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Shouldn't Trump Be On The Side of Democracy, as Opposed to a Communist Dictatorship?

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Does Trump support Communist China as opposed to Hong Kong, despite China's human rights crimes? Will money and personal gain always be the priority over standing for values and human rights across the world? Is it unrealistic to want the president to have some support for Hong Kong citizens in a situation like this, at least a verbal comment or understanding in their favor?

But there are also visitors coming to Hong Kong from China's mainland. They are citizens of a country in which they have no political freedom, little uncensored information, and live under threat of imprisonment if they dissent.

They come from the country the Hong Kong protesters don't want to be their future; even as they know each day brings them closer to 2047, when Hong Kong is absorbed into the whole of China.

President Trump is vocal when he decries China's trade policies. "China was killing us with unfair trade deals," he said again this month.
But he has not raised his voice against China's human rights crimes, including the mass detention of Chinese Uighurs in re-education camps, or the widespread imprisonment of political dissidents.

To be sure, even those U.S. and world leaders who criticize China about human rights have been reluctant to risk losing any of the lucrative trade between the two countries. Their moral indignation has mostly stayed rhetorical.

But when President Trump was asked about the protests in Hong Kong this week, he once more praised Chinese President Xi Jinping as "a very great leader," and called for a "happy and enlightened ending to the Hong Kong problem," — which seems to say protesters are "the problem" — not China's increasingly steely rule of a place to which it had promised autonomy for 50 years.

I think a reason protesters have descended on Hong Kong's vast international airport is to appeal personally to people from all over the world. Their protest might inconvenience tourists. But it might also pierce their conscience, and make them consider if China's vast wealth can buy the silence of the world.

Opinion: Hong Kong Protesters Might Bother Tourists, Or Pierce Their Conscience : NPR
 
Ideally every president should be pro-democracy. Trump values the perception of strength which has led him to admire authoritarians across the world. We knew this before he was elected by his own words on the famous Tiananmen square demonstrations.

Trump on Tiananmen Square massacre: China showed 'power of strength' - Business Insider

The future US president was then asked if he meant "firm hand as in China."

"When the students poured into Tiananmen Square, the Chinese government almost blew it. Then they were vicious, they were horrible, but they put it down with strength," Trump replied. "That shows you the power of strength. Our country is right now perceived as weak...as being spit on by the rest of the world."


I hope that one day we will have a president that can truly take up the mantle as the "leader of the free world", but Trump is certainly not up to the task.
 
Does Trump support Communist China as opposed to Hong Kong, despite China's human rights crimes? Will money and personal gain always be the priority over standing for values and human rights across the world? Is it unrealistic to want the president to have some support for Hong Kong citizens in a situation like this, at least a verbal comment or understanding in their favor?
Opinion: Hong Kong Protesters Might Bother Tourists, Or Pierce Their Conscience : NPR


Hong Kong is part of China ... has been now for almost 30 years.

Remember how "well" the US involvement in the Arab Spring worked out?

The Arab Spring: Made in the USA - Global ResearchGlobal Research - Centre for Research on Globalization
 
Does Trump support Communist China as opposed to Hong Kong, despite China's human rights crimes? Will money and personal gain always be the priority over standing for values and human rights across the world? Is it unrealistic to want the president to have some support for Hong Kong citizens in a situation like this, at least a verbal comment or understanding in their favor?



Opinion: Hong Kong Protesters Might Bother Tourists, Or Pierce Their Conscience : NPR

I'd rather the President remain on the side of the American people.

Leave the moral indignation that is mostly rhetorical to the bleeding hearts.
 
I'd rather the President remain on the side of the American people.

Leave the moral indignation that is mostly rhetorical to the bleeding hearts.

Your post suggests the American people support Beijing over Hong Kong people.

If so then you speak for yourself and the Putin-Trump Rowers only.

To include the Trump-Kim-Xi-Dictator-Tyrants Fanclub. Authoritarians all. American isolationism has always been a fail. It's never been more pernicious than it is presently btw.
 
Your post suggests the American people support Beijing over Hong Kong people.
If so then you speak for yourself and the Putin-Trump Rowers only.
To include the Trump-Kim-Xi-Dictator-Tyrants Fanclub. Authoritarians all. American isolationism has always been a fail. It's never been more pernicious than it is presently btw.


I really don't the remember the outcry from the American people when Iran executed 2,000 people during the years when Kerry was aimlessly trying to negotiate a Nuclear deal.
What did Obama say to all these executions?

The 2,000 are the known number, btw.
 
Your post suggests the American people support Beijing over Hong Kong people.

If so then you speak for yourself and the Putin-Trump Rowers only.

To include the Trump-Kim-Xi-Dictator-Tyrants Fanclub. Authoritarians all. American isolationism has always been a fail. It's never been more pernicious than it is presently btw.

???

I made no mention of what "the American people" should do. I ONLY speak for myself. Furthermore, I said nothing about Putin, Kim, Xi or anyone...except Americans.

Save your spin, hyperbole and lies and stop making **** up about me.
 
I really don't the remember the outcry from the American people when Iran executed 2,000 people during the years when Kerry was aimlessly trying to negotiate a Nuclear deal.
What did Obama say to all these executions?

The 2,000 are the known number, btw.

American authoritarians who support the perspiring dictator wannabe Trump stay silent on democracy in Hong Kong.
 
he is only on the side of himself.
 
???

I made no mention of what "the American people" should do. I ONLY speak for myself. Furthermore, I said nothing about Putin, Kim, Xi or anyone...except Americans.

Save your spin, hyperbole and lies and stop making **** up about me.

I said what your post suggested. Which is that Americans mustn't care about democracy in Hong Kong. I refer to Americans in USA who would rather be ruled by Russia than be governed by Democrats or democrats. Americans in USA who are working each day to try to destroy the Constitution.
 
No, you didn't. You made up **** that I didn't say.

**** you don't dare say.

You suggested the American people mustn't have any interest, concern or commitment to democracy in Hong Kong. This is your position and bent over posture.
 
Does Trump support Communist China as opposed to Hong Kong, despite China's human rights crimes? Will money and personal gain always be the priority over standing for values and human rights across the world? Is it unrealistic to want the president to have some support for Hong Kong citizens in a situation like this, at least a verbal comment or understanding in their favor?



Opinion: Hong Kong Protesters Might Bother Tourists, Or Pierce Their Conscience : NPR

Where's the Trump silence?

"Hong Kong braced for more mass protests over the weekend, even as China warned it could use its power to quell demonstrations and U.S. President Donald Trump urged his Chinese counterpart, Xi Jinping, to meet with the protesters to defuse weeks of tensions."

Trump told reporters on Thursday he did not want to see a resort to violence to quell the protests in Hong Kong and reiterated that he wanted to see China “humanely solve the problem.”

“I am concerned. I wouldn’t want to see a violent crackdown,” Trump said, speaking in Morristown, New Jersey. “If he (Xi) sat down with the protesters - a group of representative protesters - I’d bet he’d work it out in 15 minutes. ... I know it’s not the kind of thing he does, but I think it wouldn’t be a bad idea.”


China warns it could quell Hong Kong protesters; Trump urges Xi to meet them - Reuters
 
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Where's the silence? "Hong Kong braced for more mass protests over the weekend, even as China warned it could use its power to quell demonstrations and U.S. President Donald Trump urged his Chinese counterpart, Xi Jinping, to meet with the protesters to defuse weeks of tensions."
China warns it could quell Hong Kong protesters; Trump urges Xi to meet them - Reuters

Chinese leaders met with the leaders of Tiananmen Square in 1989. The tv footage showed student leaders point the finger at Party leaders and lecturing 'em in return for the Party leaders pointing the finger at the students and scolding them. Chinese are the world's worst negotiators.

So the Party ordered in the PLA to invade the square and kill 'em.

Trump is ignoring all of his advisers to include Bolton who insist on a strong statement by Potus to support democracy demonstrators in Hong Kong.

Trump's suggestion that Xi Jinpingpong meet with HKG leaders is 100% unrealistic and it is flat out stupid. Xi and the Party Boyz won't have anything to do with that. Nothing.
 
**** you don't dare say.

You suggested the American people mustn't have any interest, concern or commitment to democracy in Hong Kong. This is your position and bent over posture.

Your **** is dismissed.
 
Chinese leaders met with the leaders of Tiananmen Square in 1989. The tv footage showed student leaders point the finger at Party leaders and lecturing 'em in return for the Party leaders pointing the finger at the students and scolding them. Chinese are the world's worst negotiators.
So the Party ordered in the PLA to invade the square and kill 'em.
Trump is ignoring all of his advisers to include Bolton who insist on a strong statement by Potus to support democracy demonstrators in Hong Kong.
Trump's suggestion that Xi Jinpingpong meet with HKG leaders is 100% unrealistic and it is flat out stupid. Xi and the Party Boyz won't have anything to do with that. Nothing.


Since you don't have any names for those advisers, I assume you were reading the NYT again ... :lol:
 
Your **** is dismissed.

I couldn't help but notice you have a new limp to your posts.

And I couldn't help but see part of a mainland China red flag hanging out of your pants pocket.

And some of a Russian flag hanging out of the other pocket. You're a piece of work dude.

You and Trump the perspiring wannabe dictator want the American people to stay out of the fight for democracy in Hong Kong. Well despite Trump's official avoidance of any public support of the pro democracy demonstrators you can be assured US government guys are very involved in it there. It's just that it's also expected that Potus makes public statements in support.

Xi hollered at Obama about this in Beijing in 2014. It really gets under the Chinese skin. OB simply said supporting democracy is in the American DNA.

Not every American however and unfortunately.
 
Is that a little crack in your narrative about the Orange Man?

Nope.

It's my response to the opinions of Scott Simon from NPR and the OP.
 
Nope.

It's my response to the opinions of Scott Simon from NPR and the OP.

Oh I apologize. I forgot about your yuge love for the Perfect Orange Slime (POS).
Carry on.
 
Since you don't have any names for those advisers, I assume you were reading the NYT again ... :lol:

I said John Bolton in my post.

Peter Navarro of the trade council who's leading in the trade war. Navarro of UC has books connecting Beijing's trade swindles to financial support of the PLA.

Michael Pillsbury who's at a think tank and has been dealing face to face with PLA for 30 years. Pillsbury says PLA has changed its attitude completely in recent years to blatantly arrogant, belligerent and aggressive. He recalls Tiananmen vividly from 1989.

I could go on but nobody in WH likes China starting with the guy in the Oval Office.
 
I'd rather the President remain on the side of the American people.
Leave the moral indignation that is mostly rhetorical to the bleeding hearts.


It's fascinating how the liberals try their hardest to involve Trump in a new war.

First it was Russia, then NK, then Iran and now China. Surely the next country will be some African nation ...
 
Bolton is plural now?!?

I live in China, the mainland. Shenzhen City, next to Hong Kong. The electronics city.

I go to Hong Kong regularly to see friends and colleagues American, foreign, Chinese and of many other countries.

I don't do NYT much because of its paywall. NYT is censored and closed out of access on the mainland and available in HKG for pay. I don't pay.

I am posting from personal knowledge. First hand. Ten years of it. To include the salty brine of Guangdong province which runs along the South China Sea from HKG to Taiwan Strait. Guangdong province puts in $1 Trillion dollars to China GDP. That's a lot of beef. Your cliched mind obviously needs lots of new protein.
 
It's fascinating how the liberals try their hardest to involve Trump in a new war.

First it was Russia, then NK, then Iran and now China. Surely the next country will be some African nation ...

That's quite the Right Wing cloud you're in up there.
 
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