China says Trump wants 'regional hegemony' in South China Sea

CCP Prime Minister Li Kijiang who speaks fluent English said it best and in the original terms when he was governor of a developing province back in 2007.

In a conversation then with the U.S. ambassador, Li said the GDP and all data coming out of Beijing "are man-made" data. Li confirmed what the world suspected so we've since known with certainty that while figures don't lie, liars know how to figure.

CCP Dictators in Beijing are, well, dictators. They are censoring punishing dictators. They have nothing for me, my country or its allies, partners, friends, that we want. Dictators however don't care what people want or don't want now do they.

Screw 'em.

flogger said:

They are booming off the back of their own efforts. That this impacts not just the US but every other developed country is just too bad. Indeed one might say its belated justice after centuries of Western exploitation of China

So what ? It is expanding as the Chinese economy expands. This has happened with every booming economy and its still just 2% of their GDP just like it was decades ago. The world average for defence spending is 2.6% GDP BTW

It is for them. Its the US that wants to provoke a new arms race not China. Its what these US naval provocations are all about in Chinese waters

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Not 100% true.

Much of their production is carbon copy ripoffs of non-Chinese origin. Many of their cars are reverse engineered from European designs.

Their counterfeiting laws do not respect copyrights external to China.

Want a $500 US computer program, pay $20US in a Chinese store.

Go to any flea market of any size. Counterfeit after counterfeit.

China seems not only to make everything, it fakes just about everything as well.

Charles Scholz is a genuine, fake buster. As the Asia director for the security consulting firm, Kroll Associates, he is hired by international corporations to root out and help shut down the counterfeiters.

When inspecting a pair of ski gloves with a North Face label emblazoned prominently, Scholz determined, "The tag is real, the product is not." Not only would these gloves not keep you dry, "If you buy this, you get soaked."

Chinese counterfeiting now costs foreign firms an estimated $20 billion a year in lost profits. "In the case of one consumer goods manufacturer, as much as 70 percent of the goods on the market are counterfeits," said Scholz.

Buying the Label, not Quality

Just across the border from Hong Kong, the town of Shenzhen has become a Mecca for cheap knockoffs.

With small cameras under wraps, ABCNEWS found an amazing variety and quantity of copies. Not only were there the latest DVDs, like Monsters, Inc. for $1 each, the latest software, like the newest version of PhotoShop and Windows, at one-tenth the cost, but just about every consumer product imaginable.

Most of the Yamaha motorbikes here are not made by Yamaha. One-fourth of the Duracell and Energizer batteries are bogus. American Standard toilets, Head & Shoulders shampoo, Gillette razors and even reliable Skippy peanut butter are almost all of dubious quality. They even sell fake Viagra.

But counterfeiting is now so big, officials are reluctant to shut it down completely, since it provides millions of badly needed jobs.

China Big in Counterfeit Goods - ABC News

flogger said:

They are booming off the back of their own efforts. That this impacts not just the US but every other developed country is just too bad. Indeed one might say its belated justice after centuries of Western exploitation of Chinal



So what ? It is expanding as the Chinese economy expands. This has happened with every booming economy and its still just 2% of their GDP just like it was decades ago. The world average for defence spending is 2.6% GDP BTW



It is for them. Its the US that wants to provoke a new arms race not China. Its what these US naval provocations are all about in Chinese waters

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You are a hopeless apologist for china.

Without exports to America china would be in deep **** economically.

flogger said:

Why ? Because they are getting to be an inconveniently effective economic competitor ?

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No, because they are akin to mordor..

Militant_Vegan_ said:

we need to knock FOX news watchers off of their lazy boys

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Give it a shot then..

The counterfeiting is a part of the overall packaged swindle CCP Boyz in Beijing provide to the people of the People's Republic.

It's a part of providing jobs, income, money velocity, commerce in renting closet shops to sell faked goods and transportation delivery services and the like. If the Boyz in Beijing shut this down they would renege on their promise to make historic China great again. Xi Jinping would have to pop the bubble of his "China Dream" society which isn't going very well as it is -- another Potemkim Village thingy.

Reality is historic China faded by the 15th century thereby giving way to the Millennium of the West and we haven't looked back since. China has been wandering the wilderness the past 600 years with no hope in sight of ever restoring its ancient and relatively simple good times.

Mac77 said:

You are a hopeless apologist for china.

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Apologist for what exactly ? Daring to challenge the US economically ?

Without exports to America china would be in deep **** economically.

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I suspect not nearly as deeply in the doo doo as America would be without them

There is a new sheriff in town and he's focused on the lawless CCP Boyz in Beijing. So...

We should probably all start paying attention to economic sanctions as a new factor in the U.S.-China relationship.
Economic sanctions may become an important, even crucial, factor in U.S.-China relations. .

https://lawfareblog.com/will-president-elect-trump-fire-first-shot-us-china-economic-sanctions-war

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The long standing Washington taboo against economic sanctions on Beijing is beginning to crumble as Republicans in Congress are moving to further enable Potus to impose sanctions for Beijing's actions in the South China Sea.

U.S. has a financial weapons arsenal virtually equal to the military strength it has in dealing with the CCP Dictators in Beijing. And it looks like more financial and economic weapons are coming to Trump to use if he likes. This would be a radical departure and it would fundamentally change US-CCP relations. It is long past time for a major overhaul of USA-CCP relations.

Rubio Calls for Sanctions on Beijing for South China Sea Antics


If it becomes law, it would require the U.S. president to execute a range of punitive sanctions against Chinese individuals and entities for activities in the South China Sea and in turn sanction third-party financial institutions that interact with those entities knowingly. Rubio’s proposals also contain important changes to U.S. policy, such as restricting foreign aid to states that may side with China’s position on disputes in the East and South China Seas and, more importantly, shifting the long-standing U.S. position on not taking sides in questions of territorial sovereignty in maritime disputes (with some exceptions).

As a South China Sea-watcher, there’s no doubt that the changes proposed here, if enacted, would represent an immense shift in U.S. policy to these disputes.

US Sanctions Against China Over the East and South China Seas: A Serious Proposal? | The Diplomat


As I'd noted, CCP Boyz in Beijing aren't laughing any more. They are in fact burning the midnight oil reading Trump's books.

Fledermaus said:

Not 100% true.

Much of their production is carbon copy ripoffs of non-Chinese origin. Many of their cars are reverse engineered from European designs.

Their counterfeiting laws do not respect copyrights external to China.

Want a $500 US computer program, pay $20US in a Chinese store.

Go to any flea market of any size. Counterfeit after counterfeit.

China seems not only to make everything, it fakes just about everything as well.

Charles Scholz is a genuine, fake buster. As the Asia director for the security consulting firm, Kroll Associates, he is hired by international corporations to root out and help shut down the counterfeiters.

When inspecting a pair of ski gloves with a North Face label emblazoned prominently, Scholz determined, "The tag is real, the product is not." Not only would these gloves not keep you dry, "If you buy this, you get soaked."

Chinese counterfeiting now costs foreign firms an estimated $20 billion a year in lost profits. "In the case of one consumer goods manufacturer, as much as 70 percent of the goods on the market are counterfeits," said Scholz.

Buying the Label, not Quality

Just across the border from Hong Kong, the town of Shenzhen has become a Mecca for cheap knockoffs.

With small cameras under wraps, ABCNEWS found an amazing variety and quantity of copies. Not only were there the latest DVDs, like Monsters, Inc. for $1 each, the latest software, like the newest version of PhotoShop and Windows, at one-tenth the cost, but just about every consumer product imaginable.

Most of the Yamaha motorbikes here are not made by Yamaha. One-fourth of the Duracell and Energizer batteries are bogus. American Standard toilets, Head & Shoulders shampoo, Gillette razors and even reliable Skippy peanut butter are almost all of dubious quality. They even sell fake Viagra.

But counterfeiting is now so big, officials are reluctant to shut it down completely, since it provides millions of badly needed jobs.

China Big in Counterfeit Goods - ABC News

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Big deal I like cheap Chinese knock offs. Perhaps you should get more competative

Mac77 said:

Correction.

China reports spending 2%

No one knows the real number

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Well unless you can give evidence to the contrary thats just your subjective speculation. I seriously doubt China has any intention to try and match US defence expenditure when they are already beating them economically.

They seem to be quite happy to watch the US deplete is coffers in a one sided arms race because they know this just brings closer the day when China will assume global economic hegemon

celticwar17 said:

I don't care how much the US spends on it's military, it's completely irrelevant to this discussion...

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Hardly

I mean I do care, I wish it was less, but the US has the military spending it has for good reason, the US provides the security for half the world and is the only power keeping China and Russia in check... which has brought peace in the last 70 years with no direct wars between the highest economy powers.

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It appears the US wants to provoke one nonetheless because China is by far the biggest economic threat to its hegemon its faced since WW2

And China doesn't just declare hegemony... they outright ignore sovereignty of countries like Taiwan. If the US did not keep China in check, they would be taking over the entire southeast Asia.

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This too is nonsense and the US track record in this area is far worse than China

flogger said:

Big deal I like cheap Chinese knock offs. Perhaps you should get more competative

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So, Copyright laws mean nothing. Got it.

That and it's hard to be competitive with a nation that allows wholesale knockoffs and supports an auto industry ripping off real car designers and producing at extremely low cost due to lack of pollution, employment, OSHA regulation.

Tell me.

The UK USED to be a world leader in ship building, car manufacture and motorcycles. Japan and S. Korea pretty much laid your industries to waste without resorting to China like shenanigans.

How did that feel?

Fledermaus said:

So, Copyright laws mean nothing. Got it.

That and it's hard to be competitive with a nation that allows wholesale knockoffs and supports an auto industry ripping off real car designers and producing at extremely low cost due to lack of pollution, employment, OSHA regulation.

Tell me.

The UK USED to be a world leader in ship building, car manufacture and motorcycles. Japan and S. Korea pretty much laid your industries to waste without resorting to China like shenanigans.

How did that feel?

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Well we certainly didn't sail carrier battlegroups into their area to intimidate them in the hope of starting a new arms race over copyright infringement thats for sure.

flogger said:

They are booming off the back of their own efforts. That this impacts not just the US but every other developed country is just too bad. Indeed one might say its belated justice after centuries of Western exploitation of China



So what ? It is expanding as the Chinese economy expands. This has happened with every booming economy and its still just 2% of their GDP just like it was decades ago. The world average for defence spending is 2.6% GDP BTW



It is for them. Its the US that wants to provoke a new arms race not China. Its what these US naval provocations are all about in Chinese waters

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Expansion into the South China Sea by the CCP Dictators in Beijing is their Sudetenland military test.

CCP Dictators in Beijing do intend to dominate the globe by economics. However, as we see, the initial military aspects of their expansion are underway in the SCS. And in the East Sea against Japan. All focused on territorial claims over islands or islets, reefs, archipelagos, bunches of rocks; tens of thousands of square miles of water.

President Obama held off CCP in the SCS, with Scarborough Shoal off Manila being the key and final link in the CCP scheme. CCP has possessed control over Scarborough since 2012 but Pres. Obama made clear to Xi Jinping Scarborough is included in the US-Philippine mutual defense treaty so CCP have let it be, which has been the new status quo in SCS.

President Trump is going to overturn the table and throw the chairs out the window into the drink. To Trump and his tough and policy minded China-Taiwan advisers, to struggle in the SCS is insignificant when Taiwan is the huge number one with the CCP Dictators. The benefits to reversing CCP Dictators in SCS will accrue once the new sheriff and his posse has finished whipping CCP Dictators over Taiwan.

Taiwan is the big issue between CCP Dictators and the United States and the entire east Asia and western Pacific region, from India to Hawaii. Trump is going to break the CCP on Taiwan. After that, Sudetenland, er, South China Sea, Taiwan and the entire region will remain intact as countering and containing the CCP Dictators both militarily and in their grandiose design to dominate the world in economics backed up by military means.

The new sheriff in town has just put up notice the CCP Dictators in Beijing are going to have to check their guns and their wallets at the town line before they can enter. What CCP Fanboyz fail to recognize or realize is that military and economics are inextricably intertwined. SCS is the CCP's initial military adventure to gradually support its regional and global design to dominate in economics and finance, first the region then the globe.

So CCP Dictators in Beijing just got served notice that Taiwan is no longer within their grasp. Which means everything CCP has planned and designed has to go back to the drawing board. Everything.

Fledermaus said:

So, Copyright laws mean nothing. Got it.

That and it's hard to be competitive with a nation that allows wholesale knockoffs and supports an auto industry ripping off real car designers and producing at extremely low cost due to lack of pollution, employment, OSHA regulation.

Tell me.

The UK USED to be a world leader in ship building, car manufacture and motorcycles. Japan and S. Korea pretty much laid your industries to waste without resorting to China like shenanigans.

How did that feel?

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Indeed.

Perhaps the poster you replied to so effectively does not know how UK and France are becoming directly involved in the South China Sea...



British fighter planes [currently] visiting Japan will fly over the South China Sea and Britain will sail aircraft carriers in the Pacific once they are operational in 2020, given concerns about freedom of navigation there, Britain's ambassador to the United States said on Thursday.


RAF Typhoon


The envoy, Kim Darroch, told a Washington think tank that British Typhoon aircraft currently deployed on a visit to Japan would fly across disputed parts of the South China Sea to assert international overflight rights.

Speaking at an event also attended by Japan's ambassador to Washington, Darroch said: "Certainly, as we bring our two new aircraft carriers onstream in 2020, and as we renew and update our defense forces, they will be seen in the Pacific.

"And we absolutely share the objective of this US administration, and the next one, to protect freedom of navigation and to keep sea routes and air routes open."

British fighters to fly over South China Sea - envoy




South China Sea: The French Are Coming

France, also an Indo-Pacific nation, has its own stake in the South China Sea.

To the surprise of many, a seemingly unrelated European power, France, has announced its intention of coordinating the navies of fellow European Union nations to conduct Freedom of Navigation Operations or FONOPs in South China Sea.

At the Shangri-la Dialogue in Singapore, French Defense Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian mentioned this initiative for joint EU patrols of “the maritime areas of Asia” and for a “regular and visible presence there.”



Several ships of the Pacific Naval Fleet of France to include a part-time participation by the aircraft carrier Charles de Gaul. France is the only European country to have an active full time fleet in the Pacific.


The French initiative was generally interpreted as a bad news for Beijing, who was already irritated by what it sees as “outside interference” by the United States and its allies in China’s territorial feuds with countries bordering South China Sea.

The French initiative thus has the potential of further weakening China’s position by conspicuously bringing Europe in as an additional heavyweight to the international pressure for respecting the rule of law, represented by The Hague-based arbitration court’s ruling.

South China Sea: The French Are Coming | The Diplomat


President-Elect Trump would of course be wise to recognize the United States has allies of a long standing, and that allied partners are invaluable to the defense of the country and vice-versa. UK and France are central Nato allies who do meet their share of defense spending and who do reliably come to the aid and assistance of USA when there is clarity and integrity to the strategic objective and goals.

flogger said:

Well we certainly didn't sail carrier battlegroups into their area to intimidate them in the hope of starting a new arms race over copyright infringement thats for sure.

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Does england still have carriers?

Now that its run by bedwetting progressives what would it need them for?

flogger said:

Well we certainly didn't sail carrier battlegroups into their area to intimidate them in the hope of starting a new arms race over copyright infringement thats for sure.

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Holy Irrelevancies Batman.....

No, you laid down and your factories closed.

And, have you evidence of a carrier battlegroup into the area in the hope of starting a new arms race over copyright infringement?

Tangmo said:

Expansion into the South China Sea by the CCP Dictators in Beijing is their Sudetenland military test.

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How many warships has China got off your western seaboard then ?

Its the US wants to provoke military conflict because its losing the economic war with China. Its as simple as that

Your government tells you who to hate and you hate them. You guys really have learned absolutely nothing from history have you ?

flogger said:

How many warships has China got off your western seaboard then ?

Its the US wants to provoke military conflict because its losing the economic war with China. Its as simple as that

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CCP Dictators in Beijing are censoring and punishing tyrants who indoctrinate via Party control of all state media and whose corruption is astronomical and unprecedented.

The economy is tanking starting with the $24 Trillion housing and property bubble that's already begun to burst as some 60 ghost cities have to be knocked down to build again to keep things rolling over there.

Rolling straight downhill.

Seven of the ten countries of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations are mortified of CCP Tyrants to the point the nations are buying submarines and all kinds of missiles, from everyone to include Russia, Israel, France and others.

Washington revealed on Wednesday that CCP Dictators have placed missile installations on three artificial islands in the Spratlys in the southernmost South China Sea. Which is one reason CCP Dictator-Tyrants seized the drone underwater recon craft, i.e., just to do something but nothing serious or consequential.

CCP had to give up last year on its multiple unsuccessful attempts to take down a USAF Eagle Recon drone from over the CCP claimed islands of the SCS. CCP and its PLA had tried and tried to bring down an Eagle in shallow waters so they could have a prize. But the Tyrants in Beijing were completely unsuccessful as the Eagle guidance system receives all jamming messages after launch as instructions to complete the mission.

So here we instead and out of embarrassing CCP desperation have CCP steaming right into a Navy drone recon craft they can just pick out of the water then head on home with.

This is not worth starting a war over or even taking a swing to land a punch. It in fact reveals the CCP-PLA and Navy and Air Force weaknesses and failures. More coming soon so hide and watch.

Taiwan is btw a copious and invaluable source of U.S. intelligence about the mainland CCP China and the SCS. In human intelligence and in signals intelligence. The Dictator-Tyrants in Beijing know this yet they can't sink or snatch Taiwan can they.

flogger said:

How many warships has China got off your western seaboard then ?

Its the US wants to provoke military conflict because its losing the economic war with China. Its as simple as that

Your government tells you who to hate and you hate them. You guys really have learned absolutely nothing from history have you ?

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What a crock.

China has been bullying those sea lanes for the past two decades.

Pacific Fleet Commander Admiral Scott Swift said this week CCP Dictators in Beijing are militarizing the South China Sea and have begun interfering with the $5 Trillion of trade traffic that traverses the sea annually...


Admiral Scott Swift commander U.S. Navy Pacific Fleets speaking in his Pearl Harbor offices, Honolulu Hawaii. Adm. Swift commands the 7th and the 5th Fleets.


In a speech in Honolulu on Monday, the commander, Adm. Scott H. Swift of the United States Pacific Fleet, said commercial ships that had previously sailed freely through international shipping lanes were being diverted from areas deemed to be too close to the artificial islands built by the Chinese in the Spratly archipelago.

Admiral Swift said that the “unilateral assertiveness” [by Beijing] was becoming a trend that was “unacceptable.”

Countries in the region are being forced to finance their navies beyond what is needed for self-defense, he said, implying that this was heightening the risk of an arms race.

Although Admiral Swift did not say as much, it was clear he was referring to China.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/16/w...edCoverage&region=EndOfArticle&pgtype=article


U.S. ally Australia continues to fly recon missions over the SCS from an air base in Malaysia. Australian Air Force has ignored warnings by CCP Dictator-Tyrants in Beijing to steer clear of the islands and CCP facilities.

Peter Jennings, executive director of the Australian Strategic Policy Institute in the capital Canberra suggested that events in the SCS are plainly becoming unresolvable by diplomatic means. And yes, this is especially true since the CCP Dictator-Tyrants aggressively rejected the decision against them in July by the UN sponsored Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague that CCP Dictators were in an almost complete violation of the UN Treaty on the International Law of the Sea, signed by Beijing in 1994.

Jennings said...

The tone of Admiral Swift’s speech showed that the standoff between China and the United States and its allies over the South China Sea was becoming increasingly difficult to resolve.

“It’s very hard to see how there can be a compromise between China’s assertion of sovereign control over the vast majority of the South China Sea inside the Nine Dash Line and freedom of navigation,” he said, referring to a line drawn by the Chinese that roughly encircles more than 80 percent of the waterway.

Asked on Tuesday about the warning from the Chinese Navy, Mr. Hong of the Chinese Foreign Ministry said that China had “indisputable sovereignty” over the Spratly Islands.

China installs weapons systems on artificial islands: U.S. think tank | Reuters


CCP Tyrants in Beijing are set and certain. Beijing said openly early this year that it would be "unfortunate" if an Australian air patrol craft were to "suddenly drop out of the sky." These are arrogant and aggressive, belligerent dictator-tyrants who are certain they can bully and boss everyone in the region and, especially, U.S. allies.

CCP Dictators have been pursuing their key strategy to try to separate U.S. allies and treaty partners throughout the region from the United States.

So what's really indisputable is that there's a bad moon rising over the South China Sea. CCP Dictators will force a confrontation, coming soon.

RetiredUSN said:

What a crock.

China has been bullying those sea lanes for the past two decades.

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I repeat. How many warships has China got off your Western seaboard ?

Come to that how many wars has she initiated in the last 50 years and how many military bases has she built to encircle you ?

Stick with your programming bud :roll:

flogger said:

I repeat. How many warships has China got off your Western seaboard ?

Come to that how many wars has she initiated in the last 50 years ?

Stick with your programming bud :roll:

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How many warships that China has off the coast of the USA has nothing to do with them bullying the international sea lanes in the direct vicinity of 15 different nations, and acting in violation of the UNCLOS agreement of 1973, and 1982.

RetiredUSN said:

How many warships that China has off the coast of the USA has nothing to do with them bullying the international sea lanes in the direct vicinity of 15 different nations, and acting in violation of the UNCLOS agreement of 1973, and 1982.

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How many naval battlegroups has China sent to bully other countries with then and how many conflicts has she initiated ?

flogger said:

Nonsense. Put it this way how would you feel if China tried to declare hegemony of the seas off your Pacific seaboard ?

As for it being the most dangerous country lets give that some context by looking at the relative military spending

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China spends 2% of its GDP on defence which is pretty much the average for most developed countries and which hasn't changed much in 20 years.

The US spends 4.5% GDP which represents over half of its tax dollars

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Reposting for emphasis.

To add to this, who cares what China says, OP?