Thai Cave rescue - boys could be stranded for months

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Videos of the boys in their hospital common room and their mothers waving back and forth to each other through a large window.

The third video below is smoking.

It is actual footage of one of the boys yet unidentified being taken through the cave by rescuers. It shows the rescuers submerging the boy to pass through a tight area. Bringing the boy out on the other end. Carrying the boy in a special tube with high sides. The boy is wrapped in a foil blanket and his head covered to protect him from the elements after emerging from the water. Some of the shots get up close enough to see his face. The video does not show the boy outside of the carry tube he is in. It appears none of the boys walked at all inside the cave during the rescue. Rather, divers carried each of em up and down rocks, already built in steps and along some narrow flat floor trails. Awesome.





The rescued boys wave from their hospital beds after they recover from their 17 day ordeal (Image: Thai Navy SEALS)

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An excellent CNN report which includes some split screen showing the boys in the hospital room and the rescue operation in the cave. CNN discusses whether each boy was sedated throughout the rescue which is left as an open question possibility.










Rousing cheers and smiles as the divers and rescue support workers to include medical personnel emerge from the cave after all 13 were extracted and sent on to the hospital. Mission accomplished.











A ten minute summary narration by ABC Nightline which is pretty good stuff about the whole of the story. It begins with actual cell phone video of the team practicing on the field. Some views of the 45 minute bike ride to the cave. It is the whole of it condensed and that moves along briskly and well.

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Tangmo said:

~ It appears none of the boys walked at all inside the cave during the rescue. Rather, divers carried each of em ~

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Tangmo said:

~ CNN discusses whether each boy was sedated throughout the rescue ~

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It's been confirmed they were sedated. The right decision under the circumstances.

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Infinite Chaos said:

It's been confirmed they were sedated. The right decision under the circumstances.

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Carried/floated/dunked in the rapids strapped into a plastic basket apparently.....they call it a stretcher...

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Hawkeye10 said:

Carried/floated/dunked in the rapids strapped into a plastic basket apparently.....they call it a stretcher...

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Whatever it took to get them out.

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Infinite Chaos said:

Whatever it took to get them out.

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Being right (success in the mission) is always the winning argument.

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The 13 footballers rescued from a flooded cave in Chiang Rai province continued their good progress in physical and mental recovery from the ordeal at Chiangrai Prachanukroh Hospital, Public Health Ministry inspector-general Dr Thongchai Lertwilairattapong said on Friday.

Citing an update from hospital director Dr Chaiwet Thanapaisan, Thongchai said the youths' relatives were allowed to visit them on the condition that they wear a face mask and wash their hands before and after visiting.

The boys were divided into three batches in health updates: the first four brought out on July 8, the four rescued on July 9 and the last five brought out on July 10.

Thongchai said the first four had no fever, were able to eat normally, had normal eyesight while the two of them who had signs of pneumonia responded well to treatment, had normal lung X-ray results and had no blood infections.

The last five were reporting a lower fever, Thongchai said, and the one with signs of pneumonia was recovering and the three with an infection of the middle ear responded well to treatment.

There were all given a weeklong antibiotics treatment.

Thongchai said the hospital also provided mental care and consultations although they all appeared to have no stress nor worries over what happened. Counselling would continue after their release from the hospital, he added.

Families allowed to visit boys up close



Rescue operation image shows an unidentified boy lying on his left side receiving sedation. His face is partly visible through the full face mask at right.


Authorities have not said which sedative(s) were applied but ketamine has been mentioned prominently and discussed.


















A university in suburban Bangkok has awarded all 12 boys full scholarships up to PHD, noting the boys are from a lower socioeconomic background. Many people believe the children of the Seal diver Saman Kunan who sacrificed his life in the rescue effort should also be considered in a measure of compensatory awards.


Three of the rescued are stateless persons. The Thai interior ministry on Thursday promised to find a way to bestow citizenship upon Assistant Coach Ekkapol Chantawong; team captain Ponchai Kamluang, 16, and Adul Sam-on, 14; .


Ekkapol lost his parents in an accident at age 10 and was relocated to a Buddhist temple where he became a novice monk. Ponchai was born in Thailand of stateless parents from Myanmar. Adul is from a remote hill tribe in Myanmar who is cared for by a Catholic church.

Fifa has invited the 13 to the upcoming awards ceremony but the boys are not expected to attend.

Our Aussie doctor wrote a Facebook post about the rescue, he in particular praised the Thai Navy Seals and 4 British divers who laid the initial groundwork for the rescue but stress that it's a huge team effort, considering the amounts of water they had to hold back.

"I have never seen anything like it with man battling to control the natural forces of the monsoon waters.

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By the time we arrived on site, local divers like Ben Reymenants and the awesome foursome from Britain (John Volanthen, Rick Stanton, Jason Mallinson and Chris Jewell) had already been doing the most extraordinary dives through the cave and laying the very robust rope which made all subsequent dives to the soccer team not only possible, but safe. The efforts and skill of these guys in blazing this trail cannot be underestimated. Following someone else’s line is very much easier than finding your own way. Rick and John not only found the children and coach alive, but conveyed the gravity of the situation to the rest of the world and thus the rescue started in earnest. The 4 Brits then did further supply dives to the soccer players, the coach and the four Thai Navy Seals which allowed them to prepare and sustain themselves for the rescue ultimately.

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https://www.facebook.com/DoctorHarry/posts/10214384549599618

HERA the Stars said:

Our Aussie doctor wrote a Facebook post about the rescue, he in particular praised the Thai Navy Seals and 4 British divers who laid the initial groundwork for the rescue but stress that it's a huge team effort, considering the amounts of water they had to hold back.





https://www.facebook.com/DoctorHarry/posts/10214384549599618

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If the aussie doctor does not have a move deal yet I spect he will shortly.

Do we care if this makes him a wealthy man?

Hawkeye10 said:

If the aussie doctor does not have a move deal yet I spect he will shortly.

Do we care if this makes him a wealthy man?

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There's no movie deal, the guy is financially comfortable, he's living a good life, a quiet life he doesn't want nor need a movie deal but is good enough to share some information with us, it is, after all, an extraordinary event. None of these cave divers are prima donnas

HERA the Stars said:

There's no movie deal, the guy is financially comfortable, he's living a good life, a quiet life he doesn't want nor need a movie deal but is good enough to share some information with us, it is, after all, an extraordinary event. None of these cave divers are prima donnas

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We'll see.....Vox has a pretty good though thoroughly Lefty piece on the question:

https://www.vox.com/culture/2018/7/13/17566250/thai-cave-rescue-movie-pureflix-jon-chu-whitewashing

Hawkeye10 said:

If the aussie doctor does not have a move deal yet I spect he will shortly.

Do we care if this makes him a wealthy man?

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Do we really care about repeated attempts to screw up what this thread deals with?:roll:

Chagos said:

Do we really care about repeated attempts to screw up what this thread deals with?:roll:

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The after action movies I say should be included since they started immediately after the rescue, if not before, they are part of this thing.

You are free to wear blinders, but I dont live that way.

Hawkeye10 said:

The after action movies I say should be included since they started immediately after the rescue, if not before, they are part of this thing.

You are free to wear blinders, but I dont live that way.

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I was addressing your disgusting attempt to insinuate that Dr. Harris will be hell-bent on making money out of the whole incident. If you are blind to your own behavior in this context, maybe you're the one who should do something about that.

You already insinuated some posts back that the boys' coach and teacher had abandoned them down there by letting himself be taken out first, so don't come all surprised when your behavior and subsequently your character comes under question now.

I suggest that if you can't help discussing the movie angle and who is going to profit from any of that, it might be best to start a thread of your own, in the process leaving this one unsullied by any such considerations.

Chagos said:

I was addressing your disgusting attempt to insinuate that Dr. Harris will be hell-bent on making money out of the whole incident. If you are blind to your own behavior in this context, maybe you're the one who should do something about that.

You already insinuated some posts back that the boys' coach and teacher had abandoned them down there by letting himself be taken out first, so don't come all surprised when your behavior and subsequently your character comes under question now.

I suggest that if you can't help discussing the movie angle and who is going to profit from any of that, it might be best to start a thread of your own, in the process leaving this one unsullied by any such considerations.

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I could tell in the first sentence that you did not read me correctly, perhaps you should try again.

I spect given Victim Culture a lot of folks want to mainline on warm fuzzies right now, which is fine, but we Truth Tellers dont roll that way.

Hawkeye10 said:

I could tell in the first sentence that you did not read me correctly, perhaps you should try again.

I spect given Victim Culture a lot of folks want to mainline on warm fuzzies right now, which is fine, but we Truth Tellers dont roll that way.

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In the interest of what this thread is about, I'll not afford that (or you) the courtesy of any further response.

Hawkeye10 said:

I could tell in the first sentence that you did not read me correctly, perhaps you should try again.

I spect given Victim Culture a lot of folks want to mainline on warm fuzzies right now, which is fine, but we Truth Tellers dont roll that way.

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Are you the same Truth Teller who was saying the coach came out with the first group? Just to indulge a penchant for nastiness.

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Rogue Valley said:

I don't care about all that claptrap. Just stop intimating the US did the cave rescue all by herself. That's just wrong on many levels.

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While some posters are picking bones I've hardly mentioned the USA in the rescue effort. I've discussed USA-Thai relations focused on the long standing and stellar military to military relations. Germans, Brits and Aussies have among others a much greater presence in Thai society and economy than Americans have.

I quoted the interior minister saying USN rescue personnel requested by the Thai government said number one was to drain the cave as much as possible and that the minister said that was what they were going to do. USG, corporations and Americans individually do consciously keep a low profile in Thailand and my posts have reflected the fact.

I've also sought to present the modern Thailand most people do not know such as the hospitals being modern and its medical professionals being of a high quality. Many Westerns go to Thailand for major surgery and treatment because of a high quality at much less cost. These boys are in the excellent hands of Thai medical personnel and facilities. English permeates the Thai medical care system and one can find English almost anywhere in Thailand, where tourism is central to GDP.

The negative issues impossible to ignore are the idiot military government that wanted the parents in hazmat suits two meters from the kids beds. The prime minister Gen. Prayut has denied the boys were sedated. He says the boys were conscious throughout which is anyway more than anyone can say of Gen. Pinocchio since he grabbed state power. One can be sedated and conscious yes while also not retaining any memory which is what so many Thais would like to finally occur concerning Gen. Prayut and his gang. Gone and forgotten would be great.

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Tangmo said:

This attests to the influence and impact of the United States in the rescue effort and in Thailand generally which is a US mutual defense treaty ally over several decades. Putin and Xi Jinpingpong are working Thailand to come over to their side which Trump is himself in process of doing so this development is significant. That is, it shows the US maintains its military to military working relationship in Thailand over Putin in particular given the hostilities between Ukraine and the aggressor against it, Putin and the eternally imperial Russia. The ****ting bears of Russian imperialism ha.

Russians all but control the honkey-tonk tourist sex trap of Pattaya City on the Gulf of Thailand so they have money and power in Thailand. Yet the US Navy, AF and CIA among other US agencies continue to be based at the big Thai naval air base U-Tapao which is across the Gulf from Pattaya. US also has presence further south at Raynong which is the land point of the Gulf of Thailand and the South China Sea.

This is just a light touch treatment of the strategics involved in who is welcome in Thailand to assist its people in its time and circumstance of urgent need.

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What are you doing here? What are you trying to pull?

Hawkeye10 said:

If the aussie doctor does not have a move deal yet I spect he will shortly.

Do we care if this makes him a wealthy man?

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Movie deals as a result of his experiences there will be the last thing on his mind.

There were dozens of people who behaved heroically during that incredible rescue. I hope they all make a bit of cash out of it, if that's what they want. They deserve it. As for the movie deals. Too soon and almost certain to make terrible films, they almost always do. Those that leave a little time, get the right people together and do their research properly are always better. United 92 and The Impossible both spring to mind.

Military channel broadcasts first words of the 13 saying thank you from their hospital beds. Each boy and coach says he feels strong.




Each boy does the wai with hands together in the traditional gesture of respect and a greetings welcome, introduces himself, thanks the rescuers in particular and says he feels strong. Each boy also does the wai when he says thank you (kop koon kap). The greeting is of course Sawa Dee Kap.


Adul Sam-on, 14, who is learning four languages, thanks everyone in Thai and then in English (pron: A-doon). Adul is boy eight in the order of speaking although he has the number 6 bed station designation on the wall behind him. In class monitor style Adul reads the names of all 13. Asked the first thing he will do on his scheduled release Thursday Adul said, "KFC." We can hear him say KFC clearly.

Team captain Ponchai Kamluang, 16, is the 11th boy to appear. Coach Ekkapol is the last to speak and he appears absolutely healthy and happy (pron: Eka-pon). The fourth boy in the video gets laughter from the tv crew and nurses as he can barely lift his arms trying to show he feels strong while himself is chuckling and as he says, sabai dee meaning "[I am] fine [and] good."

The video concludes showing the boys drawing in silence at the request of psychiatrists to express in art whatever they are felling or thinking at the moment. There's some pretty good artwork among these athletes too and it appears the boys have a peace of mind and feelings. The first minute of the video is in the tv studio, then over to the hospital and the room. The number we see on the wall behind each boy does not of course indicate the speaking sequence.

Public Health Minister Dr. Piyasakol Sakolsatayadorn said today the 13 will be released Thursday provided nothing new develops concerning their recovery or health. It is expected the boys who are interested or willing to speak their story publicly and to take questions will meet with the mass of media toward the end of the week or early next week. Although translations will be provided during the live event, I'm interested in hearing Adul speaking in English directly.






They’re out. Now what? The future for Mu Pa football team


A group of the Wild Boars soccer team pause for a snapshot en route to Tham Luang cave June 23rd.

https://thethaiger.com/news/chiang-...at-the-future-for-mu-pa-football-team-members

If you get a chance, take some time to listen to the boys first media conference. They were supported by the Doctors who took care of them when they were rescued and the Thai Navy Seals who stayed with them in the cave. It's incredible listening to their experiences. They talked about how they came to be trapped, how they kept their morale up, their time inside the cave, lessons learned, their hope for the future and their sincere gratitude for all those involved in the search and rescue.

I cried like a baby in parts. Truly remarkable outcome.

Elon Musk on the other hand, is a jerk. He accused one of the cave rescuers of being a pedophile after his plan to build a kid sized submarine to rescue the boys was criticized.

https://money.cnn.com/2018/07/15/technology/elon-musk-thai-cave-rescue/index.html

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"We can confirm the boys are ready to go home." -- Thai Minister of Public Health



Wild Boars Arrive at Chiang Rai Community Center For Meeting With International Media


The boys and their assistant coach were formally reunited with their teammates before the event begins. The 13 were greeted by the four Navy Seals who remained with them in the cave, to include the Seal Brigadier who spoke of the boys' resourcefulness in having themselves dug at numerous spots trying to find an exit. A portrait of Seal Saman Kuman who died in the rescue effort was presented in a moment of prayer followed by silence. The youngest player age 11 is shown at the hospital running the gauntlet of a hundred hospital staff and getting his cheeks pinched before leaving the ward to be discharged Thursday. The boys were reunited with their teammates in the green jerseys at the center. The 13 chose to wear the uniforms of the football club they founded last year which is apart from the school.






Wild Boars and coach introduce themselves to begin their media meeting at community center in Chiang Rai


The first three seated L-R are Assistant Coach Ekkapol Chanthawong, 25; Team Captain Pornchai Kamluang, 16; Star Striker and Translator Adul Sam-on, 14.





The Boys and the Four Seals who remained in the cave with them kick the ball around in hospital before discharge and leaving for media meeting