go at life.

People around the world don’t have that same luxury and there are people are still fighting for that. Hong Kongers have been protesting since June! It is up to us, as the arbiters of the free world, to inspire people to fight for the very same luxuries and they should know that we will be there to support them on their path to freedom. Because if we don’t, then haven’t we all sold out and given up on our own history?

I am positive that we won’t and we can begin by supporting Hong Kong.
 
Yes, capitalism rules everything around us.

Being willing to compromise principle for money means we collectively have no principles.
 
Oh I can't really support these people on this issue since it all started because Hong Kong simply wanted to change their laws to allow them the ability to extradite a man to Taiwan to face charges for the fairly disgusting murder of his girlfriend.
 
bedsidewithben said:
Now, NBA aside, I want to talk about, in general, the power dynamic between China and the United freaking States of America. I bring this up because Apple recently region locked the Taiwan flag emoji from their phones located in Hong Kong and Macau. In addition, gaming company Blizzard recently banned a professional e-sports player for a year for speaking his opinion on the Hong Kong matters. Now, I’m aware that we live in a capitalist society and I know that losing China can very well mean losing billions of dollars for these technology giants.

But what does the removal of an emoji that represents a democratic country in order to appease a tyrannical government that has killed and sent millions of people to concentration camps (rebranded as re-education camps) say about us as a nation? What does it say about the power dynamic between China and the United States? Don’t worry, I’ll answer that for you.

It says that we cast all of that aside if the price tag is big enough. Imagine that, a country built on ideals and technological innovation, throwing away morals and integrity to see some numbers go up. Now, I wouldn’t know what it is like being tempted with billions of dollars so who am I to judge those that are put to that test? But what I do know how much blood and sacrifice it cost in order for me to live a decent life here in the States. For me to have freedom of speech and expression. For me to be able to vote. For me to have a great go at life.

People around the world don’t have that same luxury and there are people are still fighting for that. Hong Kongers have been protesting since June! It is up to us, as the arbiters of the free world, to inspire people to fight for the very same luxuries and they should know that we will be there to support them on their path to freedom. Because if we don’t, then haven’t we all sold out and given up on our own history?

I am positive that we won’t and we can begin by supporting Hong Kong.
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This doesn't affect the "power dynamic between China and the United States" at all. Our government will be dealing with the power dynamic irrespective of whether businesses support Hong Kong or not.

These are private businesses making private decisions for their own private reasons.

Now...you, as a possible consumer of the products those businesses provide, are free to make your own private decisions for your own private reasons. But be aware...those businesses have probably factored in all of the variables and decided to do what they think is best for them. If you decide to vote with your dollars, go ahead. You might feel better, but that's probably all you'll be doing.
 
Drawdown said:
Oh I can't really support these people on this issue since it all started because Hong Kong simply wanted to change their laws to allow them the ability to extradite a man to Taiwan to face charges for the fairly disgusting murder of his girlfriend.
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:lamo:lamo:lamo

One wonders whether you have to work at this or whether you're a natural.

Hong Kong leader Carrie Lam to withdraw extradition bill - BBC News
The proposal, introduced in April, would have allowed criminal suspects to be extradited to mainland China.
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Next thing we'll be hearing from you that the difference between stupidity of comments and Chinese is that stupidity has many faces.

Priceless.
 
Chagos said:
:lamo:lamo:lamo

One wonders whether you have to work at this or whether you're a natural.

Hong Kong leader Carrie Lam to withdraw extradition bill - BBC NewsNext thing we'll be hearing from you that the difference between stupidity of comments and Chinese is that stupidity has many faces.

Priceless.
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The stated reason for the extradition bill was to allow extradition of a person to Taiwan who did murder his girlfriend, stuffed her body in luggage and went back to Hong Kong. He was arrested and sentenced for using her credit cards.

Yes it would have allowed for extradition of people to mainland China. I expect only if they had "committed crimes" in China as opposed to committing crimes in Hong Kong. So if they were suspected of murdering someone in China and fled to Hong Kong, they could be extradited. If they never set foot in mainland China and just wrote an article in Hong Kong, the Hong Kong courts would not be legally allowed to extradite
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
The stated reason for the extradition bill was to allow extradition of a person to Taiwan who did murder his girlfriend, stuffed her body in luggage and went back to Hong Kong. He was arrested and sentenced for using her credit cards.

Yes it would have allowed for extradition of people to mainland China. I expect only if they had "committed crimes" in China as opposed to committing crimes in Hong Kong. So if they were suspected of murdering someone in China and fled to Hong Kong, they could be extradited. If they never set foot in mainland China and just wrote an article in Hong Kong, the Hong Kong courts would not be legally allowed to extradite
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Do not forget, however, that Taiwan rendered this immediate cause moot after declaring that it would not ask for the guy to be extradited if Hong Kong passes the extradition legislation, and says it doesn’t want to see its requests for legal assistance mired in politicized process.

It has also rejected entering into any extradition arrangements with Hong Kong under any ordinance that implies Taiwan is part of China—which the proposed bill may be interpreted as doing.

Also please do not forget that Hong Kong, under whatever special autonomy status granted, is a part of the PRC and what you or I suspect either the former or the latter to engage upon is mere speculation.

I reckon we can both clearly agree (also with the protesters) that any extradition agreement with Taiwan is not the issue here, especially in view of Beijing claiming jurisdiction not only in cases of anyone who commits a crime in the People’s Republic of China (PRC), but also in cases where the consequence of a crime takes place within PRC territory.

It's incidentally not a novelty that the PRC has dreamed up for its convenience, the case of the Huawei woman being arrested by Canada at the request of the US comes to mind. For a crime allegedly committed against the US and most certainly not in or against Canada.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
The stated reason for the extradition bill was to allow extradition of a person to Taiwan who did murder his girlfriend, stuffed her body in luggage and went back to Hong Kong. He was arrested and sentenced for using her credit cards.

Yes it would have allowed for extradition of people to mainland China. I expect only if they had "committed crimes" in China as opposed to committing crimes in Hong Kong. So if they were suspected of murdering someone in China and fled to Hong Kong, they could be extradited. If they never set foot in mainland China and just wrote an article in Hong Kong, the Hong Kong courts would not be legally allowed to extradite
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Abductions of Hong Kong publishers to the mainland proved to be too embarrassing and awkward for the Dictator-Tyrants in Beijing. Hence making it legal through the proposed extradition law. Journalists critical of the Dictator-Tyrants have been knife attacked in the night by "thugs."

It is more than curious of course. It is criminal. What you'd "expect" has zero to do with what is.


The curious tale of five missing publishers in Hong Kong

Publishing banned books was a decent and risk-free business until recently when five people from the Mighty Current publishing house vanished one after another. The last one is widely believed to have been “abducted” in Hong Kong and sent to mainland China through secret channels.

The publishers’ serial disappearances have stoked “white terror” fear in Hong Kong, a rare corner of freedom in China. The city’s pro-democracy forces accused Chinese law enforcement agencies of trespassing into the Hong Kong jurisdiction and making an illegal arrest.

Anson Chan, Hong Kong’s former No.2 government official, told the BBC: “If the abduction is proven true then I think you are spelling the death knell for ‘one country, two systems’. You can forget about it. Nobody would feel safe in Hong Kong.”

The curious tale of five missing publishers in Hong Kong | Hong Kong Free Press HKFP


You are sounding like a Beijing apologist.

And worse.
 
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