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    Re: Probe into LDS Church's Prop 8 donations going forward

    Have any of you read what Utah said? He said he sympathized with the gay marriage rights groups. Now because stupid attacks by some radicals, more ammunition has been given to the religious right and its allies to portray homosexuals as some violent radical group. Some of these people are already preparing for a fight in my town already.

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    Re: Probe into LDS Church's Prop 8 donations going forward

    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Howl View Post
    Good. They hated on the Gays first. I hope they choke on it.

    Now, I don't know about you guys, but I'm making some popcorn, and I'm going to watch the fur fly. Also, the CA Supreme Court has agreed to look at this from an article VI standpoint, so it might not be over yet. This should also make some interesting entertainment.
    Don't choke on the popcorn.
    As for hating the gays first, I NEVER hear the church leaders hate anybody, and only on a few occasions have heard a few LDS members use racist terms. I can count those on one hand, and that covers a span of 40 years of living among them.
    I have no sympathy for those using uncivil methods to get their way, whether it be terrorists from the ME, or homosexuals from San Francisco...
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    Re: Probe into LDS Church's Prop 8 donations going forward

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    Have any of you read what Utah said? He said he sympathized with the gay marriage rights groups. Now because stupid attacks by some radicals, more ammunition has been given to the religious right and its allies to portray homosexuals as some violent radical group. Some of these people are already preparing for a fight in my town already.

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    couldn't have said it better myself, thanks...
    every action has a reaction, and for MOST LDS, that reaction will be seen at the next referendum or proposition vote.
    Now if the gays want a real battle ground that the media will better cover, they should take their initiatives to the bible belt states and stage protests there. Better keep them civil, though....the first evangelical church that gets spray painted with hate messages will bring about more reaction than was wanted...
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    Re: Probe into LDS Church's Prop 8 donations going forward

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    couldn't have said it better myself, thanks...
    every action has a reaction, and for MOST LDS, that reaction will be seen at the next referendum or proposition vote.
    Now if the gays want a real battle ground that the media will better cover, they should take their initiatives to the bible belt states and stage protests there. Better keep them civil, though....the first evangelical church that gets spray painted with hate messages will bring about more reaction than was wanted...
    No problem. Going head first into the Bible Belt is really risky, it would be a better strategy to engage in purple states first and when support is really solidified then go into the really red states. They should also reach out to Log Cabin Republicans for help as well.
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    Re: Probe into LDS Church's Prop 8 donations going forward

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    No problem. Going head first into the Bible Belt is really risky, it would be a better strategy to engage in purple states first and when support is really solidified then go into the really red states. They should also reach out to Log Cabin Republicans for help as well.
    I can appreciate how "wounded" the gay world must feel not being able to get their way in "their" state. As long as they continue to roar at their detractors, instead of trying to sway them with logic, they will be heard, but ignored. This isn't a vote by noise where the most vocal wins. The voices must be calm, logical, without using inflammatory words or deeds.
    Surely there is ONE eloquent advocate available to further their cause?.
    As I keep saying, MLK was more effective with words than all the violence advocating black activists combined...
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    Re: Probe into LDS Church's Prop 8 donations going forward

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Don't choke on the popcorn.
    As for hating the gays first, I NEVER hear the church leaders hate anybody, and only on a few occasions have heard a few LDS members use racist terms. I can count those on one hand, and that covers a span of 40 years of living among them.
    I have no sympathy for those using uncivil methods to get their way, whether it be terrorists from the ME, or homosexuals from San Francisco...

    Define "uncivil", please? Are the Gays running around cutting peoples' heads off, or are they just saying mean things?
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    Re: Probe into LDS Church's Prop 8 donations going forward

    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Howl View Post
    Define "uncivil", please? Are the Gays running around cutting peoples' heads off, or are they just saying mean things?
    I take it as a gesture of civility, you will volunteer to remove hate messages spray painted on church buildings and walls?
    According to the news, LDS kids at USU are getting hate e-mail, do you think it comes from gays maybe?
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    Re: Probe into LDS Church's Prop 8 donations going forward

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Don't choke on the popcorn.
    As for hating the gays first, I NEVER hear the church leaders hate anybody, and only on a few occasions have heard a few LDS members use racist terms. I can count those on one hand, and that covers a span of 40 years of living among them.
    I have no sympathy for those using uncivil methods to get their way, whether it be terrorists from the ME, or homosexuals from San Francisco...
    I only know two people who grew up Mormon, but their accounts are identical. The public face of the Mormon church and its membership is very different from the entirely intolerant, almost vitriolic reality. I've met the parents of one of them, and I was extremely surprised by the descriptions of racism and hate that apparently show themselves behind closed doors. They seemed perfectly nice and were entirely civil to the Muslim roommate I had at the time, but that was apparently just an act. I've never met anybody who hated Mormons as much as that guy, and he doesn't have a whole lot of hate in him, normally

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    Re: Probe into LDS Church's Prop 8 donations going forward

    What seems to fly over the heads of gay advocates is all this legal suing, black listing, and behind the public court manipulations only serve those against their agenda in supporting the same kind of charges the pro Proposition 8 supporters used in their tv and media ads to change the more neutral elements of the electorate and win the election.

    So for example lets take the issue of Catholic adoption agencies. After the gay laws were forced on Massachussetts people by the courts, they decided to sue Cathlolic charity organizations that for decades organized adoptions. Thus gay couples tried to adopt through those agencies instead of others that were neutral and after a lawsuit a judge tried to force it on them. So instead of complying they ended their adoption programs. Same thing is happening right now in Great Britain causing a huge uproar. Now gays could easily have said we'll just use the other agencies. However their historic pattern is to immediately going back to their behind the back legal manipulations attacking organizations they dislike even if it is offensive to significance demographics. An attitude that started years ago when the tried to force gays into the Christian Boy Scout organization.

    People are not going to forget and the next time they try and push same sex marriage the same ads will appear with examples of how it is all so true.
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    Re: Probe into LDS Church's Prop 8 donations going forward

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    I only know two people who grew up Mormon, but their accounts are identical. The public face of the Mormon church and its membership is very different from the entirely intolerant, almost vitriolic reality. I've met the parents of one of them, and I was extremely surprised by the descriptions of racism and hate that apparently show themselves behind closed doors. They seemed perfectly nice and were entirely civil to the Muslim roommate I had at the time, but that was apparently just an act. I've never met anybody who hated Mormons as much as that guy, and he doesn't have a whole lot of hate in him, normally
    Wonderful, you know 2....I know a few more than 2, been living amongst them in Idaho, Utah, and AZ since 77....hell, I don't even need to use a trump care here, I got you in sheer numbers...
    Get back to me when you can say such stupid things about 200 or more...
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