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Cindy McCain wears a 300k outfit at the convention

Hatuey said:
Well he certainly proved us all wrong last month :p
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I've ****ed more married guys and guys with girlfriends than you will ever know. It means nothing.

My gaydar, such as it is, goes off the charts everytime Bareback Edwards gets on television.
 
WI Crippler said:
The other thing that is misleading here is that money=elitism(in both McCain and Edwards situations since its been brought up). Yes its true that the uber wealthy can be elitist, but its not money or wealth that bestows one with the attitude of elitism. I find elitism is more ingrained in people who simply believe they are intellectually superior to others, no matter what their pay is. I have known some simply arrogant, broke college students and professors.
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Exactly. I see you have met NCFY.
 
jallman said:
I've ****ed more married guys and guys with girlfriends than you will ever know. It means nothing.

My gaydar, such as it is, goes off the charts everytime Bareback Edwards gets on television.
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I'm just sayin'.......he could have chosen a gay guy.....but he went for a woman....
 
disneydude said:
You have a short memory. The attacks on Edwards were all about him being rich....and how can he make "poverty" the focus of his campaign.
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Edwards ENTIRE PLATFORM was based off his little "Two America's" thing. That was his entire focal point to his messages.

A comparable way for this is to have McCain spitting on a military guy, or purposefully skipping out on a visit to veterans, or found speaking disparagingly of the military, etc...because it'd show hypocracy a lot of his campaign is based around his military service.

The attacks on Edwards being "rich" and out of touch was because that was the central thing to his campaign. He, FAR more than McCain, was trying to paint himself as "one of the people".

As far as the elitism cry.

Money alone does not = elitism. Some of the most "elite" acting people I know are middle class at best. People on this board going "University of :snicker: Iowa" show elitist attitude without any indication of their wealth.

It was never to my knowledge that Obama was painted as some big rich fat cat, he was painted as an intellectual elitist, someone who looked down on simple Americans and their values and was more worried about what academia thought that middle America thought. Advocates on the left tried to sway it to make "elite = rich", despite that not being what the republicans were talking about in any way if you look at context and the things they complained about or pointed to, to try and be able to fight against it (by pointing out his "lower middle class" roots and such) and to attack McCain back (by going "see, HE'S elite, he's RICH!").
 
jallman said:
Ummm...Cindy McCain is a woman. The whole John Edwards haircut thing wasn't about him being rich...it was about him being a bigger fag than my boyfriend.
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However inappropriate and unfair, your comment was pretty dang funny. :rofl

Having said that, fagboy or not, those that accept one but not the other are no doubt partisan and/or hypocritical.
 
WI Crippler said:
The other thing that is misleading here is that money=elitism(in both McCain and Edwards situations since its been brought up). Yes its true that the uber wealthy can be elitist, but its not money or wealth that bestows one with the attitude of elitism. I find elitism is more ingrained in people who simply believe they are intellectually superior to others, no matter what their pay is. I have known some simply arrogant, broke college students and professors.
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Damnit get out of my head!
 
Zyphlin said:
Edwards ENTIRE PLATFORM was based off his little "Two America's" thing. That was his entire focal point to his messages.

A comparable way for this is to have McCain spitting on a military guy, or purposefully skipping out on a visit to veterans, or found speaking disparagingly of the military, etc...because it'd show hypocracy a lot of his campaign is based around his military service.

The attacks on Edwards being "rich" and out of touch was because that was the central thing to his campaign. He, FAR more than McCain, was trying to paint himself as "one of the people".

As far as the elitism cry.

Money alone does not = elitism. Some of the most "elite" acting people I know are middle class at best. People on this board going "University of :snicker: Iowa" show elitist attitude without any indication of their wealth.

It was never to my knowledge that Obama was painted as some big rich fat cat, he was painted as an intellectual elitist, someone who looked down on simple Americans and their values and was more worried about what academia thought that middle America thought. Advocates on the left tried to sway it to make "elite = rich", despite that not being what the republicans were talking about in any way if you look at context and the things they complained about or pointed to, to try and be able to fight against it (by pointing out his "lower middle class" roots and such) and to attack McCain back (by going "see, HE'S elite, he's RICH!").
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Oh for the love of god, gimme a break. Spin and contort all you freakin' want, but please, enough with the stupid justifications. Edwards is far from perfect but he has done more for the poor than the GOP combined. So what if he wants to get a freakin' $500 haircut. He's got the money, and he's entitled. Jeepers.
 
Middleground said:
Oh for the love of god, gimme a break. Spin and contort all you freakin' want, but please, enough with the stupid justifications. Edwards is far from perfect but he has done more for the poor than the GOP combined.
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Facts, figures, and stats please.

So what if he wants to get a freakin' $500 haircut. He's got the money, and he's entitled. Jeepers.
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I won't disagree with this. Every girl's gotta right to look fabulous.
 
WI Crippler said:
The other thing that is misleading here is that money=elitism(in both McCain and Edwards situations since its been brought up). Yes its true that the uber wealthy can be elitist, but its not money or wealth that bestows one with the attitude of elitism. I find elitism is more ingrained in people who simply believe they are intellectually superior to others, no matter what their pay is. I have known some simply arrogant, broke college students and professors.
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Great, just great. So now, highly accomplished academically or "book smarts" is equal to elitism?
No wonder this country is being over taken by the rest of the world academically.
No son, you mustn't become an elitist that's too smart for their own damn good.
 
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jfuh said:
Great, just great. So now, highly accomplished academically or "book smarts" is not equal to elitism?
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Its about how you approach or talk about others unlike yourself. Not your wealth or knowledge, that determines if you have an elitist attitude.
 
Hatuey said:
I'm just sayin'.......he could have chosen a gay guy.....but he went for a woman....
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You know what they say, (male) politicians can't ever get caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy.

He was probably just less careful with the live girl. Or perhaps there's a lot of pregnant gay guys running around that are just more discrete. :lol:
 
jallman said:
Facts, figures, and stats please.



I won't disagree with this. Every girl's gotta right to look fabulous.
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I've been laughing my ass off through much of this thread. This is better than Truman Capote. Damn, do you ever know how to get someone's goat. LMAO.

Thanks for making my day. :)
 
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Middleground said:
Oh for the love of god, gimme a break. Spin and contort all you freakin' want, but please, enough with the stupid justifications. Edwards is far from perfect but he has done more for the poor than the GOP combined. So what if he wants to get a freakin' $500 haircut. He's got the money, and he's entitled. Jeepers.
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Oh no, I think the $500 haircut thing was idiotic, funny but not much beyond that. It was STUPID to use as a campaign talking point, and I said so then. I'm saying though its an unfair comparison of attacking the wife of a candidates whose not campaigning on a core message that he's "here to prop up the little guy" to an actual candidate whose entire core of his candidacy was based around the "Two americas" and his understanding and desire to help out the average american.

Its not justification that it was a good attack to use. Its a statement saying that you can't compare these two situations in a legitimate way as is trying to be done.

jfuh said:
Great, just great. So now, highly accomplished academically or "book smarts" is equal to elitism?
No wonder this country is being over taken by the rest of the world academically.
No son, you mustn't become an elitist that's too smart for their own damn good.
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Yes, that's exactly what he said. You're desire to purposefully spin peoples words to take them completely out of context so you can go on the attack lately is more transparent than a window. He stated that some of the most elite people he knew were well educated but poor college students. NO WHERE did he say that education or books smarts equal elitism, or that anyone that went to college or did well academically is automatically elite.
 
jallman said:
Facts, figures, and stats please.



I won't disagree with this. Every girl's gotta right to look fabulous.
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You need a serious bitch slappin, jallman. I'm gonna sick Edwards on you! :2razz:

As for fact and figures, off-topic and I don't care. Not exactly sure what Edwards has accomplished, but it has been know to be his mission for at least the last few years.
 
WI Crippler said:
Its about how you approach or talk about others unlike yourself. Not your wealth or knowledge, that determines if you have an elitist attitude.
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Isn't that then being disrespectful holier than thou/ I'm better than you attitude rather than anything to do with educational levels?
Why was educational level the only one you singled out?
In otherwords, just what do you mean by "elitist"?
 
I think that she spent that much on a dress that didn't look that good is outrageous and disgusting. I felt the same way about Edward's hair, for $400 bucks it should'a looked better. I expect my politicians to have more sense than to waste $390 on a $10 haircut. McSame's wife isn't a politician and certainly not mine. Kudos to the dress designer that got that contract, he/she must be a helluva salesman.
 
PeteEU said:
Hell no. If Obama's wife had 300k on her person in dress and jewellery, then I would have been there in a heartbeat to criticize her, because she is suppose to be courting the poor and middle class of America.
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Obama is supposed to be courting the entire country and I think he's doing a fair job at it.

He doesn't have to hide away his wife's jewels for fear that poor folks will see 'em and get outraged about the unfairness of it all.

There's nothing obscene about having money.

This thread is absurd.

From a purely style standpoint though I will say I didn't like Cindy's dress. I didn't like the flipped up collar.

Now will someone please send this to the entertainment thread where NCFY can assess everyones fashion sense?
 
Zyphlin said:
Oh no, I think the $500 haircut thing was idiotic, funny but not much beyond that. It was STUPID to use as a campaign talking point, and I said so then. I'm saying though its an unfair comparison of attacking the wife of a candidates whose not campaigning on a core message that he's "here to prop up the little guy" to an actual candidate whose entire core of his candidacy was based around the "Two americas" and his understanding and desire to help out the average american.

Its not justification that it was a good attack to use. Its a statement saying that you can't compare these two situations in a legitimate way as is trying to be done.
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Has it ever occured to you that maybe, just maybe, the haircut was $50, and he left a $450 tip? Perhaps maybe Edwards was trying to help out someone who makes less than average wage? There are circumstances in which we are unaware, so perhaps your being way too critical?

Shall he sell his house and move into a trailor park just so he can mingle with little America? She he start finding his clothes at the Salvation Army? Is that what you expect?

Like I said, gimme a break.
 
Middleground said:
Has it ever occured to you that maybe, just maybe, the haircut was $50, and he left a $450 tip? Perhaps maybe Edwards was trying to help out someone who makes less than average wage? There are circumstances in which we are unaware, so perhaps your being way too critical?

Shall he sell his house and move into a trailor park just so he can mingle with little America? She he start finding his clothes at the Salvation Army? Is that what you expect?

Like I said, gimme a break.
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You apparently seem to be arguing against someone while quoting me.

No, it didn't occur to me...because the whole thing DIDN'T MATTER TO ME. I'm not being critical of him, I'm saying that on the surface you can't compare the two things. Because on the same token, do you KNOW what she paid what these estimates are for all these things? Do you know if she saved up for any time to get those things? Do you know if those things are passed down or a gift or even borrowed or rented? Do you know if she got those before John McCain?

No, I don't think we should sell his house and make him work in a trailor. And I don't think that Edwards, a politician who realizes that looks DO matter in politics, should not be able to get however expensive of a hair cut that he wants. What I'm SAYING is that the two can't be compared in regards to the validity of the attack as one was about a CANDIDATE whose actual main platform statement seemed hypocritical in the face of the haircut thing on the surface, to the WIFE of a candidate who has no platform and whose husbands main platform point isn't about "two americas" or "being here to prop up the little guy".

That's all I'm saying. I'm NOT saying that it was a good attack, a correct attack, an issue I care about, or an issue that should've even been brought up. I'm just saying there are too many differences between this issue with Cindy McCain and the issue with Edwards to truly compare them as equal
 
This is funny. So many Obama supporters were crying "no fair" when Michelle Obama was attacked for some her comments. Now they are trying to slam Cindy McCain because *gasp* she spends a lot of money on clothes. Do you think Michelle Obama bought her convention outfit off the rack at Wal-Mart?

The McCains are loaded and if Cindy wants to spend a bunch of money on a nice outfit for herself, more power to her. I frankly don't care if she showed up dressed as the San Diego Chicken.

And trying to spin it and say that its hypocritical to charge Obama with being an elitist is bull. Elitist isn't about what you wear or how much money you have - its about an attitude of saying "we know better than you." Cindy McCain's outfit didn't say that. Barak's "clinging to guns and religion" comment did.
 
WI Crippler said:
If she can afford it, I fail to see the problem.
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Me too. In fact, I'm thrilled our Govt has gone another $4 trillion in debt over the past 7 years so that wealthy folks can afford to buy more stuff like that.
 
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