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‘Star Trek: Discovery’ Hints Klingons Modeled on Trump Voters: Racial Purity

Roadvirus said:
I doubt they will. It'll be a disaster. Hollywood today just can't help itself when it comes to inserting sociopolitical crap into TV and movies. It's a big turnoff.

Dear Hollywood: Entertain me, don't lecture me. THAT is your job. If i want a bull**** political lecture from dimwitted novices, i'll turn on CNN, MSNBC or The View.
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"Hollywood" has been 'inserting sociopolitical crap' into Star Trek since the original TV series, most specifically with Cold War and Civil Rights themes (the Doomsday Machine, the first interracial kiss on "Plato's Stepchildren", etc....)

To deny that is to admit one slept throught it.

The ignorance on this thread is really bracing.
 
Why is the USS Enterprise like toilet paper?

Because it circles Uranus looking for Klingons.
 
dirtpoorchris said:
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment...er-hints-show-klingons-modeled-162654181.html



God.. This new Startrek is going to kill the franchise. They are making it CBS stream $$$$ services exclusive. They are totally gutting the honor story of the klingons. The klingons look like skinny little pipsqueeks in razor armor. And I guess their entire culture is supposed to represent the extremist minority of Trump supporters. Way to kill my favorite franchise in the world.... Beam me, the ****, out.


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Dont believe everything you hear about the new star trek, the media is made up of almost exclusively retards

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spud_meister said:
Star Trek has always been political. :shrug:
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Its not being political that is the problem. It is casting everything in the view of the left. For example, can you think of something emanating from Hollywood that cast the left is a bad light?
 
PeteEU said:
LOL yea... first black woman to kiss a white man on TV!.. the TV show lost most of its viewers in the South. They were going to make a gay themed episode as well, where Sulu would come out.. but after how the black woman kissing a white man cratered their ratings, they did not want to risk that the rest of the US dropped them.

Star Trek has always been political, especially in the eyes of the right wing, who lets be fair.. see anything that they dont like as an attack against them. Paranoid bunch one could say! For **** sake it is just a fantasy TV show!
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Source?

Oh, and while you're at it, give us your source for "first black woman to kiss a white man on TV!.. the TV show lost most of its viewers in the South" too. Because I think you made that **** up.
 
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dirtpoorchris said:
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment...er-hints-show-klingons-modeled-162654181.html



God.. This new Startrek is going to kill the franchise. They are making it CBS stream $$$$ services exclusive. They are totally gutting the honor story of the klingons. The klingons look like skinny little pipsqueeks in razor armor. And I guess their entire culture is supposed to represent the extremist minority of Trump supporters. Way to kill my favorite franchise in the world.... Beam me, the ****, out.


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Wait, that purple person is supposed to be a Klingon? Ummmm, no.
 
countryboy said:
Source?

Oh, and while you're at it, give us your source for "first black woman to kiss a white man on TV!.. the TV show lost most of its viewers in the South" too. Because I think you made that **** up.
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There is none because literally none of that it true. Star Trek was already on the way out by the time the kiss happened. It was viewed pretty much favorably by all at the time Heres what Nichelle Nichols said about it

Nichelle Nichols observes that "Plato's Stepchildren" which first aired in November 1968 "received a huge response. We received one of the largest batches of fan mail ever, all of it very positive, with many addressed to me from girls wondering how it felt to kiss Captain Kirk, and many to him from guys wondering the same thing about me. However, almost no one found the kiss offensive" except from a single mildly negative letter from one white Southerner who wrote: "I am totally opposed to the mixing of the races. However, any time a red-blooded American boy like Captain Kirk gets a beautiful dame in his arms that looks like Uhura, he ain't gonna fight it."
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and as far as Sulu coming out as gay Takei pretty much smashed that when he got mad the new Sulu was gay

Although Takei describes himself as “delighted” that there’s a gay character in the new movie, he says he just doesn’t think it should be Sulu, a character whom he insists Roddenberry fleshed out fully — and who was always straight.
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Fletch said:
Its not being political that is the problem. It is casting everything in the view of the left. For example, can you think of something emanating from Hollywood that cast the left is a bad light?
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Can you name any media with a political agenda that doesn't cast opposition to that agenda in a negative light? If Star Trek promoted a conservative agenda, it wouldn't be better or worse, but I doubt you'd be complaining.
 
Crovax said:
There is none because literally none of that it true. Star Trek was already on the way out by the time the kiss happened. It was viewed pretty much favorably by all at the time Heres what Nichelle Nichols said about it



and as far as Sulu coming out as gay Takei pretty much smashed that when he got mad the new Sulu was gay
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Yeah, I knew Pete made that **** up, I just wanted to shine a light on his bull****.
 
spud_meister said:
Can you name any media with a political agenda that doesn't cast opposition to that agenda in a negative light? If Star Trek promoted a conservative agenda, it wouldn't be better or worse, but I doubt you'd be complaining.
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So, you cant answer my question then.
 
PeteEU said:
Come on.. reruns dont matter ****. The franchise has been dead on TV since Enterprise was shut down. It has gained some traction as new movies, but else they have been living off the past glory and even that is getting thin.. I am a massive fan, but having watched all the series at least 3 times each, then well.. lets just say I wont be watching them any time soon.

And you are complaining about the Klingons and how they look.. yea yea, you do know that they have changed the look of the Klingon race several times? They tried to explain that inconsistency in Enterprise and almost got away with it.
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You mean the virus that made them lose their ridges?
 
dirtpoorchris said:
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment...er-hints-show-klingons-modeled-162654181.html



God.. This new Startrek is going to kill the franchise. They are making it CBS stream $$$$ services exclusive. They are totally gutting the honor story of the klingons. The klingons look like skinny little pipsqueeks in razor armor. And I guess their entire culture is supposed to represent the extremist minority of Trump supporters. Way to kill my favorite franchise in the world.... Beam me, the ****, out.


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I can't speak to any of this until I see it, but I would like to say that Star Trek, when it is done correctly, works best when it is exploring these kinds of issues. Will this Star Trek work? I have no idea, but it obviously should be exploring these kinds of issues in the new series, but also income inequality and so forth. I'm not a purist in the sense that Star Trek changes again and again, but the main issue I would hold is if they try to turn this into something that doesn't have the spirit of Star Trek --using aliens to explore human nature and topical political issues from an almost anthropological viewpoint. If they shy away from exploring topics in any depth or ignore whole subject matter in order to appease corporate meritocracy or just make it about visuals, then I think that's what would be the real betrayal of the Star Trek franchise.
 
American said:
You mean the virus that made them lose their ridges?
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Yea. There was always an explanation issue between the Klingons of the original Star Trek, who frankly looked more like Romulans and certainly had no ridges, and the Klingons of the movies and the next generation series. They got to explain that in Enterprise in a whole story arc, and frankly did a damn good job.
 
PeteEU said:
Yea. There was always an explanation issue between the Klingons of the original Star Trek, who frankly looked more like Romulans and certainly had no ridges, and the Klingons of the movies and the next generation series. They got to explain that in Enterprise in a whole story arc, and frankly did a damn good job.
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I thought they looked like pirates, and needed a makeover.
 
American said:
I thought they looked like pirates, and needed a makeover.
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Hehe, well it was the CGI, or lack of CGI of the time that was the problem.. and make up for that matter. They basically looked like asians of the time in the movies. Go back and watch a movie of the 1940s-60s with "asian" character and it is remarkable how they look like that.

But when the Klingons were re-introduced in the movies, they looked much different (and better tbh) than the ones we knew from the series and that caused issues among fans.
 
Fletch said:
So, you cant answer my question then.
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I'm fully aware of the bias of pop culture. But my point is if your issue with it the bias, and not the political nature, then you don't really have an issue.
 
Shows work when they model something on reality. But fiction based on a fictitious understanding of reality should be an interesting cluster****.
 
Star Trek shouldn’t be restricted to being commentary on contemporary society, but it should ascend us to new levels of stimulate our imagination about what the future might be like and the unique problems we will face then if other intelligent species inhabiting other worlds come into contact with us.

When I was a kid I used to watch a show called Beast Wars. It was late 90s CGI but pretty impressive for its time. Now that was a kids show based on the Transformers franchise, yet when I went back and revisited some episodes I was surprised how interesting the concept was. For example, one of the story arcs is how an alien race called the Vok which cannot be perceived by the Transformers in corporal form have actually seeded prehistoric planet Earth with a powerful energy source called energon. It is later implied that these Vok are in fact the future of human evolution, maybe hundreds of thousands or even millions of years from now, that live in a different dimension or nexus. They have seeded prehistoric Earth with energon presumably to ensure that humanity will use it as the primary power source and discover it instead of relying on fossil fuels, which will drastically change the course of history and radically advance our development of technology (a bit like Stephen Hawking's suggestion that the most advanced intelligent life in outer space will have developed the technology to harness the power of entire star to power its civilization). When the Transformers arrive on prehistoric Earth using transwarp technology, they end up “contaminating” the project of the Vok, so the Vok activate a false moon which is actually a weapon that will in turn trigger all the energon on the planet to explode wiping out the entire Earth. It is implied that the Vok can carry out this experiment again and again which is truly mind boggling. Such imaginative ideas for a sci fi series is much better than much of contemporary sci fi like Star Trek Discovery.
 
It's not like Khan wasn't commentary about the flaws of our (then) recent attempts to utilize positive eugenics to create a super race or anything.
 
Fletch said:
Its not being political that is the problem. It is casting everything in the view of the left. For example, can you think of something emanating from Hollywood that cast the left is a bad light?
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You could just do a little suspension of disbelief like I do. It's not like I buy into the general goodness behind the premise of the Federation. It always struck me as too wedded to the social science fact/value distinction, but not quite willing to examine whether or not its relativism got in the way of its overall plotlines. Most of Next Generations was the crew acting like our contemporary cultural anthropologists, after all.
 
PeteEU said:
LOL yea... first black woman to kiss a white man on TV!.. the TV show lost most of its viewers in the South. They were going to make a gay themed episode as well, where Sulu would come out.. but after how the black woman kissing a white man cratered their ratings, they did not want to risk that the rest of the US dropped them.

Star Trek has always been political, especially in the eyes of the right wing, who lets be fair.. see anything that they dont like as an attack against them. Paranoid bunch one could say! For **** sake it is just a fantasy TV show!
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I grew up in the south watching Star Trek, got any proof?
 
dirtpoorchris said:
Its gonna be a huge flop. Someone is trying to assassinate the franchise and turn it into their own little thing.
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The franchise is doing fine... that particular show might suck balls like Enterprise did though...
 
Bodhisattva said:
The franchise is doing fine... that particular show might suck balls like Enterprise did though...
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I was hearing mixed reviews, myself. I'm waiting on a Blu-ray release or no dice. I, myself, have no interest in subsidizing another foolish effort to create even more television media silos. Online? Okay, but put it on Netflix or Amazon. :p
 
Fiddytree said:
I was hearing mixed reviews, myself. I'm waiting on a Blu-ray release or no dice. I, myself, have no interest in subsidizing another foolish effort to create even more television media silos. Online? Okay, but put it on Netflix or Amazon. :p
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I just watch the movies now. T.V. Nex Gen and the original were great. Voyager ok. The rest sucked.
 
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