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Star Wars: How do you view the Franchise post TLJ?

Meh. Maybe I'll have a different opinion of it in a decade. I don't know.
 
spud_meister said:
I don't believe casting is something that can be criticised. Adam Driver is a terrific actor, and none of the other cast are anywhere near as bad as Hayden Christiensen in the prequels.
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Yes....yes.

And watching Scorsese's version of Silence, yes, Adam Driver is really, really good.
 
Serenity said:
I'm grown up now. I don't imagine or expect that I will ever be able to have the same experience and feel the same excitement levels that were generated back when I was first introduced to SW, irrespective of how good the newer episodes could be. I'm just not the same person anymore.

While the later releases have not given me the same experiences the earlier releases did, I do love that there is a new generation of young Star Wars fans sharing in the love. Personally I think that's great. Take Rey for example in TFA. Many of the older fanboys hated her character. Did they even look around at some of the younger fans at the release and see their reactions? Imagine being 5 years old again. It's hard not to love a kid who was dumped off into a junkyard desert when she was 5, who lives in an overturned AT-AT, who has a hand made Rebel Alliance pilot sitting up on her "shelf" and who survives by selling junk in exchange for food.

Star Wars will live on. The younglings will see to that.
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I didnt' mind Rey TFA, but the Mary Sue of her character in TLJ killed her for me. Poe and Finn are amazing but so far wasted
 
If Disney wanted to be lazy they could just have made three “fan boy” movies that made people a bit happy and a bit meh. Or they could have made the effort to create something truly new with artistic value.

Instead TLJ makes old fans anry while at the same time mostly is a rehash of the powerful and evil “empire” versus a small group of “rebels”. That they could easily have created a more filling and complex story with for example the new republic if they wanted to create something new. That now it just some plot twists that tries to persuade the audience that the movie are "new" and "fresh".

Also, the overall story of the new trilogy seems to be that old heroes will die bitter and alone and their causes failed. That if you want that message it much more fun to listen to Death Or Glory by The Clash.

 
If Stars Wars survived those prequels, it will survive this.

TLJ and Solo were fine. Certainly better than those Avengers movies that continually dominate the box office.
 
Jetboogieman said:
I think if you even sidestep a lot of the “controversy” stuff, any of the SJW stuff, Rose, the idea of Rey being a Mary Sue or any of that stuff.

What you’re left with is an extremely flawed, lazy, contrived mess of a film that made some very seriously questionable creative choices.

I mean take one of the most glaring examples... Leia flying through space like ****ing superman, like that 40 second sequence to me, did more damage to Star Wars than all of Jar Jar Binks in the prequel trilogy, it’s such a pants on head wierd and dumb sequence that it boggles the imagination that even the suits at Disney didn’t find it questionable.

Compared to say how I felt a couple of weeks ago coming out of Infinity War, all four of these Star Wars films, I’ve come out of the theatre feeling empty, like, they lacked so much, no one seems capable of just telling a cohesive and interesting story.

Solo was just... catagorically not a good film, it was just... passable.

The Last Jedi was a mess.

Rogue One was... better... but lacked compelling characters IMO to make us care about what happened to them.

And Force Awakens was so utterly boilerplate that while a spectacle, I just couldn’t care less what happened.

I love Star Wars, but I’ve faced the fact that we’ll just never get a truly good Star Wars movie that blows us off our feet like the originals.

The magic can just never be recreated.

Just not gonna happen.
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I mostly agree with this, but I think the franchise can still be turned around with better leadership and moving away from the same old characters and going with new ones, plus get rid of Rey (who's a Mary Sue).
 
PoS said:
I mostly agree with this, but I think the franchise can still be turned around with better leadership and moving away from the same old characters and going with new ones, plus get rid of Rey (who's a Mary Sue).
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I think it will be the next series that revamps the franchise, by the Game of Thrones showrunners. Abrams will do some visually amazing, fun for the ride movie that after it is over you realize it was fluff with little substance.
 
Renae said:
Lots of Videos like Geeks and Gamers and World Class Bull****ters are all over the demise of SW as an unstoppable force, the angry fans, the backlash against Rian Johnson and the Failure that was "The Last Jedi" and Solo.

I believe that there is a lot right with their views, TLJ wrecked SW in so many ways, Solo didn't flop because of SW Fatigue, if there was such a thing someone explain the MCU to me. No, the Last Jedi and Rain Johnson's "Subversive" story arc wrecked the franchise and pissed a ton of fans off. The backlash is so great Kathleen Kennedy is on the hot hot seat for getting booted.

What say you on this issue?
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The recent movies were OK, but not great

Thinking back I think I liked the Solo movie best, then Rogue Squadron (although it was a bit cut-and-paste of action scenes sometimes), then TFA, then TLJ


Solo actually reminded me more of the original movies in style than the others did.
 
Renae said:
Lots of Videos like Geeks and Gamers and World Class Bull****ters are all over the demise of SW as an unstoppable force, the angry fans, the backlash against Rian Johnson and the Failure that was "The Last Jedi" and Solo.

I believe that there is a lot right with their views, TLJ wrecked SW in so many ways, Solo didn't flop because of SW Fatigue, if there was such a thing someone explain the MCU to me. No, the Last Jedi and Rain Johnson's "Subversive" story arc wrecked the franchise and pissed a ton of fans off. The backlash is so great Kathleen Kennedy is on the hot hot seat for getting booted.

What say you on this issue?
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Rogue one was great the first three movies from the 80s were decent. Everything else wasn't worth watching.
 
Jetboogieman said:
I think if you even sidestep a lot of the “controversy” stuff, any of the SJW stuff, Rose, the idea of Rey being a Mary Sue or any of that stuff.

What you’re left with is an extremely flawed, lazy, contrived mess of a film that made some very seriously questionable creative choices.

I mean take one of the most glaring examples... Leia flying through space like ****ing superman, like that 40 second sequence to me, did more damage to Star Wars than all of Jar Jar Binks in the prequel trilogy, it’s such a pants on head wierd and dumb sequence that it boggles the imagination that even the suits at Disney didn’t find it questionable.

Compared to say how I felt a couple of weeks ago coming out of Infinity War, all four of these Star Wars films, I’ve come out of the theatre feeling empty, like, they lacked so much, no one seems capable of just telling a cohesive and interesting story.

Solo was just... catagorically not a good film, it was just... passable.

The Last Jedi was a mess.

Rogue One was... better... but lacked compelling characters IMO to make us care about what happened to them.

And Force Awakens was so utterly boilerplate that while a spectacle, I just couldn’t care less what happened.

I love Star Wars, but I’ve faced the fact that we’ll just never get a truly good Star Wars movie that blows us off our feet like the originals.

The magic can just never be recreated.

Just not gonna happen.
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Im just glad they aren't doing prequels and reboots. Those always suck.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Im just glad they aren't doing prequels and reboots. Those always suck.
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This new trilogy is pretty much a reboot- theyre killing off the old characters and just recycling the plots from the previous movies.
 
PoS said:
This new trilogy is pretty much a reboot- theyre killing off the old characters and just recycling the plots from the previous movies.
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I remember something in the second trilogy mentioned by Yoda that would make a interesting movie.

A time when the Sith were at war with the Jedi and it seemed there was more than a master and apprentice.

I think that was in attack of the clones.

Thru should make a movie about that. At least they can tell a new story for christ sake.

Maybe even the origin of the Jedi.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Leia flying through space like ****ing superman, like that 40 second sequence to me, did more damage to Star Wars than all of Jar Jar Binks in the prequel trilogy, it’s such a pants on head wierd and dumb sequence that it boggles the imagination that even the suits at Disney didn’t find it questionable.
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Being 100% serious here. I literally smacked me head in the theater and started laughing at the absurdity of that entire scene.
 
The Last Jedi did what literally Star Wars movie has done to me before...

Left me going "meh" in terms of seeing the next movie.

Do I think it's a bad movie? Yes. However, that's not really what's drained my interest in Episode 9. I can handle a bad movie; those happen and I can usually still pick out some enjoyable moments. What has killed my excitement for Episode 9 was that RJ was so obsessed with focusing on subversion that he's killed of almost every story strings that I give a damn about.

The mystery of who Rey is and how she ties into the larger Holy Trilogy mythos? Gone atm.

The mysterious seeming dark side powered enemy? Gone.

Finn growing from comedic sideshow to battle his demons of his past? Stupidly saved from doing that in the most idiotic way possible and already defeated his "foil" for a second straight film.

ANY Villain at all that doesn't feel laughably inept? None that I can see.

Rian basically shat upon every interesting hanging plotline coming out of The Force Awakens and proceeded to leave us with zero ones that actually intrigue me. Other than "Why don't they just put droids controlling some x-wings and launch them into **** instead of actually fighting?" which is not exactly a question that intrigues me for a GOOD reason.

Will I see Episode 9? Absolutely. However, this is shaping up to be the first Star Wars since I was old enough to attend the premieres that I don't see opening night, opening showing.
 
Zyphlin said:
The Last Jedi did what literally Star Wars movie has done to me before...

Left me going "meh" in terms of seeing the next movie.

Do I think it's a bad movie? Yes. However, that's not really what's drained my interest in Episode 9. I can handle a bad movie; those happen and I can usually still pick out some enjoyable moments. What has killed my excitement for Episode 9 was that RJ was so obsessed with focusing on subversion that he's killed of almost every story strings that I give a damn about.

The mystery of who Rey is and how she ties into the larger Holy Trilogy mythos? Gone atm.

The mysterious seeming dark side powered enemy? Gone.

Finn growing from comedic sideshow to battle his demons of his past? Stupidly saved from doing that in the most idiotic way possible and already defeated his "foil" for a second straight film.

ANY Villain at all that doesn't feel laughably inept? None that I can see.

Rian basically shat upon every interesting hanging plotline coming out of The Force Awakens and proceeded to leave us with zero ones that actually intrigue me. Other than "Why don't they just put droids controlling some x-wings and launch them into **** instead of actually fighting?" which is not exactly a question that intrigues me for a GOOD reason.

Will I see Episode 9? Absolutely. However, this is shaping up to be the first Star Wars since I was old enough to attend the premieres that I don't see opening night, opening showing.
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Yeah I too think this is where the hype train for me has stopped. I'll wait a few weeks to see it. If I see it in the theater. Roundheads obsession with "Subversive" star wars and the adults at Disney being fine with it, is just... mind boggling.
 
Maybe if they release a tv series, say on their newly-formed streaming service, they will have the sense to step away from the Skywalkers and New Generation and just step either far far ahead or far far in the past, free to write histories and stories as they please.

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