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    Re: Art and Artifice, Defined With Examples Provided

    Quote Originally Posted by Cordelier View Post
    I'm not trying to re-write anything... I do admit to mis-speaking though, I used the word "art" when I should have used the word "imagination"... the art itself is the combination of skill (or craftsmanship) and imagination, which is entirely consistent with the definition you posted.

    Why should urine in a jar offend me? The God I worship created the Universe in all of it's diversity. If I were to be offended by a crucifex in a jar of urine, that would say something about me, would it not? Wouldn't I be taking God and making Him into my image and making Him offended by the things that offend me?

    Shouldn't it be the other way around? Wasn't I the one who was made in God's image? What's more, as a Christian, shouldn't I be more mindful of the New Testament and not be so judgmental of others? Let he who is without sin cast the first stone and all of that.
    So how would you define "blasphemy"?

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    Re: Art and Artifice, Defined With Examples Provided

    Quote Originally Posted by Tanngrisnir View Post
    It's always amusing to see how much art frightens those who don't understand it.
    I freely admit I'm no "genius" where it comes to art or artistic interpretation... I haven't "cracked" Pollock yet - but there's something about his works that draws my eye and makes me want to learn the secret. Who knows? Maybe that's the whole point.

    What I can't understand is the visceral reactions and bile that some people just spew out. I don't get how people can condemn a work of art without first trying to understand it. To me, that's just sheer and spiteful ignorance.

    As La Rochefoucauld said, "Les esprits médiocres condemnent d'ordinaire tout ce qui passe leur portée."
    "He who knows, does not speak. He who speaks, does not know." --- Lao Tzu

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    Re: Art and Artifice, Defined With Examples Provided

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    So how would you define "blasphemy"?
    I don't really buy into the concept of blasphemy. Who does it really offend? The religion or the God?
    "He who knows, does not speak. He who speaks, does not know." --- Lao Tzu

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    Re: Art and Artifice, Defined With Examples Provided

    Still grappling with personal and subjective?
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Art and Artifice, Defined With Examples Provided

    Quote Originally Posted by Cordelier View Post
    I don't really buy into the concept of blasphemy. Who does it really offend? The religion or the God?
    It offends individuals. As for what God thinks about blasphemy, I'm pretty sure you know where to look to find out information on that.

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    Re: Art and Artifice, Defined With Examples Provided

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    It offends individuals. As for what God thinks about blasphemy, I'm pretty sure you know where to look to find out information on that.
    If your faith is offended by what someone else says or does, then what does that say about it's strength?
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    Re: Art and Artifice, Defined With Examples Provided

    Quote Originally Posted by Cordelier View Post
    If your faith is offended by what someone else says or does, then what does that say about it's strength?
    Nothing.

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    Re: Art and Artifice, Defined With Examples Provided

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Nothing.
    If you say so.
    "He who knows, does not speak. He who speaks, does not know." --- Lao Tzu

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    Re: Art and Artifice, Defined With Examples Provided

    Quote Originally Posted by Cordelier View Post
    If you say so.
    I do. This evening I saw a pizza commercial again that sends me to the moon. Beethoven and pizza. Strauss and Oreos, Chopin and Mountain dew. Mozart and cake frosting--what an outrage!

    If I am offended by the cheap exploitation of dead artists and great works, what does that say about my appreciation of music?

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    Re: Art and Artifice, Defined With Examples Provided

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    I do. This evening I saw a pizza commercial again that sends me to the moon. Beethoven and pizza. Strauss and Oreos, Chopin and Mountain dew. Mozart and cake frosting--what an outrage!

    If I am offended by the cheap exploitation of dead artists and great works, what does that say about my appreciation of music?
    That's a good question.... Let's analyze it - The commercials don't change the music... and it's not like Beethoven's 9th is now going to be called "The Domino's Pizza Symphony". I don't think the artist's themselves have an opinion on the matter... although, I understand Mozart was partial to cake frosting.

    All in all, I'd say if you have a problem with commercials, well, then it's your problem. Your relationship to the music is your's alone.... nobody has a right to tell you what to feel.

    From my perspective, I figure if some kid watches the commercial and likes the music and then goes on the internet to try and find the name of the piece and then discovers a love for Beethoven, more to the good.
    "He who knows, does not speak. He who speaks, does not know." --- Lao Tzu

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