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The 13th Doctor is.... revealed to us[W:237]

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Renae said:
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No problem with me. I was an avid Dr. Who fan with doctors 1-7, from Hartnell through Sylvester McCoy. In fact I have all the episodes on VHS for that time frame. But I never really cared for the new TV shows beginning in 1995 or so. Tom Baker was always my favorite Doctor with probably McCoy in second. Although I liked all the first seven doctors.

Jodie Whittaker becoming the 13th is fine with me. I rarely watched any of the episodes from 1995 on. Perhaps doctor'ed out. I wonder since there were suppose to be only 13 reincarnations or doctor lives, what will happen when Whittaker leaves.
 
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Henrin said:
Do you even understand how the motivations here are actually sexist?
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How is that?
 
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ecofarm said:
How is that?
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Several reasons.

1. The motivation is that women need women to look up too, so therefore there needs to be more female characters.
2. Women will tune in more if there is a woman than if there is not.
3. If one is true then it would follow that men need male characters to look up too, so therefore removing male characters following their logic would actually harm men. Of course, the view point doesn't take this into account.

Of course, none of those assumptions are true, but they are very sexist none the less.
 
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Henrin said:
Several reasons.

1. The motivation is that women need women to look up too, so therefore there needs to be more female characters.
2. Women will tune in more if there is a woman than if there is not.
3. If one is true then it would follow that men need male characters to look up too, so therefore removing male characters following their logic would actually harm men. Of course, the view point doesn't take this into account.

Of course, none of those assumptions are true, but they are very sexist none the less.
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None of that is sexist, and (3) is just stupid.

Are you sure you know what sexism means?
 
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ecofarm said:
None of that is sexist, and (3) is just stupid.

Are you sure you know what sexism means?
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Yes, it is. The assumption is that women are not empowered by seeing male characters, but only people like them. How is saying to women they need to see someone like them to feel empowered not sexist? Why is a woman not capable to feel empowered by seeing male characters. Also, three does logically follow one, so it's not stupid.
 
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Henrin said:
Yes, it is. The assumption is that women are not empowered by seeing male characters, but only people like them.
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There's no such assumption.

How is saying to women they need to see someone like them to feel empowered not sexist?
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No one is saying any such thing.

]Why is a woman not capable to feel empowered by seeing male characters.
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Sure they can, but especially for young women and girls, an intrinsic association with the hero character helps.

Also, three does logically follow one, so it's not stupid.
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No, it's stupid. Men are over-represented in hero characters, women are not. And men are not disadvantaged minorities, women are.


There's nothing sexist about the change. Unless you have a claim that makes sense...
 
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Henrin said:
I see. So if I'm opposed to something and I talk about it a lot that means that I can't handle it.
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It's the puddle of tears at your feet that's the giveaway.
 
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ecofarm said:
There's no such assumption.
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That is fact the assumption.

No one is saying any such thing.
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Yes, there is lot of people saying it.

Sure they can, but especially for young women and girls, an intrinsic association with the hero character helps.
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I see, so you're saying it's not assumption but a fact. It seems to me that you view is saying women are weak and shallow.

No, it's stupid. Men are over-represented in hero characters, women are not. And men are not disadvantaged minorities, women are.
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I don't even get the stupid disadvantaged minority part in your post since it has squat to do with psychology, which is what we are talking about.
 
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Nilly said:
It's the puddle of tears at your feet that's the giveaway.
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Do have anything to say other than you wish for me to report you for insults?
 
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Henrin said:
That is fact the assumption.
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No, that's your dumbass strawman.

Yes, there is lot of people saying it.
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No, only you.

I see, so you're saying it's not assumption but a fact. It seems to me that you view is saying women are weak and shallow.
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That's just your idiotic "reasoning".

I don't even get the stupid disadvantaged minority part in your post since it has squat to do with psychology, which is what we are talking about.
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Wrong.


So, you don't have any reasonable claim the change is sexist.
 
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Andalublue said:
I'm really looking forward to the Whittaker/Chibnall era. Jodie Whittaker's a great actor. Watch the first season of Broadchurch (the UK original of Gracepoint)in which she played a grieving mother with a complexity and controlled fury that was utterly convincing. Chibnall wrote and produced it and it was one of the best crime series ever.

I actually thought that they would have a female Doctor, but that it would be the magnificent Olivia Colman (The Night Manager), who was also in Broadchurch. Never mind, Whittaker will be great.
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If there's a noticeable increase in the quality of writing I'll tune in. I'm very excited to see Whittaker in the role and I'll watch an ep or two to see what she brings to the role, but the show got way too reliant on Deus Ex Machina's to resolve it's episodes and it got really dull.
 
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Henrin said:
Do have anything to say other than you wish for me to report you for insults?
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Henrin said:
Several reasons.

1. The motivation is that women need women to look up too, so therefore there needs to be more female characters.
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Is that the stated motivation, or is that your belief?
2. Women will tune in more if there is a woman than if there is not.
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Same question.
3. If one is true then it would follow that men need male characters to look up too, so therefore removing male characters following their logic would actually harm men. Of course, the view point doesn't take this into account.

Of course, none of those assumptions are true, but they are very sexist none the less.
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And your actual evidence that these were the motivations? I mean from a source other than your anal oriface.
 
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ecofarm said:
No, that's your dumbass strawman.



No, only you.



That's just your idiotic "reasoning".



Wrong.


So, you don't have any reasonable claim the change is sexist.
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Did you run out of arguments already? Sad.
 
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Henrin said:
Real men talk about whatever they want. lol
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How do you feel about a male landing strip?

Wait. Don't tell me.




How do you feel about The Doctor's landing strip?
 
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Perotista said:
No problem with me. I was an avid Dr. Who fan with doctors 1-7, from Hartnell through Sylvester McCoy. In fact I have all the episodes on VHS for that time frame. But I never really cared for the new TV shows beginning in 1995 or so. Tom Baker was always my favorite Doctor with probably McCoy in second. Although I liked all the first seven doctors.

Jodie Whittaker becoming the 13th is fine with me. I rarely watched any of the episodes from 1995 on. Perhaps doctor'ed out. I wonder since there were suppose to be only 13 reincarnations or doctor lives, what will happen when Whittaker leaves.
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Oh, that business about 13 incarnations? They didn't want to end the show, so they cheated.


See The Time of the Doctor.


Lame episode, imo, but it at least tries to give a reason for ignoring the 12-regen limit. Fair enough, since I don't think anyone expected the show to last this long.
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
But the doctor who series never established the fact that all doctors had to be male.
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As a matter of fact, the master turned into the Mistress.. and the general regenerated into a woman too.
 
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Henrin said:
Yes, I'm opposed to this because they made a male character a female to appeal to women. Do you even understand how the motivations here are actually sexist?
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An "ism" is a belief that a category of persons is inferior or superior based on that category, where the category is one that has traditionally been discriminated against.

I know you think that that is evil SJW poopery, but no.


There may be legitimate reasons for opposing the idea, but when someone who doesn't even like the show gets mad, it looks like an "ism" - an idea that a woman just can't play the role because women something something. It doesn't help if that someone got mad about someone else's manscaping or.......how do you feel about this.....pejazzling?

The motivations are only sexist if someone thought "geeze, females are superior to men in the Doctor's qualities, so we'll make him a her from now on". That's not the case. They may have done it because they want girls to have a strong role model. That's not an "ism"
 
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RAMOSS said:
As a matter of fact, the master turned into the Mistress.. and the general regenerated into a woman too.
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Ehhh, hold on though. The entire idea of sex-change regeneration started with Moffat, and the things you mention happened under him. So, yes, there is precedent.




For the rest of the show's existence, there were Time Lords and Time Ladies, and the only time anything related to sex was mentioned was in the beginning, with Susan being The Doctor's "grand daughter". Nobody thought about sex-change regeneration or, in fact, anything to do with their society beyond stuffiness. It was simply treated as/assumed as similar.

So, whether we like the idea or no, the precedent is pretty new.
 
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Mr Person said:
Ehhh, hold on though. The entire idea of sex-change regeneration started with Moffat, and the things you mention happened under him. So, yes, there is precedent.




For the rest of the show's existence, there were Time Lords and Time Ladies, and the only time anything related to sex was mentioned was in the beginning, with Susan being The Doctor's "grand daughter".

So, whether we like the idea or no, the precedent is pretty new.
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I believe it was mentioned as a concept in the 1980's.
 
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RAMOSS said:
I believe it was mentioned as a concept in the 1980's.
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1986 indeed.

I'm just saying, in-show-universe there was nothing until reboot S6. I'm giving it a chance, but, it does seem to me like something coming from the outside, not a natural evolution. (And even Chinball said it was always going to be a woman for 13).

Henrin's angle is silly though. Has nothing to do with some kind of anti-male sexism.
 
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Redress said:
Did you hear that Mark Walburg is going to play Asuka in the Hollywood live action NGE movie?
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He could never pull it off.
 
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Ikari said:
He could never pull it off.
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Yeah, I know, it was a joke. It is really Rosie O'Donnell.
 
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Perotista said:
No problem with me. I was an avid Dr. Who fan with doctors 1-7, from Hartnell through Sylvester McCoy. In fact I have all the episodes on VHS for that time frame. But I never really cared for the new TV shows beginning in 1995 or so. Tom Baker was always my favorite Doctor with probably McCoy in second. Although I liked all the first seven doctors.

Jodie Whittaker becoming the 13th is fine with me. I rarely watched any of the episodes from 1995 on. Perhaps doctor'ed out. I wonder since there were suppose to be only 13 reincarnations or doctor lives, what will happen when Whittaker leaves.
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Gallifrey granted the Doctor a new set of regens.
 
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Mr Person said:
1986 indeed.

I'm just saying, in-show-universe there was nothing until reboot S6. I'm giving it a chance, but, it does seem to me like something coming from the outside, not a natural evolution. (And even Chinball said it was always going to be a woman for 13).

Henrin's angle is silly though. Has nothing to do with some kind of anti-male sexism.
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That's my issue. "We WILL HAVE A LADY DOCTOR" come hell or highwater... is that really the best path for the character? Is the motivation driving the change really going to pay off? The better bring on a new writing team, cause the last 4 seasons have been really falling off.
 
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