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The 13th Doctor is.... revealed to us[W:237]

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Renae said:
Very necessary, Most of seasons 8 and 9 were trash and 10 was saved by Bill.
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Bill was very nice, sad to see her go after just one season and the same goes for Nardole (love that guy, especially in Little Britain), I will miss him too.
 
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Bodhisattva said:
I think changing a characters gender is stupid... just write new characters. Kill off the old Dr. Who and write in a female that takes over, that is no big deal but the character is a male. I also think changing the race is stupid but far less so. There was talk of James Bond being played by Idris Elba. A great actor. Cool. Tough. Black. If they want to do that that is fine... just kill of the current 007 and make Idris 004 or something.

Superman is a man. Wonder Woman is a woman.

If a character is not really set in certain ways, like Zulu on Star Trek... then that is fine. They made him gay in the last movie because the actor that played him in the original series is gay in real life. They did the same with the new Dark Tower movie. Roland I think was supposed to be white in the book, although I read it 8 times or so I really can't remember if King wrote him white or if I just assumed he was white. Well, Idris Elba is playing him in the movie. That seems cool to me. All good and it looks awesome.

If women want to watch cool strong female roles then that is great. I am glad they made Wonder Woman finally... my daughters love it... just make new characters rather than hi-jack male ones.
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It is an alien with 2 hearts who can change into whatever he/she wants to change into, that is the beauty of the doctor. It (because it only takes the figure of a human, it could even reform as a different species all together). There are no rules in the change of a doctor.

The doctor also is not being hi-jacked, he is just female for this regeneration cycle and may be back to male the next time. I, as a whovian, do not care about the gender change. It is not about this having to be a woman, it is just nice that for a change it is a woman.
 
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Well, the doctor has landed, literally even. The first episode is quite aptly named "the woman who fell to earth" and it is as good as a regeneration episode of the doctor is going to be. The last few regeneration episodes were also nothing more than OK. And this to me was more than OK. With a new showrunner this show was always going to be a bit different but different doesn't automatically mean worse and so far it was not.

It was old time enjoyable, Jody did excellently as the 13th doctor and her new companions seem real nice. Not going to give away spoilers but I cannot wait for next weeks episode.
 
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Peter King said:
Well, the doctor has landed, literally even. The first episode is quite aptly named "the woman who fell to earth" and it is as good as a regeneration episode of the doctor is going to be. The last few regeneration episodes were also nothing more than OK. And this to me was more than OK. With a new showrunner this show was always going to be a bit different but different doesn't automatically mean worse and so far it was not.

It was old time enjoyable, Jody did excellently as the 13th doctor and her new companions seem real nice. Not going to give away spoilers but I cannot wait for next weeks episode.
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Ms. Whitaker did an excellent job: she found the fundamental core of The Doctor, to be recognizable as the Doctor, it with her own idiosyncracies. She clearly borrowed a lot from David Tenant (who she knows well) but at the same time it wasn’t a jarring change from Capaldi.
 
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Bodhisattva said:
I think changing a characters gender is stupid... just write new characters. Kill off the old Dr. Who and write in a female that takes over, that is no big deal but the character is a male.
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1. The character’s name is not “Doctor Who.” Seriously if you don’t even know that, how can you comment at all?
2. The old Doctor was killed off and a new one took over. Whitaker is the Thirteenth Doctor. Every time, the old one dies and regenerates into a new Doctor of different apparent age, hair color, eye color accent, mannerisms, etc.
3. The first 6 Doctors were played by English actors and the first 8 spoke with a Received Pronunciation. Were they wrong to cast a Scottish actor for the Seventh Doctor and/or then let the 9th Doctor speak with a Lancashire accent?

I also think changing the race is stupid but far less so. There was talk of James Bond being played by Idris Elba. A great actor. Cool. Tough. Black. If they want to do that that is fine... just kill of the current 007 and make Idris 004 or something.
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While I personally am convinced that a James Bond is a Time Lord, nbthe Bond series, the change in appearance is ignored as if there never was a change. That’s completely different from Doctor Who.

Superman is a man. Wonder Woman is a woman.
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And neither regularly changes appearance. The Doctor does. If the Doctor can change from a 31 year old Englishman to a 55 year old Scotsman, how is then changing to a 36 year old Englishwoman any different.

I mean, it would be one thing if the appearance change wasn’t part of the story, but it’s been integral to Doctor Who since 1966.
 
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I have seen quite a few reviews on youtube and stories online and mostly the new doctor is a "hit" or should I say not different in character to the last few doctors. She is cheerful when needed, serious when she has to and determined when confronting the baddy, a horrendous monster I must say. Not to give too much away, but not good for people with a fear of dentists LOL
 
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pinqy said:
1. The character’s name is not “Doctor Who.” Seriously if you don’t even know that, how can you comment at all?
2. The old Doctor was killed off and a new one took over. Whitaker is the Thirteenth Doctor. Every time, the old one dies and regenerates into a new Doctor of different apparent age, hair color, eye color accent, mannerisms, etc.
3. The first 6 Doctors were played by English actors and the first 8 spoke with a Received Pronunciation. Were they wrong to cast a Scottish actor for the Seventh Doctor and/or then let the 9th Doctor speak with a Lancashire accent?

While I personally am convinced that a James Bond is a Time Lord, nbthe Bond series, the change in appearance is ignored as if there never was a change. That’s completely different from Doctor Who.




I mean, it would be one thing if the appearance change wasn’t part of the story, but it’s been integral to Doctor Who since 1966.
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When I say "the Dr. Who" I am obviously referring to "the Dr. Who CHARACTER"... :roll:

Can you find any other year old posts to comment about?

And neither regularly changes appearance. The Doctor does. If the Doctor can change from a 31 year old Englishman to a 55 year old Scotsman, how is then changing to a 36 year old Englishwoman any different.
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because the difference between an adult white male Scotsman and an adult white male Englishman is barely noticeable to anybody outside of those two countries...
 
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Bodhisattva said:
When I say "the Dr. Who" I am obviously referring to "the Dr. Who CHARACTER"... :roll:

Can you find any other year old posts to comment about?



because the difference between an adult white male Scotsman and an adult white male Englishman is barely noticeable to anybody outside of those two countries...
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but he is not English or Scottish, he is a timelord ad timelords can and do change gender. That it had not happened in the past says more about the archaic and lack of flexibility by both BBC execs and some in the public.

Just like native American roles were played by white people, they even played most latino parts. Before Sidney Poitier there were no real black TV stars to speak off, he was the first male to win a non-honorary academy award. Dr. Martin Luther King supposedly said that his kids were allowed to watch Star Trek TOS because a black female played an officer on the bridge in that show.

Let us be honest and admit that change is slow and hard work. And television has the image of being somewhat liberal and there change came very slowly too. For a black woman or a man to succeed one needed to be extraordinarily talented. Like Bill Cosby, before him no black American starred in a drama show. It all came down to the emancipation and the civil rights era that change actually came around.

But for women that change is also very difficult, most women are not given the same high wages as men (with a few exceptions) and most title roles are predominantly male. Even now in 2018 most shows do not have an 2 women as the lead in a TV show but 2 men are very common.

The doctor is a gender neutral title IMHO no matter how many men played that part in the past. Now it is a women and so far she seems to be making the part her own and doing this with great acting and personally as a Whovian my skin tingled and I got goosebumps when she said "I am the Doctor" and she was. Other people may feel this is a male role being stolen by a female, but it isn't. She just changed her appearance as the doctor does. The 2005 Doctor was asked by Rose why he sounded like someone from the North and the Doctor answered "A lot of plants have a North". The Docter's appearance is accidental, meaningless, old looking, young looking, sounding Scottish, sounding Northener, now sounding with a Sheffield accent, purely accidental as the doctor is a fluid character, all that the Doctor has really is his morality, looks are not important whatsoever.

So now the Doctor is a woman and I could care less, she is the Doctor, pure and simple.
 
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I'm an old Doctor Who fan from way back (my favorite was the 3rd Doctor, Jon Pertwee)... admittedly, I'm not up to speed on the newer episodes, but I thought the Doctor was only supposed to have 12 incarnations? How'd they get around that?
 
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Crovax said:
So you see no problem if they cast Channing Tatum as wonder woman for the sequel to that movie?
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I would watch that movie. But he has to act as if he's the only one that can't tell he's a man. Like he has to believe he is a woman. But everyone else can tell.
 
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Cordelier said:
I'm an old Doctor Who fan from way back (my favorite was the 3rd Doctor, Jon Pertwee)... admittedly, I'm not up to speed on the newer episodes, but I thought the Doctor was only supposed to have 12 incarnations? How'd they get around that?
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Because the Doctor was given a new regeneration cycle by the Time Lords at the end of the 2013 Christmas special The Time of the Doctor. It’s been known since the 20th anniversary special that the Time Lord High Council can grant new regeneration cycles to certain Time Lords, to circumvent the thirteen-life, twelve-regeneration limit. And they did that with the Doctor because they needed him to save them from the invaders appearing over the link to Gallifrey (basically, the Doctor prevented his archenemies the Daleks from killing off the Time Lords in the previous episode by moving Gallifrey into a pocket universe; the Time Lords wanted to return to our universe, so they created a link to a crack in space-time on the planet Trenzalore, the crack having been made by agents exploding the Doctor’s spaceship/time machine, or TARDIS, in an attempt to prevent him allowing the Time Lords’ return); if he died, that would be the end of the Time Lords. (Actually, there’s also a story in there involving the name of the Doctor, in which if he speaks his name through the crack, the Time Lords take it as a password to return to our universe. They have many enemies, hence the invaders over Trenzalore seeking to destroy the returning Gallifrey once and for all, and thus the agents being sent back in time to explode the TARDIS.)

https://www.quora.com/Why-can-The-Doctor-regenerate-more-than-12-times-Hes-had-13-lives-now-Peter-being-the-13th

The doctor was close to dying, in fact he was every old but as sated above he was gifted a new set of regeneration cycle.
 
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ecofarm said:
It's sexist because you have a problem with a male character becoming female. Why is that an important issue for you? Why do you have a problem with it? Why are you so obsessed about biological sex?

Why is it bad? Only because you have some weird personal problem with it.
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Depends, you cannot change the gender of superman because there is a supergirl, the same with wonder woman, the gender is in the name.

Having a man play a woman is not really logical, but that is not the issue with Doctor Who, there is no gender attached to "the doctor". The Doctor is a timelord, not a man or a woman but a space alien.
 
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Peter King said:
Because the Doctor was given a new regeneration cycle by the Time Lords at the end of the 2013 Christmas special The Time of the Doctor. It’s been known since the 20th anniversary special that the Time Lord High Council can grant new regeneration cycles to certain Time Lords, to circumvent the thirteen-life, twelve-regeneration limit. And they did that with the Doctor because they needed him to save them from the invaders appearing over the link to Gallifrey (basically, the Doctor prevented his archenemies the Daleks from killing off the Time Lords in the previous episode by moving Gallifrey into a pocket universe; the Time Lords wanted to return to our universe, so they created a link to a crack in space-time on the planet Trenzalore, the crack having been made by agents exploding the Doctor’s spaceship/time machine, or TARDIS, in an attempt to prevent him allowing the Time Lords’ return); if he died, that would be the end of the Time Lords. (Actually, there’s also a story in there involving the name of the Doctor, in which if he speaks his name through the crack, the Time Lords take it as a password to return to our universe. They have many enemies, hence the invaders over Trenzalore seeking to destroy the returning Gallifrey once and for all, and thus the agents being sent back in time to explode the TARDIS.)

https://www.quora.com/Why-can-The-Doctor-regenerate-more-than-12-times-Hes-had-13-lives-now-Peter-being-the-13th

The doctor was close to dying, in fact he was every old but as sated above he was gifted a new set of regeneration cycle.
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Well, that's bloody convenient! *L*

The Daleks were a threat to the Time Lords?? *L* I always figured they were more of a threat to themselves.
 
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Cordelier said:
Well, that's bloody convenient! *L*

The Daleks were a threat to the Time Lords?? *L* I always figured they were more of a threat to themselves.
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They are a threat to all mankind/universe kind, they are a pesky lot however you look at it.
 
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Peter King said:
They are a threat to all mankind/universe kind, they are a pesky lot however you look at it.
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Sure... but I figure a race as powerful as the Time Lords ought to be handle them with ease. Come to think of it, doesn't give you pause of thought that out of all the Time Lords, only the Doctor and the Master seem to be worth a damn?
 
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Cordelier said:
Sure... but I figure a race as powerful as the Time Lords ought to be handle them with ease. Come to think of it, doesn't give you pause of thought that out of all the Time Lords, only the Doctor and the Master seem to be worth a damn?
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But there no longer was a race of Time Lords, they were locked in the time war, the Doctor locked his people in there. The Time Lords were in a final battle and the war was not going well, so the leaders of the Time Lords, Lord Rassilon wanted to destroy the universe itself.

The Time Lords and the Daleks were involved in a war with the Skaro Degradations, the Horde of Travesties, the Nightmare Child, the Could-Have-Been-King with his army of Meanwhiles and Neverweres. The war had turned into hell and the Time Lords had decided that the only way to defeat their enemies was to rip apart the Time Vortex, destroying time itself, Rassilon and his idiots were convinced that when they destroyed the Time Vortex they become creatures of conciousness alone - free of their bodies, free of time, and cause and effect.

The Doctor had to make a decision to stop these mad Time Lords and thus he locked them, the majority of the Daleks, the Skaro Degredations, the horde of Travesties, the Nightmare Child and the Could-Have-Been-King with his army of Meanwhiles and Neverweres into a Time Lock, where none could escape.

The only Time Lords not locked into this Time Lock were the Doctor and the Master/Missy. At least that is how the story has evolved since 2005 (roughly).

Also the number of TIme Lords is not as large as the number of Daleks, nor where they as single minded or where the only ones who fought with the Time Lords.

There are huge hordes of Daleks even if they destroyed a lot of them, they can still reproduce with their insane leader/creator Davros.
 
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I thought the new episode was decent. I always have to give a few episodes to see how a new Dr develops into the series to see if I like them or not. That being said, I did actually love Peter Capaldi, but thought that his run overall was plagued by terrible writing. So more than just the 13th Doctor, I hope they can get to writing better episodes as well. I hope it does, I love Dr. Who and I want it to get the attention and ratings it deserves.
 
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Ikari said:
I thought the new episode was decent. I always have to give a few episodes to see how a new Dr develops into the series to see if I like them or not. That being said, I did actually love Peter Capaldi, but thought that his run overall was plagued by terrible writing. So more than just the 13th Doctor, I hope they can get to writing better episodes as well. I hope it does, I love Dr. Who and I want it to get the attention and ratings it deserves.
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The first 2 episodes were not bad and the New Doctor did a good job but so far I mostly see a lot of money and energy spent on visual spectacle only. The energy and sense of urgency/speed that is the doctor has not been on show so far. The writing will have to improve a lot too.
 
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Peter King said:
The first 2 episodes were not bad and the New Doctor did a good job but so far I mostly see a lot of money and energy spent on visual spectacle only. The energy and sense of urgency/speed that is the doctor has not been on show so far. The writing will have to improve a lot too.
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Yeah, it will. I did enjoy the first two episodes. For effects...I mean Dr. Who has always been a little low-budget and campy. I think that adds to the show, rather than distracts. She's done a good job thus far as the Dr., I hope it continues. And I hope the writing can make for some really nice episodes.
 
Latest episode is going to create a **** storm in parts of the US...but a damn good episode it is.

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Not a lot of spacey stuff, but a worthy if a little clunky trip in time.
 
PeteEU said:
Latest episode is going to create a **** storm in parts of the US...but a damn good episode it is.

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It was indeed a very good episode.
 
It really was not that good of an episode.

Sure, people love its subject matter, but . . .

The villain was pointless, with a motivation that was never made clear. Nothing he did made any sense. A story without a good villain is rarely a very good story. They had to "fix" history, but we really have no idea why it was messed up in the first place.

There are two things the British can't ever seem to do well . . . American history and American accents. British actors REALLY can't do Southern accents. The worst was the waitress.

The episode did not in any way evoke the South. It was clearly the product of people who had only ever read about it but have never been there. Didn't look like it, didn't feel like it. The bus was right, though.

And no, it did not cause a "****storm" anywhere, and there's no reason why it would. That's what I mean about places you've only ever read about.
 
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