3-year-old raped by uncle, officials say

[SgtRock]

Source: Victorville Daily Press
August 30, 2007

VICTORVILLE — A 3-year-old girl was found abused and bleeding Thursday night, and officials have arrested her uncle, an illegal alien, for child molestation.

Salvador Luna, 29, who was previously deported, was arrested on suspicion of sexual abuse of a child and was taken to the Victorville sheriff’s station where he underwent a physical examination, said Detective Ryan Collins.

I know that this could have been an American man of any race. And I know many of you believe that I am racist for posting stories like this.

I also know that in Mexico Pedophilia and sexual exploitation of minors are not classified as serious offences in almost half of Mexico's 31 states, increasing the likelihood of impunity, according to Ana Rosa Payán, general director of the Office and System of Integral Development for Family Welfare (DIF)

When men from this culture come to America we can expect to see many stories like this one. Rape and Pedophilia are seldom prosecuted in Mexico.

I personally believe we must expose this and talk about this taboo. How else are we expected to influence change if we do not shine a light on it. Thankyou ~ Sgt Rock

http://www.vvdailypress.com/news/_2591___article.html/_.html

 

[VTA]

Then they should castrate him before they catapult his *** back across the border, where he belongs. How's that for a profound message sent?

 

[Spartacus FPV]

Dude you're not racist, I'm SOOO more racist!

Ya know, I'll be honest, when I read the 1st line I was assuming this was about some incestuous white trash from bum****, and thought for once, it wasn't about illegals. Way to prove me wrong SgtRock!

I guess my prejudice got the best of me, I thought that was a white thang. :lol:

 

[jfuh]

Source: Victorville Daily Press
August 30, 2007

VICTORVILLE — A 3-year-old girl was found abused and bleeding Thursday night, and officials have arrested her uncle, an illegal alien, for child molestation.

Salvador Luna, 29, who was previously deported, was arrested on suspicion of sexual abuse of a child and was taken to the Victorville sheriff’s station where he underwent a physical examination, said Detective Ryan Collins.

I know that this could have been an American man of any race. And I know many of you believe that I am racist for posting stories like this.

I also know that in Mexico Pedophilia and sexual exploitation of minors are not classified as serious offences in almost half of Mexico's 31 states, increasing the likelihood of impunity, according to Ana Rosa Payán, general director of the Office and System of Integral Development for Family Welfare (DIF)

When men from this culture come to America we can expect to see many stories like this one. Rape and Pedophilia are seldom prosecuted in Mexico.

I personally believe we must expose this and talk about this taboo. How else are we expected to influence change if we do not shine a light on it. Thankyou ~ Sgt Rock

Victorville Daily Press : Breaking News: Authorities: 3-year-old raped by relative

You honestly believe that this is a cultural mentality that causes them to be a pedophile or a rapists?
Well then by default we will have to say that the catholic church is equally pedophilic then.
This is nothing but a sick twisted wacko - has nothing at all to do with race or culture.

 

[jfuh]

Re: Dude you're not racist, I'm SOOO more racist!

Ya know, I'll be honest, when I read the 1st line I was assuming this was about some incestuous white trash from bum****, and thought for once, it wasn't about illegals. Way to prove me wrong SgtRock!

I guess my prejudice got the best of me, I thought that was a white thang. :lol:

I thought it was another catholic priest or republican politician.

 

[1069]

Re: Dude you're not racist, I'm SOOO more racist!

Ya know, I'll be honest, when I read the 1st line I was assuming this was about some incestuous white trash from bum****, and thought for once, it wasn't about illegals. Way to prove me wrong SgtRock!

I guess my prejudice got the best of me, I thought that was a white thang. :lol:

Haha! He fooled you! He tricked you into reading racist garbage yet again!
Must've been the "uncle" part that threw you off.
Next time, perhaps he should title it "3-year-old raped by illegal-immigrant Tio."

:roll:

 

[SgtRock]

Hey folks, don't shoot the messanger. I am just showing you people what kind of animals are immigrating illegally to our country. If you choose to acuse me of being racist for pointing out the illegal pedophile then its you that has the problem. Why is it wrong to bring attention to this. Take your heads out of the sand. Open your eyes. I will follow up this post with proof that much of Mexico does not prosecute people for rape or pedophilia. Much of this evidence comes from the victims themselfs.

 

[Thelost1]

Hey folks, don't shoot the messanger. I am just showing you people what kind of animals are immigrating illegally to our country. If you choose to acuse me of being racist for pointing out the illegal pedophile then its you that has the problem. Why is it wrong to bring attention to this. Take your heads out of the sand. Open your eyes. I will follow up this post with proof that much of Mexico does not prosecute people for rape or pedophilia. Much of this evidence comes from the victims themselfs.

The problem, is that you put this in the "Immigration" forum, when it is clearly meant for the 'Sex and Sexuality" forum, since it deals with rape.

Think about it this way: if a gay guy got the death penalty for murder, would you consider it a sexuality issue, or a death penalty issue?

 

[NguyenRhymesWithWin]

(backspace) nevermind.. you folks will play the race card to death and raise of every round. I fold on this one.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/immig...ce-led-multi-agency-operation.html#post625318

What I pretty much think of you people in this thread too.

 

[1069]

The problem, is that you put this in the "Immigration" forum, when it is clearly meant for the 'Sex and Sexuality" forum, since it deals with rape.

No, it does not belong in the "Sex and Sexuality" forum.
Rape is not about sex or sexuality.
It is a crime of violence.

A raped, bleeding 3-year-old has nothing to do with "sex".
She is a victim of a violent crime.

What a reprehensible suggestion.

 

[SgtRock]

MEXICO CITY - March 7 - Mexican officials actively prevent rape victims from gaining access to legal and safe abortion, and they fail to punish rape and sexual violence inside and outside the family, said Human Rights Watch in a report released today.

http://www.commondreams.org/news2006/0307-13.htm

Mexico is struggling to modernize its justice system, but when it comes to punishing sexual violence against women, surprisingly little has changed in a century. In many parts of Mexico, the penalty for stealing a cow is harsher than the punishment for rape.

Although the law calls for tough penalties for rape, up to 20 years in prison, only rarely is there an investigation into even the most barbaric of sexual violence. Women's groups estimate that perhaps 1 percent of rapes are ever punished.

Mexico Rape Victims Often Denied Right To Abortion

A United Nations study found that 9 of 10 sexual assaults go unreported in Mexico and that 18 percent of victims of sexual assault were not aware that it was a crime.

"A recent government survey found that 47 percent of all women report being the victims of either physical, emotional, sexual or economic violence." said Patricia Espinosa, the director of the National Institute of Women. "But 84 percent of those who are victims of domestic violence remain silent."

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/17/i...rss&adxnnlx=1133518055-ZY8mtK6GPbII3kpdJ/cmsg

Below is a website dedicated to Latina women and children at risk.

http://www.libertadlatina.org/Crisis_Lat_Mexico_Juarez_Femicide.htm

In Mexican villages, rape can be called a courting ritual

In many of the thousands of indigenous communities, by custom, women are essentially servants of their fathers, brothers and husbands. In many villages around Reyeshogpan, a woman is forbidden to go out after dusk without her husband or her husband's permission. After 7 p.m., streets in village after village are populated only by men, many of them drunk. Alcoholism is another problem that contributes to violence against women.

Town elders, who act as judges in local criminal matters, are invariably men. In one village in Guerrero state, elders were recently asked how they punished rape. The six men looked confused, as if they did not know what the term meant. When it was explained to them, they all laughed and said it sounded more like a courting ritual than a crime.

When they stopped laughing, they said a rapist would probably get a few hours in the local jail, or he might have to pay the victim's family a $10 or $20 fine, but that all would be forgotten if he and the victim married.

In the case of a cattle thief, they said, he would be jailed. And, unlike the rapist, a cattle thief would be brought before the elders for a lecture about the severity of the crime.

In the southern state of Oaxaca last summer, the government-funded Oaxacan Women's Institute persuaded the legislature to pass heavy criminal penalties against a practice known as "rapto." Laws in most states define rapto as a case in which a man kidnaps a woman not for ransom but with the intent of marrying her or to satisfy his "erotic sexual desire." The new law championed by the women's group established penalties of at least 10 years in prison.

But in March, the state legislature reversed itself and again made the practice a minor infraction. A key legislator - a man - argued for the reduction, calling the practice harmless and "romantic."

The attorney general's office said there had been 137 criminal complaints of rapto in the state of Puebla since January 2000. Complete statistics are impossible to find, because most cases are settled between the families involved and never reported. Because rapto implies that the girl was taken away for sex, her parents want to avoid the shame associated with making a public complaint to the police.

In some cases, the girls voluntarily go with the man as a way to elope to avoid wedding expenses. But Gabriela Gutierrez Kleman, a lawyer with the Oaxacan Women's Institute, says that in many cases the women are taken against their will.

Gutierrez said it was hard to ask girls to complain about rapto, a custom that has changed little since their great-grandmothers' time. If they complain, she said, the family or the community often "treats them as outcasts."

In Mexican villages, rape can be called a courting ritual : LA IMC

I am bringing this to your attention because I am concerned about crimes like this being commited against Americans by men from this culture. If you choose to deny that the problem exist then you are a part of the problem. ~ Sgt Rock

 

[1069]

Mexico is struggling to modernize its justice system, but when it comes to punishing sexual violence against women, surprisingly little has changed in a century. In many parts of Mexico, the penalty for stealing a cow is harsher than the punishment for rape.

Although the law calls for tough penalties for rape, up to 20 years in prison, only rarely is there an investigation into even the most barbaric of sexual violence. Women's groups estimate that perhaps 1 percent of rapes are ever punished.
... A United Nations study found that 9 of 10 sexual assaults go unreported in Mexico... "A recent government survey found that 47 percent of all women report being the victims of either physical, emotional, sexual or economic violence." said Patricia Espinosa, the director of the National Institute of Women. "But 84 percent of those who are victims of domestic violence remain silent."

Wow. Sounds very much like the situation in the US, except that unlike Mexico, we are making no systematic effort to improve the situation.

Go to RAINN (the Rape, Abuse, and Incest National Network), read the US rape statistics, and tell me how they measure up.

 

[SgtRock]

Wow. Sounds very much like the situation in the US, except that unlike Mexico, we are making no systematic effort to improve the situation.

Go to RAINN (the Rape, Abuse, and Incest National Network), read the US rape statistics, and tell me how they measure up.

I went to the site and I agree we have a long way to go. But to compare our attitudes about rape to that of mexican villages were people consider rape a courting ritual is a bit disingenuous. We convict people to longer sentences for rape then most of the rest of the world. For instance in Austraila most rapist do not spend any time in jail at all.

As a father I have delt with with rape. One of my daughters was raped. So I take it very seriously. Without going into the details I will tell you that the perpetrator was convicted and is serving a 20 year sentence. Last I heard he was in the McConnell unit in Beeville Texas.

Anyway, I am not trying to say that we dont have our problems in this country. I have reached my conclussion on rape and pedophilia in Mexican culture through research. ~ Sgt Rock

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

No, it does not belong in the "Sex and Sexuality" forum.
Rape is not about sex or sexuality.
It is a crime of violence.

A raped, bleeding 3-year-old has nothing to do with "sex".
She is a victim of a violent crime.

What a reprehensible suggestion.

I don't think that thelost1 meant any offense. You're right. It is an act of violence, not a sexual act. But it is, what is termed a sex crime, and since we don't have a 'General Crimes' Forum, the Sex and Sexuality Forum would be the most appropriate place; kinda like the 'Domestic Violence' thread.

I'm not going to move this thread, however. I have argued, many times, how presenting issues such as this as Immigration issues demeans the real issue, in this case, rape, child molestation, and violent crimes against children. These are the issues that need to be at the forefront, here, not that the person was an illegal immigrant. My arguments have fallen on deaf ears. I am as against illegal immigration as some of our most fervent posters. I do not, however, think that it trumps issues such as these. Issues like this are systemic, not just about illegal immigrants. In this particular issue, illegal immigration is ancillary, not primary. That's not how it is being presented.

Regardless, I've said all I've wanted to on this matter, both in the past and currently. Moving the thread would be futile.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

(backspace) nevermind.. you folks will play the race card to death and raise of every round. I fold on this one.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/immig...ce-led-multi-agency-operation.html#post625318

What I pretty much think of you people in this thread too.

In your other post, you are missing the point. Speaking for myself, I don't think that SgtRock's postings are racist. He has his areas of interest as do we all. My only issue with postings such as these is that it detracts from the main issue, in this case, rape, child molestation, and violence against children. Illegal immigration is a big problem in this country, but presenting it like this gives the appearance that it either causes or is the main player in other problems, which it does/is not. Here, it is an ancillary issue, and should be addressed as such.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

On second thought, let give it a try and discuss the real issue, here. In the article, a couple of interesting things are presented. Firstly, the uncle had been accused of sexually molesting a child in the past, and there may be as many as four other family members that were molested. My question is, what the heck were these parents thinking in allowing this uncle any access to their children? There's a history, there. These parents needed to do far more to protect their daughter.

Thoughts? How much liability to the parents have, here?

 

[SgtRock]

On second thought, let give it a try and discuss the real issue, here. In the article, a couple of interesting things are presented. Firstly, the uncle had been accused of sexually molesting a child in the past, and there may be as many as four other family members that were molested. My question is, what the heck were these parents thinking in allowing this uncle any access to their children? There's a history, there. These parents needed to do far more to protect their daughter.

Thoughts? How much liability to the parents have, here?

These parents should be prosecuted for negligence and CPS shoud remove the parents from their home. What kind of parent would allow a known child molester live in their home?

 

[jfuh]

Anyway, I am not trying to say that we dont have our problems in this country. I have reached my conclussion on rape and pedophilia in Mexican culture through research. ~ Sgt Rock

:roll:What a surprise; so it is now your "expert" opinion that mexican culture is all about rape and pedophilia? Give me a fracking break.

 

[jfuh]

I don't think that thelost1 meant any offense. You're right. It is an act of violence, not a sexual act. But it is, what is termed a sex crime, and since we don't have a 'General Crimes' Forum, the Sex and Sexuality Forum would be the most appropriate place; kinda like the 'Domestic Violence' thread.

I'm not going to move this thread, however. I have argued, many times, how presenting issues such as this as Immigration issues demeans the real issue, in this case, rape, child molestation, and violent crimes against children. These are the issues that need to be at the forefront, here, not that the person was an illegal immigrant. My arguments have fallen on deaf ears. I am as against illegal immigration as some of our most fervent posters. I do not, however, think that it trumps issues such as these. Issues like this are systemic, not just about illegal immigrants. In this particular issue, illegal immigration is ancillary, not primary. That's not how it is being presented.

Regardless, I've said all I've wanted to on this matter, both in the past and currently. Moving the thread would be futile.

Why not, you guys are expedient with the environmental threads regardless of their qualification for breaking news. Odd how such special attention is limited to only environmental topics.

 

[jfuh]

These parents should be prosecuted for negligence and CPS shoud remove the parents from their home. What kind of parent would allow a known child molester live in their home?

I'll give you the answer that you're wanting as is evident from your racist xenophobic comments here.

In Mexican villages, rape can be called a courting ritual : LA IMC

I am bringing this to your attention because I am concerned about crimes like this being commited against Americans by men from this culture. If you choose to deny that the problem exist then you are a part of the problem. ~ Sgt Rock

Thus your answer to your question is Mexicans.:roll:
Yep, mexican culture promotes rape, pedophilia and incest doesn't it? You make me sick.

 

[1069]

I'll give you the answer that you're wanting as is evident from your racist xenophobic comments here.
[/COLOR]
Thus your answer to your question is Mexicans.:roll:
Yep, mexican culture promotes rape, pedophilia and incest doesn't it? You make me sick.

Prostituting real issues in the name of this neurotic "illegal immigration" hobbyhorse of yours is kind of perverse, Sarge.

 

[new coup for you]

some naturalized citizens:

Charles Manson

John Wayne Gacy

Jeffery Dahmer

Let's send them back to their country!

 

[SgtRock]

I'll give you the answer that you're wanting as is evident from your racist xenophobic comments here.
[/COLOR]
Thus your answer to your question is Mexicans.:roll:
Yep, mexican culture promotes rape, pedophilia and incest doesn't it? You make me sick.

Thankyou, I must be doing my job if Im making you sick. This article made me sick as well. ~ Sgt Rock

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

These parents should be prosecuted for negligence and CPS shoud remove the parents from their home. What kind of parent would allow a known child molester live in their home?

I agree completely. This is beyond negligence. I'd almost like to see these parents prosecuted as accessories.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Why not, you guys are expedient with the environmental threads regardless of their qualification for breaking news. Odd how such special attention is limited to only environmental topics.

I made a choice. Instead of moving yet another thread, and again, making SgtRock's posting an administrative issue, I decided to, as a poster, address and debate the real issue at hand. SgtRock responded in kind. You could, too. You all could. Let's discuss the issue:

How much culpability do you think parents have when they, knowingly, put their children near a known child molester and allow them to interact with that person unsupervised, and, henceforth, said child is molested? I say removal for negligence at the least, prosecution as accessories at the most.

What say y'all?