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What is needed to save Star Wars after the last Jedi debacle?

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As the title says...what do you think it will take to salvage the movies from this most awful movie in the franchise?
 
I heard it was awesome. Going to see it today.
 
That would imply that Star Wars was needing to be salvaged from critical and financial success. If Star Wars survived the Prequels, it's going to survive this.
 
CMPancake said:
That would imply that Star Wars was needing to be salvaged from critical and financial success. If Star Wars survived the Prequels, it's going to survive this.
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That's a fair point.
 
blackjack50 said:
As the title says...what do you think it will take to salvage the movies from this most awful movie in the franchise?
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Whatever makes you imagine the franchise needs salvaging? The latest film received mixed reviews (in fact all of the new era of films so far have done so) but that’s more than enough for the franchise to survive. Unless they really dropped the ball, the significant core fan-base plus all the curious hangers-on (as I count myself) will continue to go to see the films in the cinemas and many will continue to buy the merchandise too. They’ve probably still got another 10 or 20 years of that available if they want it.
 
KevinKohler said:
I heard it was awesome. Going to see it today.
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Sorry to disappoint. The plot is awful. And the numbers tell the real truth...it was one of the worst flops of any movie. More like a parody than an actual movie. It was just so poorly written and directed.
 
CMPancake said:
That would imply that Star Wars was needing to be salvaged from critical and financial success. If Star Wars survived the Prequels, it's going to survive this.
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The difference is that they the prequels were at least Star Wars movies. It told the story that we needed and left room for success and story expansion. This movie did not. The plot was so horrifically awful that I just don’t see it keeping a decent fan base. It was so bad that I’m not even worried about someone spoiling the next movie. At all.
 
It won't be salvaged. You'll need to turn to other sources of good art in science fiction media to get that sort of enjoyment again.
 
Mach said:
It won't be salvaged. You'll need to turn to other sources of good art in science fiction media to get that sort of enjoyment again.
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That franchise is not going anywhere. It will make a ton of money and be back. It was not great and you can clearly see the effect of not have JJ Abrams directing. But the kids will love it. If the standard is to have a GREAT movie every time no movie franchise has ever done that. Not even the Godfather
 
blackjack50 said:
Sorry to disappoint. The plot is awful. And the numbers tell the real truth...it was one of the worst flops of any movie. More like a parody than an actual movie. It was just so poorly written and directed.
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You’re conflating artistic quality and commercial success, somewhat misrepresenting both. First, the quality of the film is largely a matter of opinion and on this opinions vary widely. I personally think it had flaws and some questionable plot decisions but it wasn’t a bad film overall which I enjoyed – I’ve seen plenty that were much, much worse. Commercially speaking, there is no way it could be described as a flop. It was easily the most popular film in theatres across the various markets, reaching similar levels to the other recent Star Wars films and there’s no doubt it will easily make its money back. Certainly not a runaway hit but in no way a flop.
 
blackjack50 said:
The difference is that they the prequels were at least Star Wars movies. It told the story that we needed and left room for success and story expansion. This movie did not. The plot was so horrifically awful that I just don’t see it keeping a decent fan base. It was so bad that I’m not even worried about someone spoiling the next movie. At all.
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What exactly are your biggest gripes with the plot in Last Jedi that just utterly tanked the movie for you?
 
vegas giants said:
That franchise is not going anywhere. It will make a ton of money and be back. It was not great and you can clearly see the effect of not have JJ Abrams directing. But the kids will love it. If the standard is to have a GREAT movie every time no movie franchise has ever done that. Not even the Godfather
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I never claimed the franchise was going anywhere.
I never claimed it is not a profitable venture/movie/franchise.
I do not believe JJ Abrams does reliably good work, I thought FA was just as bad. In fact, I think FA set many things in motion that likely contributed to the new one being as bad as it was. Abrams wrote FA in 8 weeks, it was hasty and shallow. Let JJ concept it, let him direct it, why did he have to WRITE it?!
I agree, many kids and adults love it.
I do not think every movie has to be "great".
 
blackjack50 said:
Sorry to disappoint. The plot is awful. And the numbers tell the real truth...
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Right, set to earn a $1 billion dollars by the end of the year with a $200 million dollar budget is a flop. What planet do you live on where that's a flop?
 
blackjack50 said:
As the title says...what do you think it will take to salvage the movies from this most awful movie in the franchise?
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Saved suggests it needs saving.

I was incredibly disappointed with the Last Jedi, feeling like it was both a meh to bad movie and a meh to bad star wars movie. That said, The Phantom Menace was a bad movie, but that didn't stop me from eagerly awaiting Attack of the Clones opening night. Similarly, TLJ isn't going to stop any fanboy from going out for opening night of 9 either.

One of the problems for me is they can't really do anything to justifiably "fix" my issues with Rei and Kylo. Both feel horribly under developed, undeserving, and hollow and I just don't see how that's going to be fixed in the 3rd movie.
 
Mach said:
It won't be salvaged. You'll need to turn to other sources of good art in science fiction media to get that sort of enjoyment again.
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Star Wars has never been either art or science fiction, it’s pulp fantasy. I continue to find it entertaining pulp fantasy though.
 
CMPancake said:
Right, set to earn a $1 billion dollars by the end of the year with a $200 million dollar budget is a flop. What planet do you live on where that's a flop?
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Yup Star Wars movies are mucho dinero at the box office, probably the most successful movie franchise ever. I doubt they'll stop now.
 
blackjack50 said:
As the title says...what do you think it will take to salvage the movies from this most awful movie in the franchise?
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whatever the next movie is

if jar jar and angsty anakin could not kill the franchise nothing will
 
HonestJoe said:
Star Wars has never been either art or science fiction, it’s pulp fantasy. I continue to find it entertaining pulp fantasy though.
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True. If you are getting your art from the star wars franchise I would suggest you aim a little higher
 
if it makes any one feel better im sure they will reboot the entire franchise at some point
 
PoS said:
Yup Star Wars movies are mucho dinero at the box office, probably the most successful movie franchise ever. I doubt they'll stop now.
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Honestly, it could be 2 hours of Jar Jar binks tap dancing while he ****s out porgs....and if we get that scrolling yellow text and the pan down from the stars to the space ship he's tap dancing on, it'd still make top 3 money at the box office opening weekend at the very least.
 
blackjack50 said:
As the title says...what do you think it will take to salvage the movies from this most awful movie in the franchise?
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I think now that the last human character has died from the original movies they need to move on with the plot and embrace a new direction. Let it sink or swim in a new direction
 
PoS said:
Yup Star Wars movies are mucho dinero at the box office, probably the most successful movie franchise ever. I doubt they'll stop now.
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Remember that these are big budget movies that also take a lot of money to Make. They may get a lot of money at the box office but they probably spent as much making it. That is why it’s so important for them to continue to make money on their second weekend and on the commercials and advertisements. Star Wars is one of the biggest flops for the second weekend in movie history ( for a big budget film).
 
vegas giants said:
I think now that the last human character has died from the original movies they need to move on with the plot and embrace a new direction. Let it sink or swim in a new direction
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The plot is the worst part of this movie. I don’t need characters from the original trilogy or anything like that. Ray and fin are enough. Ray and fin are enough to keep this movie going even Kylo is a cool character. But when they are poorly written...there isn’t much that can be done. A bad movie is a bad movie. As people keep bringing up Jar Jar and anakin. Bad characters. But love them or hate them...the plot had some semblance of order and made sense . And remember...ultimately...anakin is a bad guy and you aren’t supposed to like him lol. And at least his lightsaber duel was epic at the end of 3.

But seriously. They have squandered this and it is going to to take a lot of effort to make the next movie pass better than a kidney stone. And even being fair...I enjoyed the force awakens. It felt like a new direction was being taken with new characters. Thoughntjey shouldn’t have recycled the plot.
 
blackjack50 said:
The plot is the worst part of this movie. I don’t need characters from the original trilogy or anything like that. Ray and fin are enough. Ray and fin are enough to keep this movie going even Kylo is a cool character. But when they are poorly written...there isn’t much that can be done. A bad movie is a bad movie. As people keep bringing up Jar Jar and anakin. Bad characters. But love them or hate them...the plot had some semblance of order and made sense . And remember...ultimately...anakin is a bad guy and you aren’t supposed to like him lol. And at least his lightsaber duel was epic at the end of 3.

But seriously. They have squandered this and it is going to to take a lot of effort to make the next movie pass better than a kidney stone. And even being fair...I enjoyed the force awakens. It felt like a new direction was being taken with new characters. Thoughntjey shouldn’t have recycled the plot.
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I agree it was badly written. I would like them to go in a new direction. Same characters but a new direction
 
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