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Do we have funeral services for miscarried babies?

I am not really 'judging' the subjective feelings. I am drawing conclusions about general attitudes based on the sum of individual actions of society in general as I perceive them.

Do you base your opinions about this specific issue on personal feelings, anecdotal evidence about people's actions, theological treatises, or scientific literature?

Myself, right now I am basing my opinion on anecdotal evidence about people's actions. Thus my opinion is extremely likely to adjust in the future. Indeed, before you posted this, I was coming into contact with new information and thinking on the subject. I posted that information, and even pointed out that my own thinking would need adjustment of some kind.

Is that sort of the point of a discussion?

If one starts from the premise that cultural behavior is significantly based on the inner life of the individuals of the society practicing cultural norms, then one can use ritual practice as 'data' from which to draw some conclusions.

Fail to see relevance here. Beside that, I do accept that America has a diverse culture. In fact my post recognized that fact, though it states some speculations about a particular group's motivations for their stances based on their differing culture.

If you're referring to the broader implications that stem from my generally very liberal stances, you've mistaken me for the sort of person who makes a reasonably common mistake when observing differing cultures.

While I do believe that a general attitude of openness leads to greater enrichment and superior quality of life, both on a personal and a societal level, I do not make the mistake that all cultural systems are equally desirable.

You will have to excuse me, this issue is a bit personal to me and I let my feelings dictate my post. I apologize for the tone.
 
I am aware that miscarriage of a viable fetus does require burial in many states and that was why I specified "the unborn previable fetus" in the quote to which you responded.

Even before Roe vs Wade, many state laws and mainstream social customs recognized a difference between the legal rights of previable and viable fetuses.

Finally, my condolences to you and your wife in the loss of Andrew. I know exactly the feelings you are describing because I have been there. However, I still do not believe that my feelings on this matter should determine how my neighbor must handle this situation.

I appreciate the kind words, thank you.

Regarding the bolded portion: If (and I am only assuming here) you would defiantly hold a funeral to express grievance for a miscarriage, you wouldn't expect your neighbor to necessarily hold a funeral to express grievance for a miscarriage, correct?
 
I appreciate the kind words, thank you.

Regarding the bolded portion: If (and I am only assuming here) you would defiantly hold a funeral to express grievance for a miscarriage, you wouldn't expect your neighbor to necessarily hold a funeral to express grievance for a miscarriage, correct?

What do you mean "defiantly"?
Are you suggesting that some outside entity might prevent you from conducting some sort of private ceremony or service?
 
What do you mean "defiantly"?
Are you suggesting that some outside entity might prevent you from conducting some sort of private ceremony or service?

Oops, it seems I clicked on the wrong "suggested spelling" when I spell-checked that post. I meant "definitely".
 
I think Dezaad would be very well-advised not to presume the level of equivalence between services in the Catholic church, or any other faith to which he/she does not belong.

A funeral is a Mass said for the soul of the departed. A Mass said for the soul of a miscarried child is spiritually identical.
 
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Good point. As any woman who has ever had a miscarriage can tell you, we do grieve the loss of the child that could have been but was lost, but everyone recognizes that the unborn previable fetus does not have the same legal rights as a full-term infant. State laws do not demand that the lost tissue be buried and social customs do not mandate a funeral be held.
What child, it was nothing more than a bag of cells, right?
 
I had a friend whose sister-in-law miscarried at 6 months and they did have a funeral. She said they did the complete service at a church and cemetary then afterwards they went to the parents house where they had up pictures of the miscarried baby and ate some lunch. Not ultrasound pictures, but the actual miscarried baby. I thought that to be quite morbid and a little weird. If I miscarried I would not have a funeral service at all but I would want a proper burial.
 
I think at 6 months gestation, it is called a "pre-term birth" NOT a "miscarriage."
 
I had a friend whose sister-in-law miscarried at 6 months and they did have a funeral. She said they did the complete service at a church and cemetary then afterwards they went to the parents house where they had up pictures of the miscarried baby and ate some lunch. Not ultrasound pictures, but the actual miscarried baby. I thought that to be quite morbid and a little weird. If I miscarried I would not have a funeral service at all but I would want a proper burial.

Were you surprised at how much that cancerous clump of the mother's cellular tissue looked like an infant?
 
Were you surprised at how much that cancerous clump of the mother's cellular tissue looked like an infant?
Dang Jerry. Geez.
 
Were you surprised at how much that cancerous clump of the mother's cellular tissue looked like an infant?

I didn't see it because I didn't actually go to the thing, I heard about it second hand. Even if I did go I probably wouldn't look at the pictures, as I said, having the pictures out like that was just plain wierd.

So no, I wasn't surprised. :doh
 
So no, I wasn't surprised. :doh

(I think he was just using your post to make a general comment concerning the ridiculous claims of some pro-abortion-choicers---it wasn't really to you)
 
Gosh, Dino, I have to call you on the idea that "any woman. . . ". There are many miscarriages that women have and never really even know they were pregnant. That aside, I was dancing a happy dance after my one miscarriage. It was my only unplanned pregnancy, I was not intending on aborting it, but it really wasn't a optimal time for an oops of that magnitude. It was a huge relief when I miscarried. I have no doubt that some other women have been equally "fortunate". I will give you that MOST women grieve.
Good point. I amend my post to say 'most' (too late to be able to edit)
I appreciate the kind words, thank you.

Regarding the bolded portion:
However, I still do not believe that my feelings on this matter should determine how my neighbor must handle this situation.
If (and I am only assuming here) you would defiantly hold a funeral to express grievance for a miscarriage, you wouldn't expect your neighbor to necessarily hold a funeral to express grievance for a miscarriage, correct?
No, I do not oppose allowing my neighbor to choice to abort, or to handle any feelings she may have about a miscarriage in whatever way way she sees fit.

While my personal religious beliefs would not allow me to abort, I do not believe my religious beliefs should be the law of the land because I feel the first amendment means that we are not to make laws based solely on religious beliefs.

Currently, previable fetuses are not considered children under the laws in the US - and that is not just laws about abortion. I have often wondered why those who feel life begins at conception and that US laws should be based on their religious beliefs have not attempted to pass laws that give fetuses the sames rights and protections as children instead of attempting to overturn Roe vrs Wade.
 
(I think he was just using your post to make a general comment concerning the ridiculous claims of some pro-abortion-choicers---it wasn't really to you)
What claims would those be? That if something looks like a human we shouldn't kill it?:doh
 
You've been watching Indiana Jones again haven't you?

:rofl

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We mourn persons, not fetuses.

This fact, all by itself, indicates to me that there is something else going on with anti-choice people. And that "something else" has nothing to do with "saving people". I believe it is perhaps a combination of motivations which are not the same mix from anti-choice person to anti-choice person.

For example, some people feel more worthy in the world when they feel that they are morally superior to others, that their moral set causes them to have to take 'courageous' or difficult stances. Anti-choice belief cascades into a whole set of austere attitudes. An inconsistency in their moral feeling or impulse, like the one you've pointed out here, belies those with this type (or another type) of unconscious agenda.

Spoken with all the gusto of a person with either no compassion or one that has never experienced a miscarriage... or both.
 
Spoken with all the gusto of a person with either no compassion or one that has never experienced a miscarriage... or both.

Spoken with all the ignorance of a woman who has never faced the choice to die along with her fetus in an ectopic pregnancy. this topic should be in the SEWER.:mrgreen:
 
I would say Religion should have little influence on the mothers "choice". If it gives her some-kind of closure to a truly dreadful experience then so be it, she should be able to do whats best for her with no feeling of guilt.

Paul.
 
I would say Religion should have little influence on the mothers "choice". If it gives her some-kind of closure to a truly dreadful experience then so be it, she should be able to do whats best for her with no feeling of guilt.

Paul.

I say that religion is totally irrelevant, that the mother should not be allowed to 'choose' either way unless her life is in danger regardless of any notion of guilt.
 
I say that religion is totally irrelevant, that the mother should not be allowed to 'choose' either way unless her life is in danger regardless of any notion of guilt.

You've lost your page dear friend.

Paul.
 
Spoken with all the ignorance of a woman who has never faced the choice to die along with her fetus in an ectopic pregnancy. this topic should be in the SEWER.:mrgreen:
What the hell are you smiling about? Are miscarried babies a turn on for you?
 
Good point. As any woman who has ever had a miscarriage can tell you, we do grieve the loss of the child that could have been but was lost, but everyone recognizes that the unborn previable fetus does not have the same legal rights as a full-term infant. State laws do not demand that the lost tissue be buried and social customs do not mandate a funeral be held.


Not to get into the monstrosity of what your first position is actually stating, i have to ask:

what about those between these two stages? :2wave:
 
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