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Prosecuting tribesmen on North Sentinel Island?

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jdog21 said:
I think a criminal investigation is always warranted when someone dies at the hands of another. I do agree that these people should also not be prosecuted, they don't live by others laws but their own. Im am curious how an investigation would take place. Would someone be sent to the island with a translator to ask them questions, would he be wrapped in bubble wrap to try and protect their immune systems, would he also be killed by the tribes men?
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There are no translators. No one has ever made contact with them so no one outside of their tribe speaks it. We know pretty much nothing about their language. It's why a fair trial could never be possible as they couldn't understand or answer questions or have legal representation.
 
jdog21 said:
I would think knowing who shot arrows at him and their reasoning for doing so should be in the report at least.
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Why? The islanders are not bound by Indian law, but by their own. They are free to investigate, or not, as they choose.
 
Aristaeus said:
There are no translators. No one has ever made contact with them so no one outside of their tribe speaks it. We know pretty much nothing about their language. It's why a fair trial could never be possible as they couldn't understand or answer questions or have legal representation.
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I wasn't thinking about a trail, but a statement of facts shouldn't be out of the question. I challenge your argument that no one knows their language. We have had contact with these islands and their people for more then 400 years now. We have knowledge of the different tribes and what makes them different and even DNA analysis of their genome.
 
bearpoker said:
The only relevant investigation would be to see if anyone else broke the law, besides this would-be missionary.
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I think a responsible government would try at least to get a statement of facts surrounding the event. Im not talking about prosecuting or even forcing them to talk or forcing them to make contact. But to not try is pretty lame.
 
bearpoker said:
Why? The islanders are not bound by Indian law, but by their own. They are free to investigate, or not, as they choose.
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But the country of which that kid belongs to as well as India who protects that Island its their responsibility to bring forth an investigation to gather the facts. Again im not suggesting they be held accountable.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
I do wonder though why no one is considering the ethical implications of leaving these people like animals in a game preserve
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  1. I'm surprised that a self-professed (on DP) "Libertarian-Right" leaner has posited that quandary. I mean, really....Libertarianism is, at its core, all about "leave me the "F" alone."
  2. They are clearly not "like animals in a game preserve." Unlike animals in game preserves, nobody's studying the Sentinelese. To wit:
    • We know almost nothing about Sentinelese culture, customs, language, societal management models, social structures, gender roles (if they even have any that transcend sex roles), theology (if they even are theists of any stripe), innate virus and bacterial immunities, healthcare regimens, burial customs (if they even bury their dead), etc.
    • With regard to other social animals -- lions, dogs, hyenas, certain primates, even hymenoptera -- we know a good deal more about all of those things than we do about the Sentinelese.
    • The only way to know those things is to observe behavior and, in some way, interact with the creatures, which the rest of the world, save for rare fanatically hubristic paternalists like Chau, don't do with the Sentinelese.
  3. I think it's be very cool to learn about their culture for doing so would reveal a hell of a lot about the nature and development of a host of things.

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The Sentinelese people are not expeditionary, don't perceive human visitors as deities, clearly want nothing to with other humans and have long been of that mindset, and pose no threat to anyone who stays off their island. They want to be left alone to "do their own thing" and there's not a scintilla of cause for the rest of the world to do anything other leave them alone to "do their own thing."
 
jdog21 said:
I wasn't thinking about a trail, but a statement of facts shouldn't be out of the question. I challenge your argument that no one knows their language. We have had contact with these islands and their people for more then 400 years now. We have knowledge of the different tribes and what makes them different and even DNA analysis of their genome.
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Sentinelese is a name provisionally given to the undescribed language of the Sentinelese of North Sentinel Island in the Andaman and Nicobar Islands, India. Due to the lack of contact between the Sentinelese people and the rest of the world since roughly the 1700s, nothing is known of their language.[4] There is no way to know the vitality of the Sentinelese language as the people do not allow outsiders onto the island and are very hostile towards them.[5]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentinelese_language
 
AirDrop fliers of his face, then BLU their largest ville if you want contact with them with a chance they’ll stop shooting their arrows at airplanes. That or leave them the hell alone.
 
Pursuing this "murder" is stupid on so many levels. This missionary made a fatal mistake. I don't blame the tribe for "standing their ground". They probably have no idea what germs are, but certainly, introducing them could be deadly. The language barrier makes it difficult to convey what purpose someone has on their island.

I wonder if the tribe has even a sense of morality as they certainly operate at Maslow's base.

They perceived a threat. They neutralized the threat. They should be as undisturbed as possible and left to fend for themselves.
 
Ikari said:
Unless we discover some valuable resource on their land. In which case, kill them all and mine it!
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I've read about this tribe before and they are supposed to be dying out. But, an indigenous people that has actually been left alone? There must not be anything worth exploiting on their land, or it no doubt would have already happened.
 
TheGoverness said:
It's just a dishonest comparison.
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What’s dishonest? Was one American and one wasn’t, are liberal Americans pushing Trump to do (something about the none American. And not a peep about the American citizen.
I am being facetious here but it is another example of hypocrisy from liberals.


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MrShangles said:
What’s dishonest? Was one American and one wasn’t, are liberal Americans pushing Trump to do (something about the none American. And not a peep about the American citizen.
I am being facetious here but it is another example of hypocrisy from liberals.


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The dishonesty in your comparison is self-evident. One situation is where a foreign government deliberately assassinated an influential member of the press, and then tried to cover it up after. The other situation is where an idiot, repeatedly and foolishly trespassed onto Sentinel Island inhabited by primitive people known to be hostile to outsiders. To even try to compare the two, is just dishonest. There’s no “hypocrisy” here.
 
Rosie1 said:
I've read about this tribe before and they are supposed to be dying out. But, an indigenous people that has actually been left alone? There must not be anything worth exploiting on their land, or it no doubt would have already happened.
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There might be 10-12 left. There is no genetic diversity.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
I do wonder though why no one is considering the ethical implications of leaving these people like animals in a game preserve
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I guess the ethical considerations of exposing them to diseases that would kill them takes precedence.
 
MrShangles said:
I guess liberals want Trump to bomb them now!


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I guess this post will still be the stupidest of the day when midnight comes. Hell, come Saturday it'll still likely be the stupidest of the week.
 
Grand Mal said:
I guess this post will still be the stupidest of the day when midnight comes. Hell, come Saturday it'll still likely be the stupidest of the week.
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Don’t be so hard on yourself, one day it will all make cense. Run along now and see what MSM tells you to be mad at next.


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MrShangles said:
What’s dishonest? Was one American and one wasn’t, are liberal Americans pushing Trump to do (something about the none American. And not a peep about the American citizen.
I am being facetious here but it is another example of hypocrisy from liberals.


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No it's not. It's an example of stupidity at work. How the hell could you being facetious possibly be an example of someone else's hypocrisy? And how the hell can anyone NOT see the difference between the two killings?
 
MrShangles said:
Don’t be so hard on yourself, one day it will all make cense. Run along now and see what MSM tells you to be mad at next.


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Hard on myself? Do you ever write anything here that makes 'cense'?
 
Bucky said:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/...-india-s-north-sentinel-island-police-n938826

I am a slightly confused. So these people are no touch for yet they can kill "outsiders" and hang their bodies like scarecrows?
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There is an interesting issue of making the islanders "sub-humans", making an island into a wild-life preserve of animals including "sub-humans" who are no more responsible for murder than would be an island venomous snake.

On the other hand, were the colonial sensibility in vogue, India could request the US provide a B-52 strike on the island and end the problem once and for all.


Hmmmm...a difficult choice.
 
Bucky said:
Why not take them out? Sedate them and put them in a special facility.
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I am not unsympathetic to putting them into a Truman show fake exhibit - properly guarded with snipers for any that escape, it would make great TV.
 
Bucky said:
Why not take them out? Sedate them and put them in a special facility.
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Because that's wrong. Pretty sure that would be chemical warfare, arbitrary internement and, technically, genocide. Just because they're isolated, doesn't mean they're not people.
 
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