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Removal of fuel in pool at Fukushima’s melted reactor begins

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Removal of fuel in pool at Fukushima'''s melted reactor begins

TOKYO (AP) — The operator of the tsunami-wrecked Fukushima nuclear plant began removing fuel Monday from a cooling pool at one of three reactors that melted down in the 2011 disaster, a milestone in what will be a decades-long process to decommission the facility.

Tokyo Electric Power Co. said workers started removing the first of 566 used and unused fuel units stored in the pool at Unit 3. The fuel units in the pool located high up in reactor buildings are intact despite the disaster, but the pools are not enclosed, so removing the units to safer ground is crucial to avoid disaster in case of another major earthquake similar to the one that caused the 2011 tsunami.
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Nuclear energy on a coast facing inevitable tsunmamis on an island prone to periodic earthquakes. What could possibly go wrong?
 
Nuclear energy on a coast facing inevitable tsunmamis on an island prone to periodic earthquakes. What could possibly go wrong?

NOT removing the fuel, that could go wrong.
It has to be done.
 
Nuclear energy on a coast facing inevitable tsunmamis on an island prone to periodic earthquakes. What could possibly go wrong?

That is yesterday, but today something has to be done about mess left behind. No matter what Japan is in no condition nor with any immediate means to shift away from nuclear power overnight.

We both know all this.
 
That is yesterday, but today something has to be done about mess left behind. No matter what Japan is in no condition nor with any immediate means to shift away from nuclear power overnight.

We both know all this.

One of the major reasons for WWII is the fact that Japan needs to import essentially all its fuel & raw materials for manufacturing. When FDR cut those off in response to Japanese war crimes in China, Pearl Harbor became inevitable. Many believe that FDR maneuvered us into WWII in the Pacific because he was afraid of what would happen if the Nazis conquered the UK & wound up in Canada & Mexico.
 
One of the major reasons for WWII is the fact that Japan needs to import essentially all its fuel & raw materials for manufacturing. When FDR cut those off in response to Japanese war crimes in China, Pearl Harbor became inevitable. Many believe that FDR maneuvered us into WWII in the Pacific because he was afraid of what would happen if the Nazis conquered the UK & wound up in Canada & Mexico.

Understood and agreed... mostly... but not a bit of that changes what Japan is facing today, in cleaning up the mess they have plus how they deal with power needs for the foreseeable future.

There is no immediate path to changing how much nuclear power they need.

Besides, no one is going to go back and apologize for all this ****. Nor should we, does not change much.
 
Understood and agreed... mostly... but not a bit of that changes what Japan is facing today, in cleaning up the mess they have plus how they deal with power needs for the foreseeable future.

There is no immediate path to changing how much nuclear power they need.

Besides, no one is going to go back and apologize for all this ****. Nor should we, does not change much.

Apologize to the Japanese? Think of how many American & Japanese lives were saved when we A-bombed Hiroshima & Nagasaki. Saved us (and them) the catastrophe of having to invade the Home islands.
 
Removal of fuel in pool at Fukushima'''s melted reactor begins

TOKYO (AP) — The operator of the tsunami-wrecked Fukushima nuclear plant began removing fuel Monday from a cooling pool at one of three reactors that melted down in the 2011 disaster, a milestone in what will be a decades-long process to decommission the facility.

Tokyo Electric Power Co. said workers started removing the first of 566 used and unused fuel units stored in the pool at Unit 3. The fuel units in the pool located high up in reactor buildings are intact despite the disaster, but the pools are not enclosed, so removing the units to safer ground is crucial to avoid disaster in case of another major earthquake similar to the one that caused the 2011 tsunami.
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Nuclear energy on a coast facing inevitable tsunmamis on an island prone to periodic earthquakes. What could possibly go wrong?

As I recall,the original sin was having the back up genetators in the basement where the tsunami flooded them out of service.
 
As I recall,the original sin was having the back up genetators in the basement where the tsunami flooded them out of service.
Yes it was a failed system, there are much better systems now.
 
As I recall,the original sin was having the back up genetators in the basement where the tsunami flooded them out of service.

The true original sin started with the site selection. Japan has a very long history of earthquakes & resulting tsunamis, mostly coming towards the islands from the east toward where the plant was located.
 
The true original sin started with the site selection. Japan has a very long history of earthquakes & resulting tsunamis, mostly coming towards the islands from the east toward where the plant was located.

I believe they needed the water for cooling.
 
One of the major reasons for WWII is the fact that Japan needs to import essentially all its fuel & raw materials for manufacturing. When FDR cut those off in response to Japanese war crimes in China, Pearl Harbor became inevitable. Many believe that FDR maneuvered us into WWII in the Pacific because he was afraid of what would happen if the Nazis conquered the UK & wound up in Canada & Mexico.

Yes FDR was very afraid of Hitler and rightly so. Can you imagine if he got the a-bomb first?
 
The true original sin started with the site selection. Japan has a very long history of earthquakes & resulting tsunamis, mostly coming towards the islands from the east toward where the plant was located.

The real sin was that the cooling pump system was not protected against tsunamis in all these years even though the area has a history of them. The reactor core was safe and not damaged until the pumps failed. It was an accident waiting to happen and that is exactly what we do not want with nuclear power. The stakes are ridiculously high.
 
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The real sin was that the cooling pump system was not protected against tsunamis in all these years even though the area has a history of them. The reactor core was safe and not damaged until the pumps failed. It was an accident waiting to happen and that is exactly what we do not want with nuclear power. The stakes are ridiculously high.

It is also high time Japan, and hopefully every other country including our own, take a very serious look at THORIUM reactors, which DO NOT MELT DOWN in the first place.
 
It is also high time Japan, and hopefully every other country including our own, take a very serious look at THORIUM reactors, which DO NOT MELT DOWN in the first place.

I'm actually more worried about the disposal of nuclear waste which just build up at the plants because we have no where to safely store them permanently. This is not a long term solution. Man does not behold the face of the Gorgon and live.:lol:
 
I'm actually more worried about the disposal of nuclear waste which just build up at the plants because we have no where to safely store them permanently. This is not a long term solution. Man does not behold the face of the Gorgon and live.:lol:

Apparently there's work going on with a design that burn nuke waste too.
Like everything else, it's not perfect but it is part of a solution to the waste problem.
But the first thing we need to do is engage in designs that cannot by their very nature melt down.
The Thorium design cannot melt down. That's important.
 
I'll use an existing thread to make note of our 13th year here in Japan since that monster shake we had back on Friday the 11th of March in 2011. I used the search tool for just this forum and saw no results that indicated a special thread existed.

By the way, there is still a lot of guessing/questioning going on about that nuke power plant and just how in the heck there will be a way to sort of get Earth sort of normal in that plant's AO within 40 or 50 or more years.

But this post is for any that may actually have experienced that horrible shake and the days and weeks that followed. Well, more like months. I kept a log of all NHK special posts about the aftermath of that shake and that log ran some ten months or so. And we had so many aftershakes for so many months. Some mighty not cool. That is a strange life.

Oh yes, I don't know if I ever posted around here, but I actually suspected that we were in danger of a bad shake and posted that worry on the admin side of one of my own forums at that time. I did the post about thirty minutes after a not so bad shake woke me up in the middle of the night about 48 hours or so before the super bad one. We ended up moving that post out of the admin section and into the general public area and posted for over a year all sorts of updates as they happened. Especially about the tsunami and the nuke power plant. Like the SDF CH47 pilots trying to drop water into the reactor buildings in the nuke power plant.

And then that Noto area shake in January of this year saw trouble at another nuke power plant, and I am not so sure the Japanese government has been straight with us about just how bad that was/is.
 
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