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Star Wars: The Last Jedi **SPOILERS*

For myself.

When the credits rolled, I felt like I'd seen a brilliant film and for the most part, I still do, it was highly, highly entertaining, I think the film definitely lacked some focus and perhaps went on a bit too long.

But now that it's been about 15 hours since I've seen it, the plot is a bit, no strike that, horrifically nonsensical, barely anything that happened made any sense at all and despite my aforementioned feeling as the credits rolled... There were multiple times I literally did one of these and was completely taken out of the movie:

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The Yoda and the Princess Leia Space Scenes especally... I was just like... The. ****. Was. That.

Yoda especially could have been handled with a lot more grace and should have had a bit more meaning than some Three Stooges comedy routine.

The alliance cruiser being just a "little too fast" and suddenly having Star Trek shields... Ah... What?

Anyway look, if you take the experience at face value it was a fun ride and I gotta say, that opening scene, whoever worked on that understood how and why Star Wars came to be, those bombers and that entire idea and the way it was executed was very compelling and was excellent, Star Wars took a lot of inspiration from WWII and various other space operas of early Cinema and that scene certainly I think was interesting at least.

I think I may go watch it again and I'm sure I'll spot quite a few other flaws.
 
Jetboogieman said:
There were multiple times I literally did one of these and was completely taken out of the movie:
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That was me during the movie sadly. I audibly groaned at least once, and had multiple instances of unconsiously putting my hand to my head in a "OMG I can't believe they did/are doing that". Which was weird because usually when I go to big opening night theater openings, I end up overrating the movie on first impression due to the whole atmosphere.

The two scenes you noted were spot on issue ones for me. I also agree, the bomber scene was a high point.
 
I just got out of the theatre. I really enjoyed it. I like that this movie did it's own thing, and didn't just follow the beats of ESB (for the most part).

I very much enjoyed how the Resistance was wrecked in this movie. The First Order actually felt like a threat. I enjoyed Luke's story in this episode, and I enjoyed the twist with Kylo Ren's backstory. I loved the Rey/Kylo team up against the rest of the Knights of Ren. That was amazing to watch. Kylo is now my current favorite character in the SW universe at the moment. His character is so intriguing and deep. I also very much enjoyed the Krayt battle at the end, it was fun to see that play out. And that Kylo Ren/Luke Skywalker battle tho, and the way he was completely unscathed when all those Goliath walkers fired on him....just man.

My biggest complaint with the movie was that it felt a little too long. But whatever; I had a fun time watching it.
 
Goshin said:
Yup. A New Hope mainly because it was a groundbreaker and a game-changer and like nothing we'd ever seen before when it first came out.

Rogue One was hands-down the BEST SW since the first one, it FELT far more real and gritty and serious, with real drama and a real story. I think it was so good in part because it was free to be what it was, instead of having to be a re-hash of IV, V or VI.

The latest one is better than TFA and had some beautiful visuals, but the story felt too contrived.


Looking forward to the Han Solo movie, and hoping it is good....
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Rogue One was the ****. The battle on Scarif is up there on my list of the best battles in SW media. And I enjoyed that even despite being within the confines of the original trilogy, it still felt like a totally different story.
 
PoS said:
Yeah the First Order were pretty moronic. They just kept falling for the Rebel tricks time and time again lol. If I was a stormtrooper I would have shot Hux for being such a total incompetent- but then I would probably miss. :lol:
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If you hate the First Order's antics in this film, then you'l definitely hate the Empire's blunders in Star Wars Rebels. It seriously pisses me off how incompetent the Empire is in that show.
 
TheGoverness said:
If you hate the First Order's antics in this film, then you'l definitely hate the Empire's blunders in Star Wars Rebels. It seriously pisses me off how incompetent the Empire is in that show.
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I watched a few episodes of Rebels ... and it was enough for me. Both sides kept doing such stupid things to move the plot forward. It's called lazy writing.
 
I still can't believe Yoda is Rey's father.:shock:

Loved the movie. They seemed to ad just enough backstory to newly introduced characters to keep me interested. I nevery thought Kylo Ren was going to turn back.....but it was good to see the conflict.

I grew up with Star Wars and this is not the old Star Wars....but I am glad it is here.

OK, I admit it. I liked the porgs. I especially liked the porg/chewie thing. Yeah it was pandering to add them in, but what the hell.
 
It was ok. Much better than TFA. I'd rank it better than TFA and AOTC, but no higher.
 
PoS said:
lolwhut. How did you come up with that conclusion? :lol:
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Oh wait...I meant to say Chewie was the mother....
 
Just saw the movie. Easily the worst of all the Star Wars movies. Seemed more like a Gaurdians of the galaxy rip off than a Star Wars movie. While I laughed at many of the jokes they just didn't fit in the universe.
 
Nap said:
Just saw the movie. Easily the worst of all the Star Wars movies. Seemed more like a Gaurdians of the galaxy rip off than a Star Wars movie. While I laughed at many of the jokes they just didn't fit in the universe.
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This movie just felt forced. Pun intended.
 
Lol, I was hoping that a little time thinking about the movie would let me appreciate it. However, the more I think about this movie the more holes and pointless scenes I come up with making me hate it more.
 
I have not seen the film but from I hear about it amongst the chatter online, I think the problem may be rooted in disney’s Approach to the star war series.

I know George Lucas had his faults and a lot of the problems with the prequels stem from his role as producer, but at least the prequels tried to tell a story with new content. Disney seems to be stuck with focus group formulas and seems adverse to take actual new approach’s with the series. Also they seem to want to kill off the original hero’s of the Star Wars story in order to have their version supplant them.

Maybe it is a good thing that Disney did not include the expanded universe at this point, but come on if they wanted to make a darker Star Wars than at least they should have invested some thought into using the yusong vong invasion story arc as the plot?
 
As long as you dont ruin your own movies experience analyzing every aspect of it, it was actually a pretty enjoyable movie.

OK...so...dropping bombs in space...ummm....................

See...right there...you just have to let go and have fun with it.

I thought the Leia flying scene was about as hokey as it gets. And knowing she wasnt going to be around for the next movie, it made SO much more sense to let her die. Dont know how they are going to write themselves out of that hole next episode.
 
spud_meister said:
It was ok. Much better than TFA. I'd rank it better than TFA and AOTC, but no higher.
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Better than the last for sure...but they really need to do something spectacular with the finale...and it really should be a finale IMO.
 
PTF said:
The first Star Wars I watched a few times.
The second installment It was okay,afterwards I stopped.
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I watched the original trilogy and two of the prequels., then decided enough is enough. They should have quit while they were ahead. Now they are just cashing in. it's becoming Halloween and Nightmare on Elm Street. It never ends.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
I have not seen the film but from I hear about it amongst the chatter online, I think the problem may be rooted in disney’s Approach to the star war series.

I know George Lucas had his faults and a lot of the problems with the prequels stem from his role as producer, but at least the prequels tried to tell a story with new content. Disney seems to be stuck with focus group formulas and seems adverse to take actual new approach’s with the series. Also they seem to want to kill off the original hero’s of the Star Wars story in order to have their version supplant them.

Maybe it is a good thing that Disney did not include the expanded universe at this point, but come on if they wanted to make a darker Star Wars than at least they should have invested some thought into using the yusong vong invasion story arc as the plot?
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They should have gone darker, instead they went with a Disney comedy. The emotional and dark scenes from the trailer that made it seem like it was going to be an epic story were drowned out comedy scenes (I have to admit they were quite funny)
 
Nap said:
They should have gone darker, instead they went with a Disney comedy. The emotional and dark scenes from the trailer that made it seem like it was going to be an epic story were drowned out comedy scenes (I have to admit they were quite funny)
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It does make me wonder though if there is no creative producer, director, or writing team that can operate with a cohesive vision? Disney seems to to operate entirely on focus groups
 
PoS said:
Just finished watching it. And my verdict is ... its okay. The plot is a mix of Empire Strikes Back and bits of other surprises thrown in.

I liked the way it showed Luke as a more human character with flaws and all, though the sudden dominance of the First Order seems pretty unbelievable. It's definitely better than The Force Awakens, but I still think Rogue One is the best of all the new SW movies. 7/10

My top SW movie list:

1. A New Hope
2. Rogue One
3. Revenge of the Sith
4. The Last Jedi
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My order:

1. A New Hope - just because
2. Empire Strikes Back
3. The Last Jedi
4. The Force Awakens
5. Rogue One
6. Return of the Jedi - f'in Ewoks (but better than Jar Jar)



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7. Revenge of the Sith
8. Attack of the Clones
9. Phantom Menace

I actually enjoyed the show quite a bit, played tribute to the original nicely. The 18 hour chase scene was a bit ridiculous as was going to the casino planet to find the codebreaker... you would have thought it would have been an ideal place to at least give a cameo of Lando Calrissian as some sort of card dealer. :2razz:
 
Winchester said:
My order:

1. A New Hope - just because
2. Empire Strikes Back
3. The Last Jedi
4. The Force Awakens
5. Rogue One
6. Return of the Jedi - f'in Ewoks (but better than Jar Jar)



Space intentional


7. Revenge of the Sith
8. Attack of the Clones
9. Phantom Menace

I actually enjoyed the show quite a bit, played tribute to the original nicely. The 18 hour chase scene was a bit ridiculous as was going to the casino planet to find the codebreaker... you would have thought it would have been an ideal place to at least give a cameo of Lando Calrissian as some sort of card dealer. :2razz:
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My order from best to worst:

6
5
4
Rogue One

3
1&2 can't decide

The Ewoks movie

TFA
Last Jedi
 
PoS said:
I did sort of like Luke's arc. Despite his formidable powers he's at heart just a simple farm boy who was forced to do heroic things, and he never had the full training to be a Jedi master.

Youre right, Rey is still a Mary Sue. I dont know what to think of Kylo, but he does remind me of Kreia in The Sith Lords game. The subplot with Finn and the codebreaker was pointless other than to give them an excuse to end up in the Sith dreadnought.

Note to all future Sith lords: Do not choose the Skywalkers as your apprentice, they always stab you from behind.

- Why have the star destroyers gone super slow? In the previous movies they could match speed with the Millennium Falcon, now they can barely keep up with the rebel ships.

- The lightspeed kamikaze maneuver: this is the real game breaker here. If a single cruiser can devastate a whole fleet, why not just build lots of LS engines on asteroids and throw them at opposing fleets? Why did the rebs even try to do a bomb run at the dreadnought when they could have just hit them with lightspeed strikes? You dont even need a Death Star anymore.

- So Leia has got force powers now? Even without training?

- How is Rey going to continue her training now that Luke is dead? Will he train her as a force ghost?

Well it seems everybody is dying, with Carrie Fisher gone it's a given Leia dies in the next movie too. So who is left? Lando and Chewie?
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A few notes: Rey grabbed the books from the tree and has them in a drawer on the Falcon, and the codebreaker subplot was there to show the consequences of a fractious, insubordinate rebel group. Just like with the bombing run Poe got demoted for, his cocky plans got a lot of people killed for limited advantage.

The lightspeed truck of peace move was ****ing expensive as hell. While the Liberty-class cruiser (or an M80C, if that was Ackbar's old flagship) was capable of cutting a couple warships in half, an asteroid would likely be significantly less effective for a hyperdrive ram, not to mention harder to aim.

The gravity and evident atmosphere in space is indefensible, but overall I enjoyed the film.
 
PoS said:
I'm sure he'll be back as a force ghost. ;)

And Rey did bring the books so Yoda burning down the tree seemed silly in hindsight.
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Every Jedi that has disappeared upon death so far has come back as a Force Ghost, and we've seen plenty of them leave a body after death. No bones about it, converting your mass into pure Force energy is a sign of crazy stuff at work.

Luke definitely didn't know about the books being taken, although Yoda definitely did. Remember when he said there was nothing in there that Rey didn't already have?
 
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