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Shouldn't Trump Be On The Side of Democracy, as Opposed to a Communist Dictatorship?

Well what you're saying is inherently a fallacy. First of all, China is an authoritarian state where the 3000 central representatives are selected and appointed based of vigorous examination. China was much less structured and more dictatorial back in Mao's era, however, you're completely wrong when you try to categorize China as a 'communist dictatorship' because it is a socio-capitalist economy which is run by a progressive meritocracy. This is not to say the country doesn't have its fair share of human rights issues, however, might I point out western media portrayal is not accurate at all as they are backed with corporate interest and independent agendas, i.e Fox discrepancy with CNN and so on..

I also dont' see your point when you say Trump should or shouldn't be on the side of democracy. It sounds like a redundant point to me because he is the leader of a country with a supposed 'democratic' system that is actually controlled by corporate interest groups. America has a massive reliance on China, to the point where there is literally a trade deficit with the country. Trump's trade war policies aren't panning out well for his own citizens either. A simple survey across manufacturing and agriculturally dominant regions of the country will show you not everyone is happy with the ever-ugly labor statistics and dropping income sustainability.

China will develop itself in its own way, but your categorization is fallacious and appeals more to emotional rhetoric rather than facts. Yes, Tianamen square incident is real, yes Mao made extremely bad mistakes, however, like all parties and governments, development and variation is evident in every sector, much more in a country like China where the demands of nearly 1.5 billion citizens must be met. Xi's administration has been met with harsh backlash from the western world unsurprisingly, but critics of the West will simply point out that it's expected because ideologies are concurrently in contrast. China seems to have become the new USSR, a status to which I view with extreme discontent.

In the modern world, it seems like people don't give nearly enough credit to what China has become in the short span of 40 years. Social momentum brings about its vast set of problems that should be tackled slowly. Blind criticism and hatred will only perpetuate fear, to which no progress of collaboration can be made. Do not forget, China's uplifting of 600 million people out of poverty is a pretty obvious indication that it does live to serve its people. It may be viewed with doubt from the eurocentric sphere, but statistics do not lie. Communist dictatorships don't become the number 2 biggest nominal GDP in the world. Need examples? Look at Venezuela, Cuba, North Vietnam, USSR and NK. Too many examples to show how TRUE dictatorships and regressive societies do not drive progress but rather pure suffering.

Open your mind.
 
You're making an extremely self-assumed and self-righteous statement. Assuming that democracy would work well in Hong Kong is just naive and emotional. HK is one of the most oligopolistic and tycoon-run societies in the planet. With an already suffering wealth polarization, a liberal democracy would only serve to strengthen corporate interest. This is undeniable because the same issue can be seen in the US where the Trump administration is most obviously funded and supported by oil lobbying groups and big mining corporations.

You want to talk about HK and China? Learn a thing or two about it first. Stop reading a NYT article and thinking you have the acumen and intelligence to comment on the Asian sphere, viewing the world through the narrow-minded American lens is a massive mistake and will only lead to fallacy and discrepancy. Do some research on the entire history of HK, if you don't want to be seen as an idiot by anyone who knows a thing or two about the issue.

In nearly 156 years of British colonial rule, not once did they make any proposition towards democracy, rather blind oppression. The British took the nice penthouses on HK Island side and forced the Chinese to reside in the crowded slum-settlements of Kowloon side. The rightful inhabitants did not get any participation in politics, nor the right to protest without being suppressed. In the 1950's, a protest resulted in the death of 41 protesters at the hands of British police. That is brutality, my friend.
 
I really don't the remember the outcry from the American people when Iran executed 2,000 people during the years when Kerry was aimlessly trying to negotiate a Nuclear deal.
What did Obama say to all these executions?

The 2,000 are the known number, btw.

How many people did China execute when Nixon was aimlessly trying to negotiate with the PRC? What did Trump say about Saddam's executions? If I remember correctly, he approved.
 
I'd rather the President remain on the side of the American people.

Leave the moral indignation that is mostly rhetorical to the bleeding hearts.

Seems to me we heard that sentiment in the 1930s where Germany was concerned. Charles Lindbergh said it: America First! And let's not get started on those bleeding hearts in Miami who complained about Fidel all those years.
 
Seems to me we heard that sentiment in the 1930s where Germany was concerned. Charles Lindbergh said it: America First! And let's not get started on those bleeding hearts in Miami who complained about Fidel all those years.

Don't worry...we don't have any hitlers in the world nowadays.

The problems facing the US nowadays are related to economic security, national security and money. Globalism is our biggest threat. So yeah...I'd rather the President remain on the side of the American people.
 
Being President means having to walk a lot of tightropes. As the head of the country he must try to work with leaders even if they don't have the same type of government as we do. Good relations with China or Russia or Iran or any other are better than bad relations and the pros and cons of each situation must be weighed.

Trump can barely make it down an escalator.

Hitler didn't give much thought to the Chinese, the Japanese and others in what used to be called the Far East.

He hated only the people he could see right there in front of him, ie, the Jewish people of Germany and Europe. I don't think of Trumpolini as Hitler despite the similarities to include among his adoring and absolute supporters.
 
Well what you're saying is inherently a fallacy. First of all, China is an authoritarian state where the 3000 central representatives are selected and appointed based of vigorous examination. China was much less structured and more dictatorial back in Mao's era, however, you're completely wrong when you try to categorize China as a 'communist dictatorship' because it is a socio-capitalist economy which is run by a progressive meritocracy. This is not to say the country doesn't have its fair share of human rights issues, however, might I point out western media portrayal is not accurate at all as they are backed with corporate interest and independent agendas, i.e Fox discrepancy with CNN and so on..

I also dont' see your point when you say Trump should or shouldn't be on the side of democracy. It sounds like a redundant point to me because he is the leader of a country with a supposed 'democratic' system that is actually controlled by corporate interest groups. America has a massive reliance on China, to the point where there is literally a trade deficit with the country. Trump's trade war policies aren't panning out well for his own citizens either. A simple survey across manufacturing and agriculturally dominant regions of the country will show you not everyone is happy with the ever-ugly labor statistics and dropping income sustainability.

China will develop itself in its own way, but your categorization is fallacious and appeals more to emotional rhetoric rather than facts. Yes, Tianamen square incident is real, yes Mao made extremely bad mistakes, however, like all parties and governments, development and variation is evident in every sector, much more in a country like China where the demands of nearly 1.5 billion citizens must be met. Xi's administration has been met with harsh backlash from the western world unsurprisingly, but critics of the West will simply point out that it's expected because ideologies are concurrently in contrast. China seems to have become the new USSR, a status to which I view with extreme discontent.

In the modern world, it seems like people don't give nearly enough credit to what China has become in the short span of 40 years. Social momentum brings about its vast set of problems that should be tackled slowly. Blind criticism and hatred will only perpetuate fear, to which no progress of collaboration can be made. Do not forget, China's uplifting of 600 million people out of poverty is a pretty obvious indication that it does live to serve its people. It may be viewed with doubt from the eurocentric sphere, but statistics do not lie. Communist dictatorships don't become the number 2 biggest nominal GDP in the world. Need examples? Look at Venezuela, Cuba, North Vietnam, USSR and NK. Too many examples to show how TRUE dictatorships and regressive societies do not drive progress but rather pure suffering.

Open your mind.

The post is classic Party School.

For one thingy it runs along parallel tracks.

Apologize for the CCP running China while trying to deprecate the West, the USA especially and in particular. Paint the Chinese as having the Grand View (Grandiose View) while assigning tunnel vision to the West.

So, did you graduate the Party School off Tiananmen or is that a senior level thesis. How are thingys at Zhong Nan Hai? Behind those high and thick long walls. Get there much? Too busy eh, I know.

I see you also had native English speaking foreign teachers variously during your overall education. After all, ordinary Chinese rarely write English as if all of 'em were graduates of Tsinghua University, or of Peking University; Zhejiang University among others the Boyz in Beijing are trying desperately to remake into Oxford and Harvard, UC and the like globally.

Myself I favor the blog of Michael Pettis who both teaches your guys finance at the Guanghua School of Peking U and shreds your fake financial system and Rube Goldberg economic contraption in his blog. Then there's your RMB Monopoly money your guys play with, presently at 7:1 thank you. You're on the road to ruin or don't you know, what with debt size and growth far outstripping GDP.

You know of course Peter Navarro hates China and the Chinese. Perhaps only a mite more than Donald Trump hates all of you and your ways over there. Just kindly keep in mind I didn't vote for Trump nor would I ever vote for a guy who belongs in ZhongNanHai (or the Kremlin) rather than the WH.
 
You're making an extremely self-assumed and self-righteous statement. Assuming that democracy would work well in Hong Kong is just naive and emotional. HK is one of the most oligopolistic and tycoon-run societies in the planet. With an already suffering wealth polarization, a liberal democracy would only serve to strengthen corporate interest. This is undeniable because the same issue can be seen in the US where the Trump administration is most obviously funded and supported by oil lobbying groups and big mining corporations.

You want to talk about HK and China? Learn a thing or two about it first. Stop reading a NYT article and thinking you have the acumen and intelligence to comment on the Asian sphere, viewing the world through the narrow-minded American lens is a massive mistake and will only lead to fallacy and discrepancy. Do some research on the entire history of HK, if you don't want to be seen as an idiot by anyone who knows a thing or two about the issue.

In nearly 156 years of British colonial rule, not once did they make any proposition towards democracy, rather blind oppression. The British took the nice penthouses on HK Island side and forced the Chinese to reside in the crowded slum-settlements of Kowloon side. The rightful inhabitants did not get any participation in politics, nor the right to protest without being suppressed. In the 1950's, a protest resulted in the death of 41 protesters at the hands of British police. That is brutality, my friend.

What you need to know and accept when all is said and done is this:

We're the good guys and they're the bad guys. USA v CCP specifically.

Case closed.
 
Don't worry...we don't have any hitlers in the world nowadays.

The problems facing the US nowadays are related to economic security, national security and money. Globalism is our biggest threat. So yeah...I'd rather the President remain on the side of the American people.

Globalism is the future, a threat only if we hide our heads in the sand. And give me a break that we don't have any Hitlers. Nobody measures up to Adolf, but Putin, Duterte, Xi, the Saudis, et al., (you know, the people whose style Trump admires) are decent imitators.
 
Globalism is the future, a threat only if we hide our heads in the sand.

No. Globalism is the past. It's the past that removed thousands of American companies and millions of American jobs. It's the past that tried to turn the US into a service economy.

Trump has ended that.

And give me a break that we don't have any Hitlers. Nobody measures up to Adolf, but Putin, Duterte, Xi, the Saudis, et al., (you know, the people whose style Trump admires) are decent imitators.

None of those people you mention hold a candle to Hitler. Let not your heart be troubled.
 
No. Globalism is the past. It's the past that removed thousands of American companies and millions of American jobs. It's the past that tried to turn the US into a service economy.

Trump has ended that.



None of those people you mention hold a candle to Hitler. Let not your heart be troubled.

Trump has not ended anything, except the reputation of the US a rational actor in the world. Trade will continue, despite Mr. Tariff Man. We will win in some cases, lose in others. Trump knows that.

And my heart is troubled when Trump supports Hitler-like policies.
 
Beijing is refraining from a violent crackdown on the protesters so far because of Trump's warning. Donald Trump warned China that carrying out a Tiananmen Square-style crackdown on Hong Kong pro-democracy protesters would harm trade talks between the two countries. "I think it'd be very hard to deal if they do violence, I mean, if it's another Tiananmen Square," Trump told reporters in New Jersey. "I think it's a very hard thing to do if there's violence."

Donald Trump says Tiananmen Square-style crackdown in Hong Kong would harm trade talks | South China Morning Post
 
Beijing is refraining from a violent crackdown on the protesters so far because of Trump's warning. Donald Trump warned China that carrying out a Tiananmen Square-style crackdown on Hong Kong pro-democracy protesters would harm trade talks between the two countries.

This is laughable. Like Donald Trump scares China's president-for-life and Communist purge survivor Xi Jinping.
 
Beijing is refraining from a violent crackdown on the protesters so far because of Trump's warning. Donald Trump warned China that carrying out a Tiananmen Square-style crackdown on Hong Kong pro-democracy protesters would harm trade talks between the two countries. "I think it'd be very hard to deal if they do violence, I mean, if it's another Tiananmen Square," Trump told reporters in New Jersey. "I think it's a very hard thing to do if there's violence."

Donald Trump says Tiananmen Square-style crackdown in Hong Kong would harm trade talks | South China Morning Post

Xi is against using the PLA in Hong Kong. Trump knows this so Trump is trying to exploit Hong Kong in the trade war.

Xi wouldn't hesitate to use the PLA's People's Armed Police in HKG but he knows he'd lose both HKG and Taiwan. His only possibility concerning Taiwan would become invasion which would be explosive regionally and globally. PLA anyway remains unable to conduct an amphibious invasion of the island where forces are dug inside mountains and under rock against missile attacks.

Xi is focused on the national election in Taiwan in January and he knows sending PLA into HKG will slay his sycophant KMT party in the Taiwan voting. As it is the pro independence Democratic Progressive Party remains well positioned to retain both the presidency of Tsai Ing-wen and the national assembly. DPP won control of the assembly in 2016 for the first time ever which is another statement of distrust toward Beijing. There's no question Trump and his China advisers support DPP.

Xi knows the majority on Taiwan always hope for improved relations with Beijing and that Xi using the PAP of the PLA in HKG will kill any and all sentiment of that throughout the island population. Xi has already erred seriously by sending troops to the HKG border from the Eastern Military District which is directly across from Taiwan. Taiwanese see use of these troops as a menacing message to Taiwan and they are correct. This further weakens Xi's political allies on Taiwan in the coming national vote which Xi seems to miss completely. Belief is also widespread throughout the region that commanders of the HKG Garrison, which is in the Southern Military District, strongly oppose committing their troops to the cramped urban jungle HKG would be in any military intervention.

Since the demonstrations in HKG immigration to Taiwan from HKG has increased 28% which emphasizes among other things the failure of the 1C2S which has always been a fraud to begin with. Singapore has suspended its student exchange program with HKG. With the HKG school year about to begin a widespread student boycott of attendance is being organized advocating democracy until Beijing meets the 5 demands. Students unions of both high schools and all 14 universities are organizing demonstrations rather than new student orientations -- new students are being invited to teach-ins. Xi's not going to be shooting high school students either despite the Party hotheads in Beijing. Time is Xi's enemy, not his friend.
 
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