Avengers Endgame (Spoilers)

There's like 12 movie theatres at the mall near my house, and they're all showing this one movie. All the tickets for the afternoon and evening have been sold out, so we're trying our luck for the late night show in about 6 hours. I'll post my review then.

Holy **** is it good. Very predictable, but really well done, and one of the best time-travel plots in a movie.

Had to watch the midnight showing and by the time it ended it was like 330am. My son was fast asleep. I left right away since I spoke to the usher beforehand and he told me there was no post credits scene.

Some deaths were unexpected. I guess RDJ had enough of the characters so he went out with a bang, though I think Scarlett Johanssen will be back since there's gonna be a Black Widow TV series.

OK, now that I got some rest, here is some more in depth stuff.

PROS:
- features everyone in the MCU, even cameos from the ones who had died in previous movies.
- although mostly predictable, there were some curve balls thrown, like the fate of Iron Man and Black Widow.
- Hawkeye and Ant Man finally get their time in the sun.
- Cap wielding Thor's hammer was an expected and nice touch.

CONs:
- movie was way way too long, about 3 hours
- very slow start for the first hour
- many of the returning heroes were nothing more than glorified cameos (ie spiderman, Dr. Strange, Black Panther)
- Captain Marvel's buildup became a dud. She didnt really factor in much, and in the end was just an extended cameo.


All in all, not a bad send off for a number of the characters. It's an above average movie for me, just somewhat way too long and convoluted. 7/10

PoS said:

OK, now that I got some rest, here is some more in depth stuff.

PROS:
- features everyone in the MCU, even cameos from the ones who had died in previous movies.
- although mostly predictable, there were some curve balls thrown, like the fate of Iron Man and Black Widow.
- Hawkeye and Ant Man finally get their time in the sun.
- Cap wielding Thor's hammer was an expected and nice touch.

CONs:
- movie was way way too long, about 3 hours
- very slow start for the first hour
- many of the returning heroes were nothing more than glorified cameos (ie spiderman, Dr. Strange, Black Panther)
- Captain Marvel's buildup became a dud. She didnt really factor in much, and in the end was just an extended cameo.


All in all, not a bad send off for a number of the characters. It's an above average movie for me, just somewhat way too long and convoluted. 7/10

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The first hour was a little slow, but they had to deal with the fallout and abrupt ending of the last movie. I don't think it was that bad, though.

I'm actually glad the movie was more focused on the OG 6. The Russos weren't even going to let Cap Marvel in at the last minute and kept her out of IW because they were trying to have a better closure. They were told it was part of the deal, though, so they kept her minimal.

Personally, I think she ranks right down there with the Hulk movie and really don't care for the character or acting on Cap Marvel, but that's a whole different review.

I'm not sure I care for the end of Tony's arc, especially after a few teases the brothers did in their interviews, but it at least felt complete.

PoS said:

OK, now that I got some rest, here is some more in depth stuff.

PROS:
- features everyone in the MCU, even cameos from the ones who had died in previous movies.
- although mostly predictable, there were some curve balls thrown, like the fate of Iron Man and Black Widow.
- Hawkeye and Ant Man finally get their time in the sun.
- Cap wielding Thor's hammer was an expected and nice touch.

CONs:
- movie was way way too long, about 3 hours
- very slow start for the first hour
- many of the returning heroes were nothing more than glorified cameos (ie spiderman, Dr. Strange, Black Panther)
- Captain Marvel's buildup became a dud. She didnt really factor in much, and in the end was just an extended cameo.


All in all, not a bad send off for a number of the characters. It's an above average movie for me, just somewhat way too long and convoluted. 7/10

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I'd give it higher marks, but maybe that's just because I saw it on opening day, something I haven't done with a movie event since Return of the Jedi.

I went with my youngest daughter who really really loved it, which is enough for me. She did have to funny observation that if Peter Parker was gone for 5 years why was his best friend still in High School? We discussed it and realized that he must have been one of the people who vanished in IW.

Simply brilliant.

I was for sure Tony Stark was going to live. Was wrong on that one, and was emotionally gut punched there. The length was perfect, all the characters needed time to breathe. If it was shorter, it would've felt rushed.

Also, turns out Ant-Man just really wanted to get inside America's ass, not Thanos' ass. The time travel stuff was amazing; I love time travel story lines and they nailed this one. Fat Thor was amazing. So many more thoughts, but at a loss for words.

Oh, and Captain Marvel's lesbian haircut gave me life. LIFE! <3

Your Star said:

Oh, and Captain Marvel's lesbian haircut gave me life. LIFE! <3

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LOL are you saying that all women with short haircuts are lesbians? :2razz:

It was as good as it could have possibly been under the enormous weight of expectations and the monumental task of writing and characterization it had to pull off.

It is a unrivalled Triumph and probably could never be matched again for what they have achieved over the last 10 years.

I didn’t worry about the earlier slow bits, that was fine, I think it built up nicely, it was probably too long but I won’t complain in this instance.

Where I think things did drag on was the ending, kinda reminded me a little bit of Return of the King that way, was kind of like, oh, another scene, oh, another scene.

But again, you could find gripes in anything but given the task ahead of them, a task they so easily could have screwed up, a task that so easily could have slipped away from them and lead to a disappointed audience... Somehow they did it.

And let’s not forget, it’ll probably make a ****zillion dollars, so there’s also that.

PoS said:

LOL are you saying that all women with short haircuts are lesbians? :2razz:

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I'm saying Captain Marvel is very gay. :2razz:

Your Star said:

I'm saying Captain Marvel is very gay. :2razz:

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Ya know, it doesn't help feminism very much if you just automatically lump all bad ass females into the butch lesbian category.

I haven't seen the movie but did just see an entertaining WaPo article about the movie.

Here's the headline "Why Captain America’s farewell is so special to the writers of ‘Avengers: Endgame’"

Here's the first line of the article - "Haven’t seen “Avengers: Endgame”? Don’t worry — this story is spoiler-free."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/arts-entertainment/2019/04/26/why-captain-americas-farewell-is-so-special-writers-avengers-endgame/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.67180945e80e

Maybe it's just me but isn't "Captain America's farewell" kind of a spoiler...like a really, really big spoiler?

Jetboogieman said:

It was as good as it could have possibly been under the enormous weight of expectations and the monumental task of writing and characterization it had to pull off.

It is a unrivalled Triumph and probably could never be matched again for what they have achieved over the last 10 years.

I didn’t worry about the earlier slow bits, that was fine, I think it built up nicely, it was probably too long but I won’t complain in this instance.

Where I think things did drag on was the ending, kinda reminded me a little bit of Return of the King that way, was kind of like, oh, another scene, oh, another scene.

But again, you could find gripes in anything but given the task ahead of them, a task they so easily could have screwed up, a task that so easily could have slipped away from them and lead to a disappointed audience... Somehow they did it.

And let’s not forget, it’ll probably make a ****zillion dollars, so there’s also that.

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World Wide estimates are a billion dollars on opening weekend.

Probably old, since it would probably have been created for IW, but google "Thanos" and then click the gauntlet in the top right. :lol:

Also.. one huge loose end: What did Captain America do with Mjolnir?!

jmotivator said:

Ya know, it doesn't help feminism very much if you just automatically lump all bad ass females into the butch lesbian category.

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Did you see Captain Marvel? The gayness flowed from the screen like a rainbow waterfall.

Lutherf said:

I haven't seen the movie but did just see an entertaining WaPo article about the movie.

Here's the headline "Why Captain America’s farewell is so special to the writers of ‘Avengers: Endgame’"

Here's the first line of the article - "Haven’t seen “Avengers: Endgame”? Don’t worry — this story is spoiler-free."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/arts-entertainment/2019/04/26/why-captain-americas-farewell-is-so-special-writers-avengers-endgame/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.67180945e80e

Maybe it's just me but isn't "Captain America's farewell" kind of a spoiler...like a really, really big spoiler?

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Chris Evans stated it was his last time playing Cap a while ago. Something that was publicly out there going in, just didn't know what was going to happen.

I mean, Captain America is still technically there though. I would love a new Captain America movie staring Sam as Cap.

I was really bummed that it was a time travel movie. Thanos obtained and then destroyed the time stone... but... the solution was still a time travel do over somehow? Seemed like lazy writing. I could think of 10 different ways they could've presented a unique plot, and I'm not even a movie writer. The movie was too long. They could've trimmed out at least a half hour of extraneous long and drawn out moments, if not more. Captain Marvel was a big let down. They built her up through her own movie and then she barely played a part. I wanted to really see her try going toe to toe with Thanos for more than 20 seconds.

It seemed like one of those "how many superheros can we fit into one movie" movies, kind of like X-men. If you add too many people it waters the whole thing down.

I did not find the marvel series all that good. Visually it was well done, scripturally it was mostly bad. They invested so much into the look and feel of the universe that they didn't bother writing compelling dialogue. Most of it was silly, witty banter (that I am now noticing is entering the every day parlance of a lot of young people), and some of the plot devices were horrible. I think the worst one was in Infinity War when they were about to pull the glove off of Thanos, and Quill decided to get emotional and smack him back awake. It just made no sense and reeked of lazy writing.

How 2014 Thanos got involved in the time travel plot was also lazy writing. Oh, Nebula from the past is somehow quantum entangled with Nebula from the future, and now we can know everything she's thinking! Really?

I watch and read a lot of sci fi, and when they do "do overs" through time travel, you know that the series is done for. It cheapens the seriousness consequences of Infinity War. If they took 10% of the visual effects budget and used it to hire the best of the best writers, they could've created a timeless series. But IMO this will not age well.

I'll give credit where credit is due though. They touched on every movie in the series through the time travel plot, which was sort of a reward for having sat through them all. (It's also a clever way to get newcomers to go back and watch them all, if they start with Infinity War and End Game.) I also like how Thanos and his army were defeated.

Your Star said:

Chris Evans stated it was his last time playing Cap a while ago. Something that was publicly out there going in, just didn't know what was going to happen.

I mean, Captain America is still technically there though. I would love a new Captain America movie staring Sam as Cap.

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That is the one hand-off that had me **** my head a bi. But after writing like 5 different versions of a nerdy exposition on why, with superhero theory and so on, I just deleted the last one and wrote this sentence instead. :lol:

jmotivator said:

Probably old, since it would probably have been created for IW, but google "Thanos" and then click the gauntlet in the top right. :lol:

Also.. one huge loose end: What did Captain America do with Mjolnir?!

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He returned it to it's proper place in time during Thor: The Dark World. Just like he had to return the infinity stones to their proper place in time.

Your Star said:

He returned it to it's proper place in time during Thor: The Dark World. Just like he had to return the infinity stones to their proper place in time.

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Ooooh, good point!

I feel like all the people saying the time travel plot was great haven’t seen a lot of time travel movies. That part was a big meh. I mean they used talk to a dead parent trope not once but twice.

Cap grabbing Thor’s hammer was great.

I liked all the in jokes, those were a nice touch.

I thought the all woman attack was shoe horned into the movie pretty awfully. I just had to roll my eyes at that.

Overall one of the best marvel movies. I don’t see the marvel universe being this good again especially with out Robert Downy and Chris Evans

Holy titty****inging Jesus was it good. The best of the Marvel movies by a big margin in my opinion. I wouldn't quite call it perfect, there were a couple of things I didn't really like, particularly how Captain Marvel was used more as a deus ex machina plot device rather than an actual character, but overall it was spectacular. Scarlet Witch going balls to the wall and beating Thanos like a runaway slave was by far my favorite part of the movie.

Tony Stark dying was not unexpected, because RDJ contact was ended, and he didn't renew. Also with Capt America, and I think the writing of their characters out of the marvel universe was done right. I did see a cameo of someone I used to play volley ball with, he had a whole single line... (Jim Starling created the Thanos character, as well as Gamora , Shang-Chi, and Drax the destroyer. ) He also wrote the whole infinity war comic back in 1982).

RAMOSS said:

Tony Stark dying was not unexpected, because RDJ contact was ended, and he didn't renew. Also with Capt America, and I think the writing of their characters out of the marvel universe was done right. I did see a cameo of someone I used to play volley ball with, he had a whole single line... (Jim Starling created the Thanos character, as well as Gamora , Shang-Chi, and Drax the destroyer. ) He also wrote the whole infinity war comic back in 1982).

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Yeah, note to Disney on how to respectfully and skillfully write out beloved characters and not alienate your entire audience, *cough* Star Wars *cough*

Crovax said:

I feel like all the people saying the time travel plot was great haven’t seen a lot of time travel movies. That part was a big meh. I mean they used talk to a dead parent trope not once but twice.

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Yeah, Time Travel is, a bit of a cop out from a writing perspective and it's also interesting that despite one of the objectives being the time stone, it didn't involve using the time stone, I mean they kind of made fun of themselves for utilizing time travel as a plot device and I appreciate that because time travel is massively problematic from a story telling perspective and in these particular cases you just have to turn off your brain because the moment you begin to actually think about a time travel plot, it immediately will fall apart because it will NEVER make sense.

Crovax said:

Overall one of the best marvel movies. I don’t see the marvel universe being this good again especially with out Robert Downy and Chris Evans

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I see the Genre falling from grace after this, I mean what reason do I now need to go see more Superhero movies?

I've had my 11 years in the waiting Superhero Shaking Orgasm, I.E. Endgame and what in the world could top what they've achieved here?

Genre fatigue will set in, they might see some success with Guardians of the Galaxy 3 and maybe a couple of others but I think tickets sales will fall and the great Superhero golden age will come to an end.

Jetboogieman said:

Yeah, Time Travel is, a bit of a cop out from a writing perspective and it's also interesting that despite one of the objectives being the time stone, it didn't involve using the time stone, I mean they kind of made fun of themselves for utilizing time travel as a plot device and I appreciate that because time travel is massively problematic from a story telling perspective and in these particular cases you just have to turn off your brain because the moment you begin to actually think about a time travel plot, it immediately will fall apart because it will NEVER make sense.

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Yes they did make fun of the time stone thing but there are plenty of ways to do a time travel plot that work out well. The one in Harry Potter was done well IMO even though I dont really care for that series in general.

I see the Genre falling from grace after this, I mean what reason do I now need to go see more Superhero movies?

I've had my 11 years in the waiting Superhero Shaking Orgasm, I.E. Endgame and what in the world could top what they've achieved here?

Genre fatigue will set in, they might see some success with Guardians of the Galaxy 3 and maybe a couple of others but I think tickets sales will fall and the great Superhero golden age will come to an end.

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Depends on what genre you are talking about. Superhero movies arent going anywhere, since superman hit it big they have been pretty much nonstop money makers. Even the duds still do pretty well. The minor characters might not get as many movies but Superman, Batman, Spiderman and Wolverine will always draw tickets.

As far as the "expanded universe" genre I hope that goes away. Too many junk movies that you kinda have to watch to tie in to the big ones (It kind reminds be when comics do those major crossovers that make you buy all the minor books that you would have never bought otherwise.) and there are power mismatches that dont make sense. Like Black Widow and Hawkeye have no business anywhere near Thanos, even with no gems he can kill them with the snap of his finger. Cap too for that matter, if he didnt grab Mjolnir he wouldnt be able to stand Thanos for more than a second or two.