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Mariah Carey botches Times Square New Year's Eve performance

I dont think people need to be so stupid as to go along with anything journalists say, particularly when there is no evidence of lip syncing.

But then again, it is not a crime to just repeat what others say without giving it a thought. It is not the first time for some of the posters in this thread
 
Ahlevah said:
But I don't think a performer regarded as so-called "A-list" talent should be lip synching. I can't imagine going to an opera and seeing those high notes from those divas coming from a sound track. Can you?
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Ever seen a middle-aged soprano sing an aria outdoors in 30-40 degree weather?

Ahlevah said:
And you can bet your sweet bippy that on January 20th whatever comes out of Jackie Evancho's mouth will be live. Josh Groban said it well:
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Many would have said the same thing about Beyonce. Josh Groban deleted his tweet.
 
sangha said:
there was no lip-syncing. With lip-syncing, the lead vocal track is pre-recorded. In this video there was no lead vocal because MC wasnt singing
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Didn't the recording come in on the high notes? Like she was supposed to stop singing and let the recording handle that part?
 
Taylor said:
Ever seen a middle-aged soprano sing an aria outdoors in 30-40 degree weather?
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Well, while it isn't an opera aria, the Star Spangled Banner is nonetheless a challenging song, and I've seen classically-trained singers belt it out at NFL games during virtual blizzards. Do you have any idea how cold it is in Buffalo or Green Bay in January? Linked below is a video of Renée Fleming, who was just shy of her 55th birthday when she sang the national anthem during Super Bowl XLVIII at the Meadowlands in East Rutherford, New Jersey. (She caught a break, though, on the temperature, which was 46 degrees at kickoff. A winter storm began six hours after the game ended.) Notice those high notes at the end.

https://youtu.be/tMCvcHmZB5Y

Taylor said:
Many would have said the same thing about Beyonce.
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I'll say it: Another "A-list" act who didn't want to risk a screw up, lip syncing the national anthem at Obama's Second Inaugural. That won't happen this year.

Taylor said:
Josh Groban deleted his tweet.
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Yeah, Groban deleted the tweet only because he apparently meant it to be humorous and thought people would misconstrue his sentiment. For the record, he doesn't like it when great singers lip sync. I'm guessing then that he, for one, never does it.

Josh Groban Deletes Snarky Tweet About Mariah Carey's New Year's Eve Performance?Here's Why | E! News
 
Ahlevah said:
Didn't the recording come in on the high notes? Like she was supposed to stop singing and let the recording handle that part?
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There were some bits of pre-recorded vocal but that wasnt the main vocal track. I am not familiar with her songs, but it is common practice to double-track vocals on albums. my assumption is that she would be singing the main vocal track when those little bits would come in to sweeten her vocal performance.
 
sangha said:
There were some bits of pre-recorded vocal but that wasnt the main vocal track. I am not familiar with her songs, but it is common practice to double-track vocals on albums. my assumption is that she would be singing the main vocal track when those little bits would come in to sweeten her vocal performance.
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"Sweeten," eh? Isn't that just another word for a vocal "crutch" in case the singer can't hit that High C?
 
I have read like a dozen pieces, not one tells me exactly what went wrong. I do see that Dick Clark Productions says that they had nothing to do with it, which presumably means that they are saying this was all Carey and her crew. Carey blames them of course.
 
Ahlevah said:
"Sweeten," eh? Isn't that just another word for a vocal "crutch" in case the singer can't hit that High C?
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No, its not. it is a common practice and not just in pop music. And not just for vocals either. Songs in all types of genres often double track vocals or instruments. One of the most famous (in recording circles) is Dear Prudence by The Beatles. The opening guitar line, which runs throughout the song, is actually two guitars. Dire Straits Money for Nothing has an uncountable # of guitar tracks. It is not because Mark Knopfler is not an awesome guitar player who needs a studio crutch to sound decent. One of the greatest guitarists of all time, Jimi Hendrix, was well known for using studio tricks such as recording a track and then playing it backwards (which can not be done live). Does that mean he was hiding the fact that he sucks at guitar?
 
sangha said:
No, its not. it is a common practice and not just in pop music. And not just for vocals either. Songs in all types of genres often double track vocals or instruments. One of the most famous (in recording circles) is Dear Prudence by The Beatles. The opening guitar line, which runs throughout the song, is actually two guitars. Dire Straits Money for Nothing has an uncountable # of guitar tracks. It is not because Mark Knopfler is not an awesome guitar player who needs a studio crutch to sound decent. One of the greatest guitarists of all time, Jimi Hendrix, was well known for using studio tricks such as recording a track and then playing it backwards (which can not be done live). Does that mean he was hiding the fact that he sucks at guitar?
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Okay, start this video at about the 4:50 mark and tell me that when she puts that mic down you can hear a difference. I can't. I mean, I hear her just as before, but she's not singing. So it's your contention that that isn't lip syncing? Then what is?

 
Ahlevah said:
Okay, start this video at about the 4:50 mark and tell me that when she puts that mic down you can hear a difference. I can't. I mean, I hear her just as before, but she's not singing. So it's your contention that that isn't lip syncing? Then what is?

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That might be lip-syncing, but there is something odd about it. At that point, and later in the clip, the view goes to a remote camera and she appears to not be singing even though you can hear her voice. While it does appear to be lip-syncing there, I think it is odd that it only happens when she is being viewed in one of the remote cameras. All of the closeups show her singing at the same time you hear her voice.
 
sangha said:
That might be lip-syncing, but there is something odd about it. At that point, and later in the clip, the view goes to a remote camera and she appears to not be singing even though you can hear her voice. While it does appear to be lip-syncing there, I think it is odd that it only happens when she is being viewed in one of the remote cameras. All of the closeups show her singing at the same time you hear her voice.
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It looks like they cut away from the closeup because it made it more obvious that there was a problem, whatever the reason.
 
It looked to me like she was lip syncing Auld Lang Syne, but just not singing her own song. You could hear the backup vocals, but not the lead vocals because she couldn't hear the music in order to sing.
 
Man, this is just wrong... :lol:

 
sangha said:
There were some bits of pre-recorded vocal but that wasnt the main vocal track. I am not familiar with her songs, but it is common practice to double-track vocals on albums. my assumption is that she would be singing the main vocal track when those little bits would come in to sweeten her vocal performance.
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This guy rather bluntly confirms my earlier suspicion:

In a tragic revelation about Carey’s current vocal range, the "Emotions" backing track didn't have any lead vocals save for those famous whistle notes, hinting that those glory notes we live for from her were going to be phoned in anyway.

(Ouch! :spank:)

Leave Mariah Carey Alone: Inside Her Disastrous New Year?s Eve Performance - The Daily Beast
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Ahlevah said:
This guy rather bluntly confirms my earlier suspicion:
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Actually, he is confirming what I said
the "Emotions" backing track didn't have any lead vocals save for those famous whistle notes
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If it were meant to be lip-synced, then the backing tracks would have had *all* of the lead vocals. Instead, it only had some high notes which he assumes were there because MC cant hit them anymore (even though there are other explanations)



Listen to the live performance of the 2nd singer (Beyonce). After she sings each line she pauses and you can hear an echo of her voice even though she isnt singing.
 
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Captain America said:
After decades of observing pop idol divas, I have come to learn that if you mute them, and play some Pink Floyd instead, it doesn't matter much if they lip sync or not.

But that's just me.
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Pretty much everything is better with Pink Floyd being played in the background.
 
Mariah Carey to blame for NYE disaster, insiders say

A source close to the production tells Page Six: “It was totally [Carey’s] screw-up . . . Her assistant came out for the sound check, not her.” Our insider added of Carey, “All her dancers were in step. Everybody else onstage heard the track. Even without [the earpiece] there were eight speakers onstage. It was not the sound people.”

A second source at the rehearsal added: “The sound check was about 20 minutes. A stand-in did the whole routine with the mike. Mariah was on the side of the stage, and at the very end — no more than four seconds — she goes up and goes, ‘La-da-dee-da . . . Everything sounds great. Love you, New York,’ and left.”

The first source said of the live show, “She was like a lost puppy . . . She wasn’t even standing where she was supposed to . . . There was no [production] reason she couldn’t do it.”
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Mariah Carey to blame for NYE disaster, insiders say | Page Six


Sounds right.
 
So now I see she is whining because no one came to save her from what ever her problem was(apparently, that is how I took it). Just left her out on stage making a fool out of herself. Her dancers I hear could hear just fine, they did their thing, which is a wee problem with her story that there was technical problems. a story which the show boss says is a lie .

OMG.

All I can say is Dick Clark was an incredible person and I was lucky enough to work with him when I first started in the music business, I'm of the opinion that Dick Clark would not have let an artist go through that and he would have been as mortified as I was in real time.
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Mariah Carey breaks silence on 'horrible' New Year's Eve performance - CNN.com
 
Carey: "My feelings are hurt" and "I was foiled":

“I haven’t really addressed the situation that happened on New Year’s Eve and in time, I will. But for now, I want everyone to know that I came to New Year’s Eve in New York in great spirit and was looking forward to a celebratory moment with the world,” Carey said. “It’s a shame that we were put into the hands of a production team with technical issues, who chose to capitalize on circumstances beyond our control.”

‘My Feelings Are Hurt’: Mariah Carey Says She Was ‘Foiled’ in New Year’s Eve Performance
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Oh, brother. :roll: I just wish that for once someone would have the balls to own a screwup.
 
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