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IP has become ridiculous

Crovax

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Two members of the rock band The Fray are now credited as co-writers on The Chainsmokers' No. 1 smash, "Closer."

When it was released this summer, "Closer" drew comparisons to The Fray's 2005 hit, "Over My Head (Cable Car)." Now, the listing for "Closer" on the website for performance rights organization ASCAP includes Fray lead singer Isaac Slade and guitarist Joe King.

Last year Sam Smith gave Tom Petty and Jeff Lynne writing credit on his mega-hit "Stay With Me" after some said it sounded like Petty's 1989 song, "I Won't Back Down." Mark Ronson and Bruno Mars did the same thing last year for their worldwide hit "Uptown Funk" — they extended credit to the five writers of Gap Band's 1979 hit "Oops Upside Your Head" because of similarities.
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The Chainsmokers' 'Closer' Now Credits 2 Members of the Fray as Writers | Billboard

because of one bad judgement in a court case now groups are tossing out song writing credits to people that had nothing to do with songs so they dont get sued.

Here are the two songs in question, sure they sound kinda similar but to claim that one was stolen from the other is just ridiculous



 
I remember the Sam Smith thing, and I didn't hear a stitch of that song that sounded like the Petty tune.

There's really only so many ways to put notes together. Barring blatant ripoffs like Vanilla Ice or Robin Thicke, some of these IP suits (at least in music) are a tad frivolous.
 
Crovax said:
The Chainsmokers' 'Closer' Now Credits 2 Members of the Fray as Writers | Billboard

because of one bad judgement in a court case now groups are tossing out song writing credits to people that had nothing to do with songs so they dont get sued.

Here are the two songs in question, sure they sound kinda similar but to claim that one was stolen from the other is just ridiculous
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Derivative works are basically all of cultural/entertainment IP.
Because of the growth of IP protections people are exploiting it more and more.

It should be no surprise.
One of the primary reasons I was against the TPP, is because of the extension of the Wests current legalities of IP, to non Western nations.
IP needs some serious change.
 
Kobie said:
I remember the Sam Smith thing, and I didn't hear a stitch of that song that sounded like the Petty tune.

There's really only so many ways to put notes together. Barring blatant ripoffs like Vanilla Ice or Robin Thicke, some of these IP suits (at least in music) are a tad frivolous.
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Vanilla's was certainly a rip off and I love his explanation



but I dont think Thicke's was a blatant rip off and the industry does really as well which is why after the lawsuit you see all these credits being tossed around.
 
Regardless of IP issues, all these songs sound the same to me.
 
Gaztopian said:
Regardless of IP issues, all these songs sound the same to me.
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That is because they all use the same formula. See the 4 chord video above this fro an example.
 
WCH said:
At some point, they started repeating themselves. No way around it.
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Which is precisely why I no longer listen to lyrical music. The conventional format of music - music accompanied by lyrics - has been exhausted ad nauseum. What's left for me is the bits and morsels of beautiful melodies that cross my path outside the habitual mediums.

In the way of a demo:

 
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Carjosse said:
That is because they all use the same formula. See the 4 chord video above this fro an example.
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Damn that was hilarious. Right from the start, when he played the four chords in question, I said YES, THIS IS IT!
 
Carjosse said:
That is because they all use the same formula. See the 4 chord video above this fro an example.
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Well this definitely proves that you dont have to be a genius to be a pop star, just learn 4 chords and mix with some lyrics. :mrgreen:
 
Well, like medicine, the internet and the lawyers are working together to make money, and to counter that, everyone gets to be a collaborator just to keep the wolves away. I can see a music crawler, searching the entire catalog of the worlds music looking for coincidences that can land them in court.

Hell, Queen actually copyrighted a cord.

"Defense music" is the new term.
 
i listened to part of both, and i don't think the songs sound enough alike to warrant a writing credit.
 
Gaztopian said:
Which is precisely why I no longer listen to lyrical music. The conventional format of music - music accompanied by lyrics - has been exhausted ad nauseum. What's left for me is the bits and morsels of beautiful melodies that cross my path outside the habitual mediums.

In the way of a demo:

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Reminds me of my Casio. :)
 
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