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If you don't watch it regularly or haven't seen the latest episode, watch it

Doubling Down - Full Episode - Season 21 - Ep 07 | South Park Studios

Yes, I know it's a cartoon. Yes, I know it's crude. But I had to say, the general message and comparison they were making is a pretty astute one. Plus it has Mitch McConnell calling himself a turtle :D
 
If you don't watch it regularly or haven't seen the latest episode, watch it

Doubling Down - Full Episode - Season 21 - Ep 07 | South Park Studios

Yes, I know it's a cartoon. Yes, I know it's crude. But I had to say, the general message and comparison they were making is a pretty astute one. Plus it has Mitch McConnell calling himself a turtle :D

Just watched it last night, another biting social commentary from a reliable and constant source of the same. Plus the stuff with Cartman and his girlfriend was pretty spot on too.
 
It usually is spot on...
 
WTF #1: South Park is still on???

WTF #2: Cartman has a girlfriend??????
 
I don't appreciate that show drawing attention to my age. I was an adult when it was just some viral video playing in everybody's dorm room.

I'll have to check out that episode later.
 
I don't appreciate that show drawing attention to my age. I was an adult when it was just some viral video playing in everybody's dorm room.

I'll have to check out that episode later.

Then you really really don't appreciate The Simpsons! Me neither, but that is mostly because unlike SP the show has been in a long and oh so slow decline. For a long long time. ;)
 
Then you really really don't appreciate The Simpsons! Me neither, but that is mostly because unlike SP the show has been in a long and oh so slow decline. For a long long time. ;)

I didn't connect with the Simpsons when it first came on the air, but I know which apartment I was renting when I was in college and the first official SP episode of the series aired. As for Simpsons, it also stopped being funny roughly around the time I was in college. Somebody needs to take that show and put it out of its misery.
 
No need to ever make caveats about something being South Park.
 
I didn't connect with the Simpsons when it first came on the air, but I know which apartment I was renting when I was in college and the first official SP episode of the series aired. As for Simpsons, it also stopped being funny roughly around the time I was in college. Somebody needs to take that show and put it out of its misery.
I did enjoy it for the first few seasons. It started a bit before South Park, but like you I can tell you where and what my apartment number was in college when it started airing. Oh how it draws attention to my age! Like you I don't appreciate how it reminds me how old I am getting. Not at all.
 
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If you don't watch it regularly or haven't seen the latest episode, watch it

Doubling Down - Full Episode - Season 21 - Ep 07 | South Park Studios

Yes, I know it's a cartoon. Yes, I know it's crude. But I had to say, the general message and comparison they were making is a pretty astute one. Plus it has Mitch McConnell calling himself a turtle :D

Okay, so I saw the episode. The basic message is the futility of insulting or correcting trump supporters, because criticizing them just entrenches them in their support for trump, and even if you don't they're just going to be horrible human beings anyway (loved the Hasidic dance scenes, btw). Don't know if that's where Parker and Stone intended for the episode to go, but that's definitely how it's going to come across to many of its viewers.
 
Okay, so I saw the episode. The basic message is the futility of insulting or correcting trump supporters, because criticizing them just entrenches them in their support for trump, and even if you don't they're just going to be horrible human beings anyway (loved the Hasidic dance scenes, btw). Don't know if that's where Parker and Stone intended for the episode to go, but that's definitely how it's going to come across to many of its viewers.
I drew pretty much the same parallels as you. Of course let us not ignore the fact that this could just as well be applied to Clinton supporters too. Which is just another reason I find the work of Parker and Stone so routinely rich.
 
Okay, so I saw the episode. The basic message is the futility of insulting or correcting trump supporters, because criticizing them just entrenches them in their support for trump, and even if you don't they're just going to be horrible human beings anyway (loved the Hasidic dance scenes, btw). Don't know if that's where Parker and Stone intended for the episode to go, but that's definitely how it's going to come across to many of its viewers.


I took it another way, but it may be based in having the context of the previous season.

Last season, Heidi and Cartman both felt ostracized. Heidi legitimately, since she "quit twitter" and was basically treated as if she killed herself and was now a ghost. Cartman, because he had all his electronics smashed and so he started acting as if he was was killed and was a ghost. They ran into each other and, since Cartman was acting very progressive and good all season long, got along and started dating. So the relationship was born out of this issue of Heidi being lost and alone, but finally finding someone who seemingly understood her.

Fast forward to this year and Cartman has been very different. Constantly passive aggressive and abusive to her, while acting like he was the one being abused mentally by her. It's been a bit of a background storyline throughout used to make a few jokes on different topics throughout the season. So how does this pertain here?

I think there's two messages. First, comparing Trump supporters to women in an abusive relationship. Those who fall into them usually have something missing in their lives that the abuser seemingly fulfilled early on. Due to this fulfillment, the woman will also overlook the glaring problems that come up later by trying to focus on those good qualities that filled an empty space, no matter how rare they are now in the relationship.

The second kind of speaks to both as well. I don't think they were trying to suggest that criticizing them just entrenches them. RATHER, I think it was poking at the notion that mocking, insulting, and attacking someone for their past choices in an abusive relationship, especially as they're just beginning to come to the realization of how unhealthy it is, will likely re-entrench them. The same goes for similar over the top statements about the other person in the relationship. Why? Because people don't want to feel like an idiot, they don't want to feel dumb, and people tend to be naturally defensive. Even if you're attacking the other person in the relationship, the abused individual still feels like you're calling THEM an idiot because if the other person is so bad what does it say about themselves if they were with them. This leads to naturally defensive responses, which causes the person to cling back to the "good" qualities of the abuser in order to justify and defend themselves. Once they start going back down that road though, it returns them to the cycle of excusing the abuser and returning to that broken abusive relationship.

The girls at the table, for instance, weren't just criticizing Heidi. They were making fun and belittling her for dating Cartman, who they were also making fun of and belitting.

TL;DR - I don't think it was so much "don't criticize". Rather, I think it was suggesting that Trump and his supporters are similar to being in an Abusive Relationship, and that with abusive relationships, mocking and belittling people as they begin to finally realize the relationship isn't healthy is typically going to simply drive them into a naturally defensive position that causes them to stubbornly fall back into that abusive relationship.

That's the thing with Parker and Stone, when they make a message it's rarely just aimed squarely at one side of the equation.
 
I took it another way, but it may be based in having the context of the previous season.

Last season, Heidi and Cartman both felt ostracized. Heidi legitimately, since she "quit twitter" and was basically treated as if she killed herself and was now a ghost. Cartman, because he had all his electronics smashed and so he started acting as if he was was killed and was a ghost. They ran into each other and, since Cartman was acting very progressive and good all season long, got along and started dating. So the relationship was born out of this issue of Heidi being lost and alone, but finally finding someone who seemingly understood her.

Fast forward to this year and Cartman has been very different. Constantly passive aggressive and abusive to her, while acting like he was the one being abused mentally by her. It's been a bit of a background storyline throughout used to make a few jokes on different topics throughout the season. So how does this pertain here?

I think there's two messages. First, comparing Trump supporters to women in an abusive relationship. Those who fall into them usually have something missing in their lives that the abuser seemingly fulfilled early on. Due to this fulfillment, the woman will also overlook the glaring problems that come up later by trying to focus on those good qualities that filled an empty space, no matter how rare they are now in the relationship.

The second kind of speaks to both as well. I don't think they were trying to suggest that criticizing them just entrenches them. RATHER, I think it was poking at the notion that mocking, insulting, and attacking someone for their past choices in an abusive relationship, especially as they're just beginning to come to the realization of how unhealthy it is, will likely re-entrench them. The same goes for similar over the top statements about the other person in the relationship. Why? Because people don't want to feel like an idiot, they don't want to feel dumb, and people tend to be naturally defensive. Even if you're attacking the other person in the relationship, the abused individual still feels like you're calling THEM an idiot because if the other person is so bad what does it say about themselves if they were with them. This leads to naturally defensive responses, which causes the person to cling back to the "good" qualities of the abuser in order to justify and defend themselves. Once they start going back down that road though, it returns them to the cycle of excusing the abuser and returning to that broken abusive relationship.

The girls at the table, for instance, weren't just criticizing Heidi. They were making fun and belittling her for dating Cartman, who they were also making fun of and belitting.

TL;DR - I don't think it was so much "don't criticize". Rather, I think it was suggesting that Trump and his supporters are similar to being in an Abusive Relationship, and that with abusive relationships, mocking and belittling people as they begin to finally realize the relationship isn't healthy is typically going to simply drive them into a naturally defensive position that causes them to stubbornly fall back into that abusive relationship.

That's the thing with Parker and Stone, when they make a message it's rarely just aimed squarely at one side of the equation.

I didn't have that background, but the episode is certainly comparing a Trump supporter to a domestic/emotional abuse victim. But the focus wasn't on the abusive relationship itself, per se, but on Kyle's attempts to change her mind. The episode was subsequently an allegory on the many pitfalls that friends and family fall into in trying to extricate a loved one from an abusive relationship, and our (yes, I've been guilty of this) fevered attempts to understand just what it is that will break Trump's spell over his supporters, ignoring the obvious question of whether he even has a spell over them to begin with.

I agree that thoroughly mocking victims isn't especially effective, though the show only tangentially touches on the fact that Heidi had some despicable beliefs or was easily influenced into making them due to the power Cartman had over her. Although the episode is obviously a metaphor for Trump supporter as abuse victim, it's a watered down version of the reality that Trump supporters didn't need a push to get where they are in their beliefs. If the show's conclusion is that it's futile to change their minds, that's certainly a conclusion I've reached. If the show's conclusion is that there is a right way, but the way that everybody's gone about it is wrong, then I suspect that it's probably a domestic abuse counselor who would better be qualified to address that.
 
As a result of this thread I watched the first two episodes of the season, and I did something repeatedly that I haven't done with South Park in many, many years: I laughed out loud. Has South Park gotten new writers?
 
As a result of this thread I watched the first two episodes of the season, and I did something repeatedly that I haven't done with South Park in many, many years: I laughed out loud. Has South Park gotten new writers?

No new writers that I'm aware of, same as the past few years.

Last years was easily one of the worst years in a while. Started off with promise but just kind of died. They tried to make it serialized, continuing the same story thread week to week, which hampered their ability to both be topical and be random. That, and Trump actually winning threw a major wrench in their story and caused it to really go off track (yet another thing the election ****ed up).
 
If you don't watch it regularly or haven't seen the latest episode, watch it

Doubling Down - Full Episode - Season 21 - Ep 07 | South Park Studios

Yes, I know it's a cartoon. Yes, I know it's crude. But I had to say, the general message and comparison they were making is a pretty astute one. Plus it has Mitch McConnell calling himself a turtle :D

Sure, its funny, but nothing new. South Park is funnier when they offend equally. If they keep focusing on Trump, and the obvious targets of sarcasm, they will get boring.
 
Sure, its funny, but nothing new. South Park is funnier when they offend equally. If they keep focusing on Trump, and the obvious targets of sarcasm, they will get boring.

Should they have kept it to liberal Hollywood targets like in "Smug"?
 
Should they have kept it to liberal Hollywood targets like in "Smug"?

No, I said offend equally. Recently they are primarily just making fun of Trump. A worthy and easy target, but I expect more from South Park.
 
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