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Batman vs Superman: Dawn of Justice

If they were attempting to make a movie that appealed to the DC comic book fans, they succeeded and it was indeed a good movie. If they were attempting a movie with universal appeal...they failed.
 
I finally had a chance to see it. Just terrible. I also didn't enjoy Lex Luthor. Did he really expect Superman to kill Batman? Really? That whole set-up was stupid. Most of the criticisms I have were mentioned already. And there was no dramatic tension with Superman dying. It's already been foreshadowed that the Kryptonian tech may allow someone to be brought back from the dead. It was utterly forgettable.
 
Ok.

Let's jump in shall we.

This movie was a garbled mess, and misses a key opportunity to correct a major issue with Man of Steel and instead doubles down on the stupidity.

I can abide plot holes and continuity errors, what I can't abide is just poor decision making in terms of scene construction and artistic choices.

Sure I could attack this movie on the plot inconsistencies, lack of plot or character development and the rather bizarre character of Lex Luthor but ultimately this movie didn't work because at its core it was corporate diarrhea.

The only thing I actually want to address because it is so destructive to these movies (and movies in general nowadays) is the use gratuitous amounts of destruction.

Man of Steels end battle was ultimately boring, the guys threw each other through so many buildings and layers of concrete I eventually started falling asleep.

There was a unique opportunity they introduced in which they addressed this wanton destruction, only to not only double down but extend this stupidity.

The end fight scene ends up going on for so long, is so repetitive and uninteresting that I actually started laughing this time, I just couldn't believe that they thought a fight scene like this was a good idea after the absolutely pathetic battle between Batman and Superman that amounted to nothing.

Filmmakers need to understand that scenes that involve alot of destruction need to have weight, they need to have grit, they need to be grounded, if you push it too far you break the suspension of disbelief and you end up just making the whole thing boring.

I don't need to reference Batman Vs. Superman to illustrate this point, here's a real clear cut example:

Independence day... Times Up:



Compare that much more grounded and engaging scene that focuses on characters, even if brief extras, in a very difficult and more believable situation, to this ****ing nonsense from 0:33:



That is the Burj Khalifa crashing into London :roll:

You can't just put splodey crap all over the screen and expect us to be STUNNED!

In the same way, if you're going to construct a scene where two characters endlessly throw eachother around like ragdolls through entire cities worth of concerete and it doesn't effect them whatsoever, you have made a massive, fundamental, creative mistake that completely ****s up your movie.
 
Ok.

Let's jump in shall we.

This movie was a garbled mess, and misses a key opportunity to correct a major issue with Man of Steel and instead doubles down on the stupidity.

I can abide plot holes and continuity errors, what I can't abide is just poor decision making in terms of scene construction and artistic choices.

Sure I could attack this movie on the plot inconsistencies, lack of plot or character development and the rather bizarre character of Lex Luthor but ultimately this movie didn't work because at its core it was corporate diarrhea.

The only thing I actually want to address because it is so destructive to these movies (and movies in general nowadays) is the use gratuitous amounts of destruction.

Man of Steels end battle was ultimately boring, the guys threw each other through so many buildings and layers of concrete I eventually started falling asleep.

There was a unique opportunity they introduced in which they addressed this wanton destruction, only to not only double down but extend this stupidity.

The end fight scene ends up going on for so long, is so repetitive and uninteresting that I actually started laughing this time, I just couldn't believe that they thought a fight scene like this was a good idea after the absolutely pathetic battle between Batman and Superman that amounted to nothing.

Filmmakers need to understand that scenes that involve alot of destruction need to have weight, they need to have grit, they need to be grounded, if you push it too far you break the suspension of disbelief and you end up just making the whole thing boring.

I don't need to reference Batman Vs. Superman to illustrate this point, here's a real clear cut example:

Independence day... Times Up:



Compare that much more grounded and engaging scene that focuses on characters, even if brief extras, in a very difficult and more believable situation, to this ****ing nonsense from 0:33:



That is the Burj Khalifa crashing into London :roll:

You can't just put splodey crap all over the screen and expect us to be STUNNED!

In the same way, if you're going to construct a scene where two characters endlessly throw eachother around like ragdolls through entire cities worth of concerete and it doesn't effect them whatsoever, you have made a massive, fundamental, creative mistake that completely ****s up your movie.


Forgive me if I misread your post but... did you just use Independence Day as an example on how to make a good action scene? :lol:
 
Forgive me if I misread your post but... did you just use Independence Day as an example on how to make a good action scene? :lol:

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Ya know... For all the hate people are giving it, BvS is still probably going to wind up making around 900 million or so dollars at the box office worldwide (it probably just broke 800 mil today, in point of fact, given that it was at more than 780 mil on Saturday). It might even break a billion before leaving theaters, and will go well over a billion once home digital rentals, DVDs, and the like are factored in.

The movie's not exactly a "flop" here. Just sayin'... :shrug:
 
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Ya know... For all the hate people are giving it, BvS is still probably going to wind up making around 900 million or so dollars at the box office worldwide (it probably just broke 800 mil today, in point of fact, given that it was at more than 780 mil on Saturday). It might even break a billion before leaving theaters, and will go well over a billion once home digital rentals, DVDs, and the like are factored in.

The movie's not exactly a "flop" here. Just sayin'... :shrug:

In 2016, with a massive Chinese box office and international love of the super hero genre, a movie featuring two of the most well known super heroes of all time should clear a billion easy at the global BO.

The multiplier it's looking at is in the Wolverine Origins range, so I think it's fair to say people were excited for the concept but didn't like the product. That's where the financial disappointment comes in. If a flop means they don't make a profit, then no it's not, but WB certainly left plenty of cash on the table by failing to make a halfway decent film.


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Or you could watch the movie and see that Affleck was just fine in this role.

~ Batman v Superman (though I'd contest that this was hardly a "bad" movie, and that Afleck was one of the better parts)
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My suspicions were right..

The DC Comics film has been given a Razzie Award - BBC Newsbeat

Batman V Superman: Dawn Of Justice has been named worst remake at the not-so-prestigious Razzie Awards.
British actor Henry Cavill and co-star Ben Affleck won the gong for worst screen combo in the DC Comics film.
 
~ i would have preferred christian bale

And Christopher Nolan scriptwriting with Goyer and directing by himself - then even I would have considered going.
 
When this came out, all I thought was; sci-fi movies are REALLY getting desperate now.

What's next?

Luke Skywalker vs. James Kirk?

Obi-Wan Kenobi vs. Spock?

Red Dwarf vs. Enterprise?

Seven of Nine vs. T’Pol - Shower Wars?

Okay...that one I would watch. And here is the preliminary:

 
Unfortunately, I'm working straight through till next Tuesday, so I won't have a chance to see this for the better part of a week. From what I'm seeing online, however, the word isn't good.

Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice*(2016) - Rotten Tomatoes

Low 30s on Rotten Tomatoes right now. People are calling it "boring," "overbloated," an "incoherent mess," and a "beautiful disaster." Ouch.

If anyone sees it, can you post a review? I'm curious to see what you think.

I'm hoping that it will be watchable at the very least. It'd really suck if this turned out to be a repeat of the whole "Amazing Spiderman" fiasco a few years back.



There are few movies where I truly believe I should have NEVER watched. This is one of them and near the top of the list. I doubt my dead dog could do as bad a job acting as did "stuporman" in this horrid waste of celluloid.

Wait a few weeks, you will be able to get the DVD as one of 5 for $1.00 at a yard sale
 
Unfortunately, I'm working straight through till next Tuesday, so I won't have a chance to see this for the better part of a week. From what I'm seeing online, however, the word isn't good.

Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice*(2016) - Rotten Tomatoes

Low 30s on Rotten Tomatoes right now. People are calling it "boring," "overbloated," an "incoherent mess," and a "beautiful disaster." Ouch.

If anyone sees it, can you post a review? I'm curious to see what you think.

I'm hoping that it will be watchable at the very least. It'd really suck if this turned out to be a repeat of the whole "Amazing Spiderman" fiasco a few years back.
Even if I forgave Ben for holding a firearm while in character, which I do not, this movie got such bad reviews that I likely will not see it until it comes as part of some collection and I watch it out of boardim.
 
Even if I forgave Ben for holding a firearm while in character, which I do not, this movie got such bad reviews that I likely will not see it until it comes as part of some collection and I watch it out of boardim.

It's not even worth doing then. It was crap.
 
The only decent part of the movie was Jesse Eisenberg’s performance as Lex Luthor. Otherwise it was crapola. 2 plus hours of my life that I will never get back.
 
The only decent part of the movie was Jesse Eisenberg’s performance as Lex Luthor. Otherwise it was crapola. 2 plus hours of my life that I will never get back.

That was arguably the worst performance, it was like the joker mixed with lex luthor.
 
Even if I forgave Ben for holding a firearm while in character, which I do not, this movie got such bad reviews that I likely will not see it until it comes as part of some collection and I watch it out of boardim.

Why wouldn't you, do you know the context of it?
 
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