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Omissions at the Rock Hall of Fame

TurtleDude said:
NWA Isn't either. that's a real head scratcher

here's a more obscure group that I think ought to be in RR HOF due to being cutting edge at the time

THE CHAMBERS BROTHERS!
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Gawd, I just got a chill, hearing the last few chords and vocals from 'Time Has Come Today'.
Yeah, they need to be in. Who do we lobby? It's like trying to make sure someone trustworthy is in charge of the music at the party.
 
Jack Hays said:
There's a lot of news now about inductions into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in Cleveland. I have visited there, and it's an excellent institution. There are, however, some omissions. I'm told these derive mainly from personal prejudices of the Hall's founder. The point of this thread though is to name the person, persons or group you think has been unfairly omitted.

For me that would be the Doobie Brothers, one of my all-time favorite bands.
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Yeah that's just stupid. But hey, look how long it took the Moody Blues. No rhyme or reason.
 
Top Cat said:
Yeah that's just stupid. But hey, look how long it took the Moody Blues. No rhyme or reason.
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anyone who thought the Beastie Boys should have gone in before YES, the Moody Blues or Deep Purple really is out of their minds.
 
Boston, Guess Who, 3 Dog Night, Paul Revere and the Raiders, Joe Cocker, Tommy James and the Shondells, J. Geils, Carole King, Cold Blood
 
Jann Wenner is a piss stain and so are his wealthy socialite friends.
 
TurtleDude said:
Donovan was one of the founders of psychedelic rock. his "Hurdy-Gurdy Man (featuring future LZ members Page and Jones) is one of the cutting edge PR tunes of all time.
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Donovan did not know what psychedelic rock was. He was a folk artist. The production work on his albums were added by producers in studios. He usually performed alone, without back up musicians. Never had a band, per se. The one tour he did with a back up band, he abandoned after the second show. Claimed he was ill. Jimmy Page complained, "Donovan was always ripped and belligerent, impossible to work with." Jimmy got started as a studio sideman, appearing without credit on hundreds of albums of many different genres. I've got him with a credit on a Bob Keeshon album, "Clarabelle Does Your Favorite Songs," for kids under age 10. Jimmy is on the cover in clown makeup.

Keeshon ended up as a NYC councilman. He and Jimmy were life long friends. The album was never sold, Keeshon gave copies to children as gifts. Keeshan's youngest daughter married one of Jimmy's cousins. They still live in Bob's former house in Maspeth, Queens, NYC. She's a pediatric doctor, and a sweetheart. Her husband is one of the Administrators of the avant garde art museum PS1 in Long Island City, and he's a curator for the Moving Image Museum also in LIC.
 
Rexedgar said:
Canned Heat?


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Blues, not rock. Bob "Bear" Hite owns the best 78 blues collection known to man. When he dies it will be gifted to the Smithsonian. Bob was always insulted when Canned Heat was labeled Blues Rock by media critics. Still is.
 
JC Callender said:
Ted Nugent, assuming political reasons.
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Growing up in the Detroit area during the Sixties and Seventies, I must have attended two dozen shows where Nugent was playing and I always considered his bands to be some of the lesser talent of the bill. Local Groups like Scott Richard Case (SRC), Savage Grace, and of course the MC5 were always far better and far more entertaining, And even some of the minor bands that opened were better than anything Nugent did. But then I was never a fan of the three minute self indulgent guitar solo which had nothing to do with the song itself.
 
haymarket said:
Growing up in the Detroit area during the Sixties and Seventies, I must have attended two dozen shows where Nugent was playing and I always considered his bands to be some of the lesser talent of the bill. Local Groups like Scott Richard Case (SRC), Savage Grace, and of course the MC5 were always far better and far more entertaining, And even some of the minor bands that opened were better than anything Nugent did. But then I was never a fan of the three minute self indulgent guitar solo which had nothing to do with the song itself.
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Of course.
 
Jack Hays said:
There's a lot of news now about inductions into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in Cleveland. I have visited there, and it's an excellent institution. There are, however, some omissions. I'm told these derive mainly from personal prejudices of the Hall's founder. The point of this thread though is to name the person, persons or group you think has been unfairly omitted.

For me that would be the Doobie Brothers, one of my all-time favorite bands.
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Harry Nilsson, him not being in the hall of fame is a travesty.
Warren Zevon as well.
Mothers of Invention need to be there.
And, of course, Captain Beefheart.
 
Here's a list of who's not in: http://www.notinhalloffame.com/rock-and-roll?limitstart=0

Flabbergasted that Carole King isn't in or Neal Sedaka. Herbie Hancock and John Coltrane are both on this list, so I guess it's fair to say that the list is expansive. Maybe it's my own thinking that's limited in not considering both to be jazz musicians or in recognizing zyedeco artists as only zydeco. There really is a lot of spillover from jazz to R and B and the blues and zydeco, so why not these genres and rock? I guess....
 
Bad Religion should be in the R&R HOF. The Ramones and Sex Pistols pioneered punk rock, Bad Religion perfected it.
 
haymarket said:
Growing up in the Detroit area during the Sixties and Seventies, I must have attended two dozen shows where Nugent was playing and I always considered his bands to be some of the lesser talent of the bill. Local Groups like Scott Richard Case (SRC), Savage Grace, and of course the MC5 were always far better and far more entertaining, And even some of the minor bands that opened were better than anything Nugent did. But then I was never a fan of the three minute self indulgent guitar solo which had nothing to do with the song itself.
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My first wife went to work for Scott Richardson when he evolved into a screenwriter.
Here he is hanging out with Donovan and his wife Linda.


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Checkerboard Strangler said:
My first wife went to work for Scott Richardson when he evolved into a screenwriter.
Here he is hanging out with Donovan and his wife Linda.


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Now that is soon coool!!!!!! Thanks much for that info.

I did not know he went into film. Wikipedia says he worked on sets for 2 LORD OF THE RINGS films. Do you know if that was the Bakshi film or the later ones.
EDIT: just looked him up on IMDB and it said he worked on all three Jackson films and discredited for "greens".

and greens are

Greens – a specialized set dresser dealing with the artistic arrangement or landscape design of plant material. Sometimes real and sometimes artificial and usually a combination of both. Depending upon the amount of greens work in a film, the greensman may report to the art director or may report to the production designer.
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This is so weird!!!!! Those films are my favorites and this guys band was one of my favorites back in the day. WOW!!!!



I loved their first album with "Hall of the Mountain King/Bolero" on it. And they were always tremendous live. They used to do a version of Heat Wave that was really innovative. One of the best groups to come out of Michigan during that period.
 
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haymarket said:
Now that is soon coool!!!!!! Thanks much for that info.

I did not know he went into film. Wikipedia says he worked on sets for 2 LORD OF THE RINGS films. Do you know if that was the Bakshi film or the later ones.
EDIT: just looked him up on IMDB and it said he worked on all three Jackson films and discredited for "greens".

and greens are



This is so weird!!!!! Those films are my favorites and this guys band was one of my favorites back in the day. WOW!!!!



I loved their first album with "Hall of the Mountain King/Bolero" on it. And they were always tremendous live. They used to do a version of Heat Wave that was really innovative. One of the best groups to come out of Michigan during that period.
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He was a screenwriter.
He wrote several scripts for Ray Manzarek and also wrote "Hearts of Fire" which starred Bob Dylan and Fiona.
The movie tanked so badly that director Richard Marquand died of a heart attack.
The studio accepted Scott's draft, but then turned around and said that because Scott was a "baby writer", they needed to bring in Joe Eszterhas to "punch up the script".
I saw both versions of the script and Eszterhas ruined the film.

He also wrote a bunch of scripts for episodes of "Quantum Leap" (TV Show) and a script for "The Jackie Wilson Story" which was bought by Suzanne dePasse and then shelved, never to be seen again.

My first wife was his business manager, and as it turned out, also his piece on the side, which of course ended our marriage.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
He was a screenwriter.
He wrote several scripts for Ray Manzarek and also wrote "Hearts of Fire" which starred Bob Dylan and Fiona.
The movie tanked so badly that director Richard Marquand died of a heart attack.
The studio accepted Scott's draft, but then turned around and said that because Scott was a "baby writer", they needed to bring in Joe Eszterhas to "punch up the script".
I saw both versions of the script and Eszterhas ruined the film.

He also wrote a bunch of scripts for episodes of "Quantum Leap" (TV Show) and a script for "The Jackie Wilson Story" which was bought by Suzanne dePasse and then shelved, never to be seen again.

My first wife was his business manager, and as it turned out, also his piece on the side, which of course ended our marriage.
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Very sorry to hear that.

Thanks for the career info.
 
haymarket said:
Very sorry to hear that.

Thanks for the career info.
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I survived...neither of them did. He's still alive but he's circling the drain pretty bad, all self inflicted.
She passed away last year, never quite got sober.

So I count my blessings, and I've got a much better wife now :)
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
I survived...neither of them did. He's still alive but he's circling the drain pretty bad, all self inflicted.
She passed away last year, never quite got sober.

So I count my blessings, and I've got a much better wife now :)
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Well the winner is often the survivor -and that seems to be you - so thats a good thing. And you traded up so that makes you a double winner. :cool:

Since he worked on LOTR - I wonder if he has any "souvenirs" he took from the production that might be made available for sale? Would you know anything about that?
 
haymarket said:
Well the winner is often the survivor -and that seems to be you - so thats a good thing. And you traded up so that makes you a double winner. :cool:

Since he worked on LOTR - I wonder if he has any "souvenirs" he took from the production that might be made available for sale? Would you know anything about that?
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I couldn't tell you, I am still friends with his ex-wife...she's very precious to me but I have not spoken to him since maybe 1996 at the latest. Rita tells me he's really ill, and that's about all I know. He's still getting around sort of but not doing well.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
I couldn't tell you, I am still friends with his ex-wife...she's very precious to me but I have not spoken to him since maybe 1996 at the latest. Rita tells me he's really ill, and that's about all I know. He's still getting around sort of but not doing well.
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I appreciate the reply. Thank you.
 
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