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Man in the High Castle (Season 2)

Cardinal said:
I think all the ones I mentioned were excellent for the particular things they offered:

The Expanse and Stranger Things for pure fun.

Goliath and MITHC for most solid storytelling.

Better Call Saul and Goliath for best character interaction, acting and character development.

Westworld has a combination of all these things, but doesn't entirely lead in any of them. Though if you like good television you'd still have to be a complete fool to give it a miss.

Mind you, whatever order you put any of these shows in, they're all quite top shelf.
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They were good, but if I was to put up the best, it would be MITHC. The characters and storylines were all exceptional. Some of the characters in the other series were either too good or too bad, the ones in this show were all in shades of grey, even the supposed bad guys.
 
PoS said:
GoT was good but started to feel worn out.
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The dialogue and storytelling fell off a cliff once they moved past the books. I'll finish it out because I started it, but that's pretty much my driving motivation for doing so at this point.

PoS said:
Gomorra was awesome though the constant killing took its toll on me, same with Narcos. Better Call Saul was excellent though somewhat smaller in scale.
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I'll watch it if someone beats me up to, but the description feels utterly tedious and fun-less to me.
 
PoS said:
They were good, but if I was to put up the best, it would be MITHC. The characters and storylines were all exceptional. Some of the characters in the other series were either too good or too bad, the ones in this show were all in shades of grey, even the supposed bad guys.
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MITHC was entirely narrative-driven, but the characters themselves were much less enjoyable than in Westworld*, Goliath and BCS. Obvious exception is John Smith. If I had to pick one Nazi to be a fan of, he'd be it. I will agree though that Inspector Kido is an infuriating blend of good and evil.

Speaking of which, do you suppose MITHC is a favorite of Neo-Nazis? I mean, the Reich is evil for obvious reasons, but it's not like they go completely out of their way to demonize Nazis either.

*with emphasis on Anthony Hopkins and Ed Harris, especially where they acted opposite each other
 
I finally finished up Season 1, I like it but the mrs isn't as enamored with it as me. She felt the same way about Westworld. She did like Goliath quite a bit and I thought Billy Bob did a fine job acting... but to me the story started getting a bit too contrived.

That being said I'm looking forward to Bosch season 3, I hope it comes out soon. Also IMO notable was Good Girls Revolt.
 
Winchester said:
I finally finished up Season 1, I like it but the mrs isn't as enamored with it as me. She felt the same way about Westworld. She did like Goliath quite a bit and I thought Billy Bob did a fine job acting... but to me the story started getting a bit too contrived.

That being said I'm looking forward to Bosch season 3, I hope it comes out soon. Also IMO notable was Good Girls Revolt.
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Goliath = Emmies for everybody. If Nina Arianda doesn't get something for her performance then Hollywood is truly fixed.
 
Cardinal said:
Goliath = Emmies for everybody. If Nina Arianda doesn't get something for her performance then Hollywood is truly fixed.
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She did a great job too and to me the acting was the highlight of the show, but the big evil law firm/defense contractor client/contract killer/fixers got to be a bit much. I also didn't care for Molly Parker's or Olivia Thirlby's characters, not that the did a bad job acting it just that the characters as written seemed a bit fake.
 
Finished season 2 and this is one of my favorite series right now.

My other contenders are House of Cards, Homeland, and The Americans.
 
Cardinal said:
MITHC was entirely narrative-driven, but the characters themselves were much less enjoyable than in Westworld*, Goliath and BCS. Obvious exception is John Smith. If I had to pick one Nazi to be a fan of, he'd be it. I will agree though that Inspector Kido is an infuriating blend of good and evil.

Speaking of which, do you suppose MITHC is a favorite of Neo-Nazis? I mean, the Reich is evil for obvious reasons, but it's not like they go completely out of their way to demonize Nazis either.

*with emphasis on Anthony Hopkins and Ed Harris, especially where they acted opposite each other
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Westworld had two good characters in Hopkins and Harris, but I felt a lot of its storylines to be very contrived, especially Maeve and her manipulation of those two dolts. The shootout and security of the lower levels also seemed pretty lax.

MITHC had excellent characters with John Smith, Kido, Tagomi and Childan (I practically laughed in every scene he was in). Juliana started growing on me too, as well as Frank.

As far as neonazis loving it, I think the show is way too intellectual for them to comprehend. :2razz:
 
PoS said:
Westworld had two good characters in Hopkins and Harris, but I felt a lot of its storylines to be very contrived, especially Maeve and her manipulation of those two dolts.
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Agreed. In order to make that storyline work they had to abandon the ridiculous amount of cctv that ran around the clock in the beginning of the series.

The shootout and security of the lower levels also seemed pretty lax.
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Correction: the shootout was awesome.

MITHC had excellent characters with John Smith, Kido, Tagomi and Childan (I practically laughed in every scene he was in). Juliana started growing on me too, as well as Frank.
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Julianna never did end up making an impression on me, but yes, Tagomi was fantastic. In fact, I correctly predicted in the beginning of the series that he was the key to the entire story. Unfortunately, it was the only prediction of mine that was accurate.

As for Childan, he grew on me, and he was the one source of humor in a story that provided so few reasons to laugh. I also agree that Frank's character arc was fascinating.

Okay, you talked me into it: MITHC was as much character driven as it was narrative driven.

As far as neonazis loving it, I think the show is way too intellectual for them to comprehend. :2razz:
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Yeah, but I'll bet they just get a kick out of an alternate timeline in which the Axis won.
 
Spoilers ahead.

Something has been on my mind about the show for the entire two seasons, and thus far what I took as a clue has not in fact been a clue, but very likely a sloppy historical prop choice.

Before we knew that the origin of the films were people traveling to alternate timelines and bringing them back, it was still very much a complete mystery (even though "alternate universes" was obviously everybody's suspect #1). So in the Neutral Zone near the beginning of season 1 there was either a clue, a sloppy historical prop choice, or just a simple red herring: the infamous "Jap, you're next!" poster.

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But that poster can only exist in our own timeline. For anyone who's not already familiar, that's the poster created after the Soviets and Americans took Berlin, officially ending the European front of the second world war.

What gives?
 
Cardinal said:
Spoilers ahead.

Something has been on my mind about the show for the entire two seasons, and thus far what I took as a clue has not in fact been a clue, but very likely a sloppy historical prop choice.

Before we knew that the origin of the films were people traveling to alternate timelines and bringing them back, it was still very much a complete mystery (even though "alternate universes" was obviously everybody's suspect #1). So in the Neutral Zone near the beginning of season 1 there was either a clue, a sloppy historical prop choice, or just a simple red herring: the infamous "Jap, you're next!" poster.

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But that poster can only exist in our own timeline. For anyone who's not already familiar, that's the poster created after the Soviets and Americans took Berlin, officially ending the European front of the second world war.

What gives?
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They needed something to cover the Roslyn Cafe sign.

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It probably came from the same place as the modern paper orange Nehi labels on the bottles Joe and Julianna were drinking from, and the 1963 US Post Office state abbreviations on Trudy's bus ticket to Canon City.

Maybe they all came from the other timeline.
 
Harshaw said:
They needed something to cover the Roslyn Cafe sign.

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It probably came from the same place as the modern paper orange Nehi labels on the bottles Joe and Julianna were drinking from, and the 1963 US Post Office state abbreviations on Trudy's bus ticket to Canon City.

Maybe they all came from the other timeline.
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If it was a mishap then it's an extremely sloppy thing to do in a show that worked exhaustively to create a believable post-WWII America in which American culture didn't dominate. They made a few minor errors (such as with women's fashion), but the attention to detail was otherwise impressive. So to screw up with that poster seems ridiculously irresponsible.

There's also the matter of going full art deco when Hitler was specifically attracted to classical art and architecture, but now I'm just being a dickhead about it.
 
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Not sure their fashion can really be wrong; the 1962 of the show is a totally different world from anything we knew here.

It's an anomalous poster, to be sure, and I noticed it myself.

What most likely would NOT have been is the slogan "Work Will Set You Free" in Times Square, as that was a slogan only seen in concentration camps, and not in Nazi society.
 
Cardinal said:
Spoilers ahead.

Something has been on my mind about the show for the entire two seasons, and thus far what I took as a clue has not in fact been a clue, but very likely a sloppy historical prop choice.

Before we knew that the origin of the films were people traveling to alternate timelines and bringing them back, it was still very much a complete mystery (even though "alternate universes" was obviously everybody's suspect #1). So in the Neutral Zone near the beginning of season 1 there was either a clue, a sloppy historical prop choice, or just a simple red herring: the infamous "Jap, you're next!" poster.

MIi7ST9.png


But that poster can only exist in our own timeline. For anyone who's not already familiar, that's the poster created after the Soviets and Americans took Berlin, officially ending the European front of the second world war.

What gives?
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I feel that it is completely possible that the poster in question may reflect a US victory over another country that isnt Germany, just before we were defeated. In PKD's world, everything is turned upside down, and the smallest of things could mean something else completely.

Now on another note: I have this totally crazy fan theory that if Tagomi does meet the POTUS of our universe it ends up being Robert Childan. :mrgreen:
 
PoS said:
The Man in the High Castle (TV Series 2015– ) - IMDb



Anybody watching this? Next to Westworld, this is my favorite sci-fi TV show right now.
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just made it to season two, episode one. incredible show.

when i was a kid, we were taught WWII history in a narrative that made it seem like US victory was nearly inevitable. in reality, if you change a couple factors, the Allies could have lost, and that's just chilling. i think that's the backbone of what makes this show so fascinating.
 
I saw the first season and really liked it. Season 2 was a bit more hit or miss.

Killing off Frank Frink was kind of lame, IMO. Made his whole storyline feel like an after thought that the writers just got sick of. I also didn't like how they killed Hitler off screen.

The atmosphere this season was top notch though. They did a really good job making the Nazis seem creepy as Hell... more so than last season.
 
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