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Riddle me this, Riddle me That, who is your favorite bat?

roguenuke said:
No batman doesn't kill in the main DC universe, ever. Graphic novels of movies are like alternate universes. They usually have the same problems as the movies themselves.


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Except for that time Batman killed Darkseid... with a gun

EDIT: Batman really has 3 phases, origin story training and young batman, middle aged batman that has about 90% of the adventures with the robins and such and old batman which almost none of the stories are "cannon" because once you make batman old the story is essentially over. But pretty much all the old batman stories involve him being much more cynical, much more violent and often killing. So I dont think Affleck's old batman is really out of line with the batman storyline.
 
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Jesse Booth said:
That sounds pretty noncanon to me. Link?
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Final Crisis storyline

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Crovax said:
Batman didnt exactly fall for it, there are plenty of iterations of Batman where hes goes super paranoia all on his own. It seemed like BvS was a cross between The dark knight returns, injustice and JLA:tower of babel
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I see very little similarities between most of those events and BvS. There were some plot points taken from Death of Superman, and likely a couple others. Not sure where you're getting Tower of Babel or Injustice in there.

Now as for going paranoid on his own, absolutely. It was the manipulation that was the issue, along with the disregard for killing people, which is not Batman.


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PoS said:
Batfleck's portrayal is similar to Keaton's, but a bit more burned out and psychopathic since he doesnt care about killing people, it seems.
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Eh. Keaton killed a lot of people as well, TBH. He also did so a lot more deliberately - He couldn't even really claim the "indirect" defense like Batfleck can.

I'd also say that Keaton came off as being a bit of a socially awkward and eccentric "dork" as Bruce Wayne. Batfleck doesn't give off that vibe at all. He's very confident, "suave" even... If also a bit gruff.
 
Crovax said:
Except for that time Batman killed Darkseid... with a gun

EDIT: Batman really has 3 phases, origin story training and young batman, middle aged batman that has about 90% of the adventures with the robins and such and old batman which almost none of the stories are "cannon" because once you make batman old the story is essentially over. But pretty much all the old batman stories involve him being much more cynical, much more violent and often killing. So I dont think Affleck's old batman is really out of line with the batman storyline.
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You mentioned a single event which wasn't humans, but rather a God who was threatening basically the whole universe with the power to back it up. There were several scenes in this one where he had no regard for life, and these were basic, low level thugs. Even after the death of Jason, when he actually did go a little nuts, he still wasn't killing people yet, which is where Tim came in.

Of course there are major issues with placing Superman at this point in Batmans career since that would make it difficult for Dick to move on to become Nightwing, leaving room for the second Robin, since he got the name Nightwing from a Kryptonian legend Superman told him.


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Gathomas88 said:
Eh. Keaton killed a lot of people as well, TBH. He also did so a lot more deliberately - He couldn't even really claim the "indirect" defense like Batfleck can.

I'd also say that Keaton came off as being a bit of a socially awkward and eccentric "dork" as Bruce Wayne. Batfleck doesn't give off that vibe at all. He's very confident, "suave" even... If also a bit gruff.
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When did Keaton kill exactly as Batman? I've seen this before, but just not sure where exactly it came from. Affleck most definitely killed, hard not to kill with a machine gun or when you throw a car around.

Besides that though, Bruce Wayne wasn't supposed to be anything like Batman. He should have been closer to a dork or at least an airhead, to throw off suspicion. It wouldn't work very well for him to be viewed as smart enough and "gruff" enough to be Batman.

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alright, I'll change my position, Burton really went back to the past, which did have Batman killing in the very first comics of Batman, prior to the change. I still like Keaton's portrayal, but he shouldn't have been killing people. Kevin Conroy all the way.
 
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Gathomas88 said:
Eh. Keaton killed a lot of people as well, TBH. He also did so a lot more deliberately - He couldn't even really claim the "indirect" defense like Batfleck can.
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Sure, but he killed with more style than Batfleck did. :mrgreen:

I'd also say that Keaton came off as being a bit of a socially awkward and eccentric "dork" as Bruce Wayne. Batfleck doesn't give off that vibe at all. He's very confident, "suave" even... If also a bit gruff
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Batfleck's Wayne was like James Bond, I preferred Keaton's take because all that combat training and homeschooling does make people socially awkward. :2razz:
 
PoS said:
Sure, but he killed with more style than Batfleck did. :mrgreen:


Batfleck's Wayne was like James Bond, I preferred Keaton's take because all that combat training and homeschooling does make people socially awkward. :2razz:
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But... But... He's Batman!!! :lamo


More seriously, yeah. I can kind of see your point. However, I think Bale ultimately hit a better balance between the two extremes than Keaton. He wasn't a social butterfly, or anything, but he could fake rich guy smarm when he needed to. Lol



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Gathomas88 said:
But... But... He's Batman!!! :lamo


More seriously, yeah. I can kind of see your point. However, I think Bale ultimately hit a better balance between the two extremes than Keaton. He wasn't a social butterfly, or anything, but he could fake rich guy smarm when he needed to. Lol



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American Psycho anyone?

I think Ben Affleck's batman makes more sense in the time scale than old Bale Batman. A young Ben Affleck couldn't have been a young batman like Bale. Basically...if I had to pick one or the other to play the grizzled vet batman and Bruce Wayne? It would be Affleck.

Basically old Bruce Wayne would just kind of exist on the outskirts of society. He is the lonely old Billionaire whose family was murdered and was essentially a crazy recluse who burned down his mansion and just kind of existed from there. Not high profile. But still there. How many billionaires are constantly in the headlines?


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roguenuke said:
I see very little similarities between most of those events and BvS. There were some plot points taken from Death of Superman, and likely a couple others. Not sure where you're getting Tower of Babel or Injustice in there.

Now as for going paranoid on his own, absolutely. It was the manipulation that was the issue, along with the disregard for killing people, which is not Batman.


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I dont remember if the theatrical cut had as much in it but the R rated version had the whole batman dream where he fights the Superman super soldiers from injustice. As far as tower of babel just the whole paranoia aspect and the files of information on the other heroes. If the justice league movie turned out to a telling of that storyline it would be pretty awesome IMO
 
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