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North Korea Is Not De-Nuclearizing

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North Korea Is Not De-Nuclearizing

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April 21, 2018

Over the past four months, North Korea has been saying all the right things. After weeks of silence regarding his intentions for upcoming summits with South Korea and the United States, Kim Jong Un, the leader of North Korea, made a dramatic announcement on Saturday morning, pledging unilateral limits on his nuclear weapons and missile programs. Though the announcement has been widely hailed as encouraging—President Donald Trump declared it a sign of “big progress”—it does not, in fact, set up a path to denuclearization. It does, however, open the door to capping Kim’s arsenal, keeping America and its allies safer while talks are underway. Suspension of nuclear and ICBM testing would represent significant restrictions on North Korea’s nuclear activities. But these are proposals to shape the arsenal rather than eliminate it—meaning that North Korea still has yet to say anything publicly about its intent to denuclearize. While Kim did say that Pyongyang supported the vision of “global disarmament,” this is a common trope in North Korean propaganda and suggests that North Korea will soon call for tit-for-tat arms control with the United States. All this implies that Trump’s “maximum pressure” campaign has not brought Kim to heel. Instead, Kim essentially made a declaration of his regime’s nuclear policy—the act of a confident nuclear power.

Kim’s proposed cap is only partial. He has said nothing about North Korea’s production of fissile material, which continues today at a frightening pace: The U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency has found that North Korea may be producing enough material for 12 nuclear weapons each year. In his speech, Kim made no mention of submarine-launched missiles, or of short- or medium-range missiles fired from land, which could threaten U.S. allies in the region. Furthermore, North Korea may circumvent its own limits simply by re-classifying long-range missile tests as space launches, a trick it pulled to scuttle the most recent agreement back in 2012. Furthermore, North Korea may not adhere to these commitments—it’s easy to break a self-enforced, unverified moratorium as soon as that moratorium becomes inconvenient. The key for Trump in his upcoming meeting with Kim, then, will be to convert these commitments from a partial cap to a hard cap. With his announcement on Saturday, Kim unveiled measures that many observers were hoping for as outcomes at the upcoming summit with Trump. But the United States cannot accept these measures as a victory—they’re a starting point for forging a verifiable cap on Pyongyang’s arsenal. A hard cap can keep America and its allies safer while Trump negotiates a more comprehensive agreement—something that can only happen if the president does not give in to overconfidence and optimism.

The North Koreans are (1) dedicated, (2) patient, and (3) slippery. Keep in mind that NK has been haggling with SK and the US for 65 years during tripartite talks at Panmunjom in the DMZ.
 
Trump has been having more delusions, as usual, when it comes to NoKo ........
 
Rocket Man is nothing more than the mouthpiece that is controlled by China, so all this talk about Kim this and Kim that is irrelevant. Regardless what he's done in the past, Rocket Man will only do what China tells him to do.

Trump can easily say nice things about Rocket Man because it makes Rocket Man look good and he knows who is really making the decisions.
 

Nobody, no country in its right mind would do so with the world's leading terrorist, none other than the USA, after them for 3/4 of a century.



The North Koreans are (1) dedicated, (2) patient, and (3) slippery. Keep in mind that NK has been haggling with SK and the US for 65 years during tripartite talks at Panmunjom in the DMZ.

The Americans are 1) deeply evil, 2) always impatient, and 3) conniving, and 4) did I mention 'deeply evil'?

Some 23% of Koreans murdered by the deeply evil ones, with myriad threats over 3/4 of a century to annihilate them all and these same deeply evil ones expect Korea to give up its nukes?

These folks are insane!!
 
I don't find any positive reason in the North Korean view in denuclearizing. The only reason North Korea hasn't been invaded by the US like Iraq or Afghanistan is because,

1. They have nuclear weapons that could possible begin a nuclear war
2. They have China holding their back

The phrase, 'denuclearizing' simply means halting the already finalized nuclear program North Korea has been studying for the past decades.
 
I don't find any positive reason in the North Korean view in denuclearizing. The only reason North Korea hasn't been invaded by the US like Iraq or Afghanistan is because,

1. They have nuclear weapons that could possible begin a nuclear war
2. They have China holding their back

The phrase, 'denuclearizing' simply means halting the already finalized nuclear program North Korea has been studying for the past decades.

They haven't had nukes from 1950 till recently....

And we haven't invaded them.
 
Nobody, no country in its right mind would do so with the world's leading terrorist, none other than the USA, after them for 3/4 of a century.





The Americans are 1) deeply evil, 2) always impatient, and 3) conniving, and 4) did I mention 'deeply evil'?

Some 23% of Koreans murdered by the deeply evil ones, with myriad threats over 3/4 of a century to annihilate them all and these same deeply evil ones expect Korea to give up its nukes?

These folks are insane!!

Define "after them". THEY started the war and have refused peace.
 
I don't see what is particularly different this time around where they would agree to denuclearize versus all of the other times we've ridden this merry-go-round. As much as I'd like to be optimistic that nuclear powers start moving away from the idea of MAD as a sound arms policy, North Korea is likely to repeat what it has done in the past. If any type of agreement is reached, I would hope it will be closely monitored and enforced so they don't take advantage as they have in the past. My guess? They'll agree to scale down or stop producing arms long enough to benefit from easing of sanctions, then resume when they have what they need and we'll be at square one again. I think most involved understand that military escalation isn't acceptable given the potential consequences.
 
They haven't had nukes from 1950 till recently....

And we haven't invaded them.

If America wished to have started a possible 3rd World War against China, sure they would have
 
Rocket Man is nothing more than the mouthpiece that is controlled by China, so all this talk about Kim this and Kim that is irrelevant. Regardless what he's done in the past, Rocket Man will only do what China tells him to do.

Trump can easily say nice things about Rocket Man because it makes Rocket Man look good and he knows who is really making the decisions.

I don't think any of us westerners really know the relationship between North Korea and China. These two countries have done an excellent job of keeping their inner workings to themselves unlike us whom the Russians know better than we do.

China keeps their poker hand close to their chest while Trump just won't shut his big mouth.
 
I don't like saying that I'm an optimist, but in this case I am, I think Kim has seen the world through his own eyes and not those of his Father. He could very well be ready for change, what ever his thoughts we should shut the f... up and give the impossible a chance. All of us should try to s... can the partisanship on this issue and just get along.
 
I don't think any of us westerners really know the relationship between North Korea and China. These two countries have done an excellent job of keeping their inner workings to themselves unlike us whom the Russians know better than we do.

China keeps their poker hand close to their chest while Trump just won't shut his big mouth.

Rocket Man talks tough about never giving up his nuclear program. Then he makes a special, once-in-his-lifetime trip to China. Soon after he got back home, he talks about ending his nuke program. It doesn't take a wild leap in logic to figure out what happened.

China summoned him, they made him an offer he couldn't refuse (or else) and he is now being a good boy and doing what he was told.

And all Trump had to do to make this happen was to put the economic screws to China.
 
I don't like saying that I'm an optimist, but in this case I am, I think Kim has seen the world through his own eyes and not those of his Father. He could very well be ready for change, what ever his thoughts we should shut the f... up and give the impossible a chance. All of us should try to s... can the partisanship on this issue and just get along.

Its possible that Kim is truly turning over a new leaf. It is also possible that Xi let Kim know that China no longer sees it in its interest to have NK destabilizing the region. It is also possible that Kim is trying to play the west the way his father and grandfather did so successfully. Lets give Trump a shot and see what happens
 
Rocket Man talks tough about never giving up his nuclear program. Then he makes a special, once-in-his-lifetime trip to China. Soon after he got back home, he talks about ending his nuke program. It doesn't take a wild leap in logic to figure out what happened.

China summoned him, they made him an offer he couldn't refuse (or else) and he is now being a good boy and doing what he was told.

And all Trump had to do to make this happen was to put the economic screws to China.

Yeah, Trump made a big difference. What a joke! China knows full well how duplicitous the US is and has always been, China and korea know how evil the US is and has always been. They are operating on those principles.
 
Its possible that Kim is truly turning over a new leaf. It is also possible that Xi let Kim know that China no longer sees it in its interest to have NK destabilizing the region.

China knows full well who is now and who has been destabilizing the region since the turn of last century. Y'all talk like the US has been a force for good in that region. Millions of millions slaughtered by the US tell a very different story, one that has a measure of reality, not just rank USA propaganda, which is all you folks live with.


It is also possible that Kim is trying to play the west the way his father and grandfather did so successfully. Lets give Trump a shot and see what happens

Just stop with the US terrorism. Doncha think three quarters of a century of US terrorism is long enough. How much more evil do you want your governments to inflict upon the poor of the world?
 
China knows full well who is now and who has been destabilizing the region since the turn of last century. Y'all talk like the US has been a force for good in that region. Millions of millions slaughtered by the US tell a very different story, one that has a measure of reality, not just rank USA propaganda, which is all you folks live with.




Just stop with the US terrorism. Doncha think three quarters of a century of US terrorism is long enough. How much more evil do you want your governments to inflict upon the poor of the world?

Im not interested in your anti-American crap.
 
According to whom?

It's a simple question.

I don't exactly think you get what I was trying to say.
You claimed that North Korea has only recently equipped themselves with nuclear weapons, and you said that America did not invade them like how they did towards Afghanistan and Iraq. Situation between North Korea and those two Middle Eastern nation is and was completly different. Which major nation were those two nations supported by? Which major nation was supporting and was guaranteeing the independence of North Korea back then? China. US declration of war against the N Koreans would have brought the Chinese into the war, meaning it could have led into some sort of a world conflict.
 
Yeah, Trump made a big difference. What a joke! China knows full well how duplicitous the US is and has always been, China and korea know how evil the US is and has always been. They are operating on those principles.

Neither China nor NK have had any incentive, in the past, to take the positions they are taking now. What has changed?

There is only one thing.
 
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