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Beijing is furious

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US Navy warships just challenged China with a South China Sea sail-by operation, and Beijing is furious

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2/11/19
The US Navy sent two guided-missile destroyers to challenge China in the South China Sea, and Beijing is outraged. Two Arleigh Burke-class destroyers — the USS Spruance and the USS Preble — conducted a freedom-of-navigation operation on Monday, sailing within 12 nautical miles of Chinese outposts in the contested Spratly Islands. The purpose was "to challenge excessive maritime claims and preserve access to the waterways," as well as to show that the US "will fly, sail, and operate wherever international law allows," Cmdr. Clay Doss, a US Navy 7th Fleet spokesman, told CNN. Beijing sharply criticized the operation. A spokeswoman for the Chinese foreign ministry, Hua Chunying, accused the US of entering Chinese waters without permission and engaging in provocations that threaten China's sovereignty, the South China Morning Post reported. China's claims to the South China Sea were largely discredited by an international arbitration tribunal three years ago. Beijing rejected the ruling and the authority of the tribunal.

The Chinese military has since bolstered its presence in the region through deploying surface-to-air missiles, anti-ship missiles, jamming technology, and other defense systems to Chinese-occupied territories. Monday's sail-by is the second US freedom-of-navigation operation in the South China Sea this year. In January, the destroyer USS McCampbell challenged China's claims to the Paracel Islands. China then accused the US of trespassing, and Chinese media announced it had deployed a "far-reaching anti-ship ballistic missile," the DF-26, that was "capable of targeting medium and large ships." The US has also sailed warships through the Taiwan Strait, drawing Beijing's ire. During a South China Sea freedom-of-navigation operation in September, a Chinese destroyer challenged a US vessel to a showdown, forcing the US Navy ship off course and risking a deadly collision. The Chinese foreign ministry on Monday said the People's Liberation Army Navy sent vessels to track the US warships sailing near the Spratlys and warned them to leave the area. The US Navy, however, has stressed that it's not going anywhere. "We've got big interests there, so we're going to remain there," Adm. John Richardson, the chief of naval operations, said recently.
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Beijing needs to be disabused of the notion that China owns the South China Sea.

Related: US warships again challenge Beijing's claims in South China Sea
 
A spokeswoman for the Chinese foreign ministry, Hua Chunying, accused the US of entering Chinese waters without permission and engaging in provocations that threaten China's sovereignty, the South China Morning Post reported. China's claims to the South China Sea were largely discredited by an international arbitration tribunal three years ago. Beijing rejected the ruling and the authority of the tribunal.
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What China needs to understand is that all of the South China Sea does not belong to China just as Japan does not own the Sea of Japan exclusively. South Korea calls it the East Sea in its own language and claims a bulk of it, too. Its territorial waters are restricted to within 12 nautical miles (22 km) from the edge of a coastal state, as a general rule. It requires a tough enforcement action to send a strong message to Beijing, which attempts to make the South China Sea a no-go zone for non-Chinese vessels.

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ThirdTerm said:
What China needs to understand is that all of the South China Sea does not belong to China just as Japan does not own the Sea of Japan exclusively. South Korea calls it the East Sea in its own language and claims a bulk of it, too. Its territorial waters are restricted to within 12 nautical miles (22 km) from the edge of a coastal state, as a general rule. It requires a tough enforcement action to send a strong message to Beijing, which attempts to make the South China Sea a no-go zone for non-Chinese vessels.

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I don't think it's an issue of China understanding that, it's an issue that they do not care about what the law is unless it were to benefit itself somehow. They know full well what the international laws are regarding territorial waters, they don't give a ****. And they never will less someone physically intervenes and wins to state otherwise. China don't care. It's never given a rat's ass about any international law, they do what they want.
 
Ikari said:
I don't think it's an issue of China understanding that, it's an issue that they do not care about what the law is unless it were to benefit itself somehow. They know full well what the international laws are regarding territorial waters, they don't give a ****. And they never will less someone physically intervenes and wins to state otherwise. China don't care. It's never given a rat's ass about any international law, they do what they want.
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You mean they act like they are consider themselves sovereign?
 
PirateMk1 said:
You mean they act like they are consider themselves sovereign?
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I think it's a bit more than just sovereignty as international water boarders, territorial waters, etc. has long been established and upheld through international and global treaty. China's part of those agreements as well, and if some other country tried to do what China is doing, they would likely run right to those rules to stop them. This is more about resource and control of the water ways.
 
They're just practicing China First.

Remember how Trump said all nations should practice "Our Country First" presumably greenlighting them behaving in the aggressive, noncooperative way America is doing under his lead ... even though he got pissed off and invoked new tariffs on Canada because Trudeau dared to say Canada wouldn't be pushed around.

China is doing what Trump said was the right thing to do.



I don't mind China and Russia being sent messages about their aggression. But it's hypocritical for us to do it. And our farmers and manufacturers are likely to suffer more collateral damage as a result of these dick-measuring exercises.
 
Trump's “get tough” strategy worked on North Korea and China will eventually give in, too, if the situation escalates further. Both North Korea and China are Communist countries which operate differently from other democratic countries that abide by accepted norms. For instance, private ownership of land is not allowed in Communist China. Land in cities is owned by the State; land in the rural and suburban areas is owned by the State or by collectives.
 
ThirdTerm said:
Trump's “get tough” strategy worked on North Korea and China will eventually give in, too, if the situation escalates further. Both North Korea and China are Communist countries which operate differently from other democratic countries that abide by accepted norms. For instance, private ownership of land is not allowed in Communist China. Land in cities is owned by the State; land in the rural and suburban areas is owned by the State or by collectives.
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Worked in NK? what are you talking about He got played with NK, gave Kim Jong everything he wanted, recognition, praise, got nothing in return.
 
Ikari said:
I don't think it's an issue of China understanding that, it's an issue that they do not care about what the law is unless it were to benefit itself somehow. They know full well what the international laws are regarding territorial waters, they don't give a ****. And they never will less someone physically intervenes and wins to state otherwise. China don't care. It's never given a rat's ass about any international law, they do what they want.
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Lotta that going on these days.
 
ThirdTerm said:
Trump's “get tough” strategy worked on North Korea and China will eventually give in, too, if the situation escalates further. Both North Korea and China are Communist countries which operate differently from other democratic countries that abide by accepted norms. For instance, private ownership of land is not allowed in Communist China. Land in cities is owned by the State; land in the rural and suburban areas is owned by the State or by collectives.
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Trump got owned in that North Korea fiasco. What do you think he got out of it? Far as I know, Kim hasn't given an inch on his nukes and has continued missile testing.

N. Korea won'''t give up nuclear weapons unless U.S. abandons nuclear umbrella

SEOUL, South Korea — North Korea said Thursday it will never unilaterally give up its nuclear weapons unless the United States removes its nuclear threat first, a bombshell statement that could rattle the fragile diplomacy between Washington, Seoul and Pyongyang.
 
Grand Mal said:
Trump got owned in that North Korea fiasco. What do you think he got out of it? Far as I know, Kim hasn't given an inch on his nukes and has continued missile testing.

N. Korea won'''t give up nuclear weapons unless U.S. abandons nuclear umbrella

SEOUL, South Korea — North Korea said Thursday it will never unilaterally give up its nuclear weapons unless the United States removes its nuclear threat first, a bombshell statement that could rattle the fragile diplomacy between Washington, Seoul and Pyongyang.
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ssshhhhh ... don't rain on their narrative
 
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Rogue Valley said:
Beijing needs to be disabused of the notion that China owns the South China Sea.
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I have lost the source, but I recently read that some wise Chinese officials know that their government is pursuing a wrong policy.

They worry that "we picked up the seeds but lost the watermelon."


Explanation: "Four countries have begun to set aside long-standing disputes with one another to present a united front against Chinese aggression. China's land grab could backfire."
 
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