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    Probe into LDS Church's Prop 8 donations going forward

    Source [The Salt Lake Tribune | Probe into LDS Church's Prop 8 donations going forward]

    California's Fair Political Practices Commission (FPPC) confirmed Monday that it will investigate allegations that the LDS Church failed to report nonmonetary contributions to the Yes on Proposition 8 campaign.

    An independent nonprofit organization, Californians Against Hate, called for the investigation after the measure passed earlier this month, effectively ending same-sex marriages in that state.

    "They read my letter and I guess came to the conclusion that there's something worth looking into," said Fred Karger, who heads Californians Against Hate, which was formed to track donations in support of the ballot initiative. "I'm hopeful that the LDS Church will cooperate and share all the records and all the information they have about their activities in the Proposition 8 campaign."

    Karger, a retired political consultant, alleged in his complaint that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints failed to report money invested to organize phone banks, send out direct mailers, provide transportation to California, mobilize a speakers bureau, send out satellite simulcasts and develop Web sites as well as numerous commercials and video broadcasts.

    In the aftermath of Proposition 8's passage, outcry over the LDS Church's active role has included demonstrations outside temples in California, Utah and New York protesting what critics see as Mormons' contribution of a disproportionate amount of the measure's financial backing. By some measures, Latter-day Saints are believed to have contributed as much as $22 million to the cause.

    The LDS Church did not comment on Monday's latest development but said earlier that Karger's complaint had "many errors and misstatements," that the church had "fully complied with the reporting requirements of the California Political Reform Act" and that "any investigation would confirm the church's full compliance with applicable law."
    A lot of this reeks of popular justice. LDS would have to be pretty damned stupid to overstep the law rather than just having its members move money around. If there is any wrongdoing I hope that they are held fully accountable, however. Lately religious institutions have really been pushing the line in their political activism

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    Re: Probe into LDS Church's Prop 8 donations going forward

    I thought it was confirmed that the donations came from individual members not from the church directly?
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    Re: Probe into LDS Church's Prop 8 donations going forward

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    I thought it was confirmed that the donations came from individual members not from the church directly?
    Doesn't matter, the LDS church is going to be the target of the anti prop 8 hate group until hell freezes over...
    The gays are taking the cheap shot at the easy target, with a hard target being all the rest of the yes on 8 voters. They seem to be devoid of balls in that respect.
    I used to sympathize with them, but after seeing what tactics they use, I will probably vote against them here in Utah.
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    Re: Probe into LDS Church's Prop 8 donations going forward

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Doesn't matter, the LDS church is going to be the target of the anti prop 8 hate group until hell freezes over...
    The gays are taking the cheap shot at the easy target, with a hard target being all the rest of the yes on 8 voters. They seem to be devoid of balls in that respect.
    I used to sympathize with them, but after seeing what tactics they use, I will probably vote against them here in Utah.
    Good, because they don't want or need your sympathy.
    They want equality, and need justice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    Good, because they don't want or need your sympathy.
    They want equality, and need justice.
    The equality and justice issues have been well discussed, and I asked several times what was not equal except for terminology, never got an answer that made any sense.
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    Re: Probe into LDS Church's Prop 8 donations going forward

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Doesn't matter, the LDS church is going to be the target of the anti prop 8 hate group until hell freezes over...
    Good. They hated on the Gays first. I hope they choke on it.

    Now, I don't know about you guys, but I'm making some popcorn, and I'm going to watch the fur fly. Also, the CA Supreme Court has agreed to look at this from an article VI standpoint, so it might not be over yet. This should also make some interesting entertainment.
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    Re: Probe into LDS Church's Prop 8 donations going forward

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    The equality and justice issues have been well discussed, and I asked several times what was not equal except for terminology, never got an answer that made any sense.
    If you need another word for it, it isn't equal.
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    Re: Probe into LDS Church's Prop 8 donations going forward

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Doesn't matter, the LDS church is going to be the target of the anti prop 8 hate group until hell freezes over...
    The gays are taking the cheap shot at the easy target, with a hard target being all the rest of the yes on 8 voters. They seem to be devoid of balls in that respect.
    I used to sympathize with them, but after seeing what tactics they use, I will probably vote against them here in Utah.
    It's not like the right wing ever supported gays in the first place. Now they just have new excuses for why they don't want to, since the old ones have been debunked innumerable times. Democratic process doesn't mean that the voters must use secular rationles in their votes... they can vote on basic feelings and will continue to do so.

    The coastal areas of CA tend to be the more liberal and that is where the gay population tends to congregate, and yet the State vote allows people on the interior, and in smaller counties, to decide on political issues that mostly only affect the liberal areas. That, and the pro-prop 8 vote was a slim majority, yet it can change the constitution.

    The court has its hands full... I also really hope the legislature gets a say as the 3rd branch of power.

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    Re: Probe into LDS Church's Prop 8 donations going forward

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Doesn't matter, the LDS church is going to be the target of the anti prop 8 hate group until hell freezes over...
    The gays are taking the cheap shot at the easy target, with a hard target being all the rest of the yes on 8 voters. They seem to be devoid of balls in that respect.
    I used to sympathize with them, but after seeing what tactics they use, I will probably vote against them here in Utah.
    In other words, you're willing to deny people their civil rights (despite previously agreeing with them) because you don't like the tactics of a few members of that group. I never realized that equal rights were contingent upon not being obnoxious.

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    Re: Probe into LDS Church's Prop 8 donations going forward

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    It's not like the right wing ever supported gays in the first place. Now they just have new excuses for why they don't want to, since the old ones have been debunked innumerable times. Democratic process doesn't mean that the voters must use secular rationles in their votes... they can vote on basic feelings and will continue to do so.

    The coastal areas of CA tend to be the more liberal and that is where the gay population tends to congregate, and yet the State vote allows people on the interior, and in smaller counties, to decide on political issues that mostly only affect the liberal areas. That, and the pro-prop 8 vote was a slim majority, yet it can change the constitution.
    The court has its hands full... I also really hope the legislature gets a say as the 3rd branch of power.
    It should never have come up for a vote in the first place, beofre the ballot was the time for a court challenge, not that it can't still be challenged.
    Whether a slim margin, or a large margin, popular vote cannot change the constitution to deny rights to tohers..
    It wasn't popular vote that emancipated the slaves. This is for the supreme court to decide.
    I suppose when some small segment of society living in a few towns in Alabama want the right to wear sheets and burn crosses at black churches, the rest of the state can't tell them no ??
    Whatever the issue, CIVILILITY is the way to handle it, not throwing temper tantrums when you don't get your way. And you don't target the smallest group of voters with your own hatred and ignorance, you sue ALL of them.
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