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I just had to post this one because it's so typical....

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I'm not an expert on Judaism;

I referenced this.

What does Judaism Believe?

You gave me the impression you didn't believe in any God in the past.


That is from an orthodox perspective, trying to very much simplify things too. It's not very well written, and it is also written to people coming from a Christian perspective. There are also types of Judaism that don't quite fit those definitions... such as Reconstruction and humanistic Judaism. Basically, that page covers things from a 20,000 foot level , from a form of Judaism that is very much a minority in the U.S., and extremely basic for that.
 
That is from an orthodox perspective, trying to very much simplify things too. It's not very well written, and it is also written to people coming from a Christian perspective. There are also types of Judaism that don't quite fit those definitions... such as Reconstruction and humanistic Judaism. Basically, that page covers things from a 20,000 foot level , from a form of Judaism that is very much a minority in the U.S., and extremely basic for that.

So are you going to explain why God didn't create the universe?
 
So are you going to explain why God didn't create the universe?

I did not say one way or another.. However, if you read Genesis, God created the heavens and the earth from pre-existing material.. the was the earth, and the water (symbolic from order and chaos, and spirit of god was over the water... (i.e. the water already existed). The word Created is not created ex-nilo, , but rather it is the same word as 'formed', or 'molded'.. like a potter forms a pot from clay. The term used is 'bara', which is also used when a potter makes a pot.
 
I did not say one way or another.. However, if you read Genesis, God created the heavens and the earth from pre-existing material.. the was the earth, and the water (symbolic from order and chaos, and spirit of god was over the water... (i.e. the water already existed). The word Created is not created ex-nilo, , but rather it is the same word as 'formed', or 'molded'.. like a potter forms a pot from clay. The term used is 'bara', which is also used when a potter makes a pot.

You mean like existing material from the, let's say, big bang?
 
You mean like existing material from the, let's say, big bang?

Not at all. the people who wrote Genesis knew nothing of the inflationary cosmology, and the void, earth and water were symbolic of order and chaos. But order and chaos were what the ancient people though existed at the time that Genesis was compiled. The idea 'God created everything' was introduced in the Babylonian Diaspora , but that is about 400 years after it is believed that the first version of Genesis was written (which is thought to be about 10th century bce). Modern thinking might try to say that.. but I think it is a mistake to try to retrofit modern knowledge into the ancient stories. The scriptures are not a science book. The Jewish faith quite often thinks of the Tanakah as a record of man's search for God.
 
No actual atheist would frame such a question by "admitting" the existence of evidence in the preamble. It's a ridiculous fake story.

Duh, it's satire.

What a humorless bunch....
 
Duh, it's satire.

What a humorless bunch....

Every post on DP is sacred. Policies affecting the entire world and beyond are developed from this site. I'm surprised nobody has told you this yet. I, being of superior intellect, naturally assumed it without the necessity of being so informed. There ain't no flies on my posts as a result of this insight. Okay, maybe some of those little rolly polly bug things, but that's it. Couple of those little black things with lots of little legs, maybe, too. They're interchangeable. Sometimes there's a mix. A horsefly might show up now and then to pick up one of the other bugs. Think of it as fast food for horseflies. Have you ever suspected that Vegans are hypochondriacs? I have. They terrorize themselves. Wait. Where were we...

Oh yeah, being of superior intellect...God created DP to give atheists a place to bitch. God knows they need one.
 
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