Game of Thrones Season 6

Frank Apisa said:

People who don't know how to set up conflict...and worry about the stuff you are talking about here...

...should never be authors.

Have you ever thought about why there are so many self-publishing authors?

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I'm not getting your point here, what is it?

PoS said:

I hate stupid characters. Sue me.



I think the entire Stark family are a bunch of idiots. Robb falls in love, breaks his vow with Walder Frey and then attends a wedding in Frey's castle thinking its all good... what a foolish, idiotic thing to do. Sansa was pretty much a pathetic punching bag for 5 seasons but it seems she's finally figuring it out. Arya had a bit of brains but then she balks at being an assassin even though she wanted to train as one. Bran got the 3 eyed raven and Hodor killed because he couldn't take simple instructions, Rickon didn't even bother to zigzag or take cover behind those burning flayed corpses while he ran, etc. The stupidity must run in that family's genes.

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A hero that doesn't make mistakes is boring.

Alternatively, a hero that makes mistakes without facing consequences is also boring.

Absentglare said:

A hero that doesn't make mistakes is boring.

Alternatively, a hero that makes mistakes without facing consequences is also boring.

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I dont mind bumbling heroes, but a hero that is constantly saved via deus ex machina to make up for his blunders is pretty cheap to me.

PoS said:

I'm not getting your point here, what is it?

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Wow...you are having trouble with that also.

Hummm.

Frank Apisa said:

Wow...you are having trouble with that also.

Hummm.

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Oh I see, youre just trying to get some attention again. Go troll somebody else. Bye.

PoS said:

I hate stupid characters. Sue me.



I think the entire Stark family are a bunch of idiots. Robb falls in love, breaks his vow with Walder Frey and then attends a wedding in Frey's castle thinking its all good... what a foolish, idiotic thing to do. Sansa was pretty much a pathetic punching bag for 5 seasons but it seems she's finally figuring it out. Arya had a bit of brains but then she balks at being an assassin even though she wanted to train as one. Bran got the 3 eyed raven and Hodor killed because he couldn't take simple instructions, Rickon didn't even bother to zigzag or take cover behind those burning flayed corpses while he ran, etc. The stupidity must run in that family's genes.

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Robb's foolishness is forgivable: it's always been pretty much unthinkable to offer hospitality to your guests and then murder them. I doubt that rule was any different in Westeros than it is on earth. And Brandon has so much on his mind that it's a wonder he hasn't gone completely insane. But Rickon...okay, I'll give you Rickon.

Frank Apisa said:

Actually, I do not think Catelyn has been brought back to life in the series...just in the books.

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She hasn't reappeared in the books to date either. I wasn't aware that Dondarrion (or was it Meryn Trant?) bringing her back hadn't been in the series. I get confused.

PoS said:

Yes, in the books she came back from the dead after being resurrected but it didnt happen in the TV series. The producers are in contact with GRRM so I believe he pretty much told them how it would end since its taking him another 10 years to write the next book. Stephen King on the other hand, writes 2000 words a day without fail- GRRM was shocked when he said that to him during their meet up.

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Oh shut the **** up Stephen.

You weren't much better than Martin when it came to your "Magnum Opus" for the Dark Tower Series. 5 years between The Gunslinger and Drawing of the Three. 5 years between DofT and The Waste Lands. 6 years between TWL and Wizard and Glass. 6 years between W&G and Wolves of the Calla.

Which was the first of three books you belched out that were no where near the quality of the first four and went completely off the rails. I mean **** Stephen...

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It took your ass being ran over by a damn van to finally get off your butt and write "2000 words a day" that wasn't pointless horror schlock that you basically shat out to cash in.

People aren't anxiously awaiting Martin to write some his own random ass version of "The Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon"; they're wanting this SPECIFIC story. And when it comes to finishing the specific on-going, "Magnum Opus"-style, story you weren't much better than the fat man before you got ran over and proceeded to go insane.

When this story started hitting the internet it immediately switched my rage button being a fan of both series, and having suffered a very similar feeling with King's books as I have been feeling with Martins.

"Dracarys" is high Valyrian for "I have fire-breathing dragons. Your arguments are invalid."

Just a bit on the dragons I recall reading on some wikia. They don't belong in Westeros. Every generation of them since they were brought there were smaller and had various health and breeding problems. To be honest, I don't think Dany belongs there either. Her style of rule, the armies and tools she's gathered, they are all appropriate to Essos. Almost her entire fighting force is made up of folks who are raiders and pirates. What happens when she takes the throne, at some point the destruction has to stop and the rebuilding begin, I mean winter has begun.

PoS said:

I dont mind bumbling heroes, but a hero that is constantly saved via deus ex machina to make up for his blunders is pretty cheap to me.

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Which is exactly why i never liked harry potter.

Andalublue said:

She hasn't reappeared in the books to date either. I wasn't aware that Dondarrion (or was it Meryn Trant?) bringing her back hadn't been in the series. I get confused.

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My theory is that the show is kinda going to have the hound make up part of that plot from the books. The hound hung lemoncloak and is now with the brotherhood without banners, reborn with a desire for justice.

I think the hound will be more interesting, anyway.

DifferentDrummr said:

Eddard was the only truly stupid Stark that we've seen. The kids are all reasonably bright, but none can match the brilliance of Danny or Tyrion.

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Sansa is dumb as a sack of bricks. Lately, she's getting smarter, but she's still dumb as ****. Jon is similar; he's a competent leader in specific ways, but totally unwilling to engage with a world outside of his honor code. Arya decided that pissing off an assassins guild was a brilliant plan.

The main thing lacking here? Any level of cunning, diplomacy, or understanding of strategic alliances.

FieldTheorist said:

Sansa is dumb as a sack of bricks. Lately, she's getting smarter, but she's still dumb as ****. Jon is similar; he's a competent leader in specific ways, but totally unwilling to engage with a world outside of his honor code. Arya decided that pissing off an assassins guild was a brilliant plan.

The main thing lacking here? Any level of cunning, diplomacy, or understanding of strategic alliances.

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And Bran's impatience got the children of the forest, the three eyed raven, and likely Hodor all killed.

DifferentDrummr said:

Robb's foolishness is forgivable: it's always been pretty much unthinkable to offer hospitality to your guests and then murder them. I doubt that rule was any different in Westeros than it is on earth. And Brandon has so much on his mind that it's a wonder he hasn't gone completely insane. But Rickon...okay, I'll give you Rickon.

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Robb was an excellent tactician, but he was a terrible judge of human character. He slighted Walter Frey not once but three times- first by reneging his vow to wed one of the king's daughters, then by delaying his arrival to the Red Wedding and finally bringing his girlfriend to the wedding. While killing a guest in your own home was a terrible thing to do, Walder did have motivation to do it. Robb also made a huge mistake in bringing Theon to his father, then alienated the Karstaks by killing their leader- thereby losing half his army and dooming his chances of ever taking King's Landing. Robb also alienated Roose Bolton by constantly ignoring his advice, which compels Roose to betray and kill him. His army was already starting to fray (pardon the pun) by the time he got to the Red Wedding. In the end Robb held others to a high standard but was a hypocrite for reneging on his own promises.

I wonder why it's only been one-way -- people have only migrated from Essos to Westeros, and not vice-versa. Maybe the only exception to this are Danaerys, Viserys, and Tyrion. Besides, people usually migrate from cold places to warmer ones, not the other way.

So dragons aren't as adaptable as horses, and probably can't stand cold climates. To me, they look like reptiles and should be cold-blooded, and only able to tolerate warm climates. But I guess since they're made-up magical creatures, they can be whatever the author needs them to be.

sanman said:

I wonder why it's only been one-way -- people have only migrated from Essos to Westeros, and not vice-versa. Maybe the only exception to this are Danaerys, Viserys, and Tyrion. Besides, people usually migrate from cold places to warmer ones, not the other way.

So dragons aren't as adaptable as horses, and probably can't stand cold climates. To me, they look like reptiles and should be cold-blooded, and only able to tolerate warm climates. But I guess since they're made-up magical creatures, they can be whatever the author needs them to be.

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They may be cold-blooded, but they got a big fire in their belly to keep them going.

Captain Adverse said:

The writing is really getting bad. :2mad:

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Nilly said:

A show suspends too much reality.

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Zyphlin said:

A wonderful and succinct explanation of things. Well done. This kind of "shock value" type of writing is just something I haven't really connected with this series up till now...save for the random stray BOOBIES

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I just finished getting caught up on "HBO Now." Yeah... Unfortunately, I think the above about wraps it up.

There were a lot of GREAT scenes this Season. However, the lazy (and often outright hackish) quality of the writing really makes it hard to give them too much praise. Some of this crap was getting to straight up Prometheus "lets run in a straight line in the shadow of the giant space ship about to crush us... Oh! And one of us just happens to be sprinting, leaping, and hanging off ledges with a gaping stomach wound that's only being held together by staples" levels of bad.

No One

Dumbass Arya plotline is still dumb. No surprise there. Her actions make no sense, and those stab wounds should have killed her. Period.

I did, however, like how she put out the candle so that she could defeat the assassin chasing her in the dark. That was a nice call back.

Though... Unfortunately, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense when you think about it. Remember when Jaquen "killed himself" last season, and it turned out he really didn't, because "Jaquen" doesn't really exist? Arya just kept pulling dozens of different masks off the corpse she thought was Jaquen, and the girl who had been standing behind her suddenly transformed into Jaquen, because the assassins are literally "no one," and can fluidly assume different personas at will?

Why didn't that happen with the assassin girl that Arya killed? Did they just forget about that, or what?

Blackfish getting killed off screen was lame.

Of course... The scene with the Hound killing those goons was freaking EPIC.

Battle of the Bastards

Probably the best cavalry charge scene I've seen on screen since Lord of the Rings. I actually didn't mind the thing with Rickon, or Jon charging in like a fool. All of that was in character, and reasonably well handled.

The latter stages of the battle did seem a bit contrived, however, IMO. Ramsay's forces apparently suck at scouting if they didn't notice a giant army of horsemen hanging out right on their doorstep. That sort of thing isn't exactly easy to hide. lol

Loved Ramsay's death - Beaten to a pulp and ripped apart by his own dogs. Little puke couldn't have deserved it more if he tried.

As far as Dany's storyline goes... Just ugh. She magically appears out of no where just because the script calls for it. Then... She apparently sits around and lets the city get bombed while she does absolutely nothing for a few hours.

Why on Earth didn't she start blowing up those ships with her dragon from the very start?

The final scene with the slavers was cool, at the very least.

Winds of Winter

Now THIS is more like the Game of Thrones I know, love, and remember. Cersei blowing up the Sept without really thinking the consequences through is absolutely in character for her.

It really whittled down the cast as well. I think they killed off half of the major characters on the show in one blow!

I'll be interested to see where all that goes next season. LF definitely looks like he'll be taking a more prominent role.