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[W:21]2K says screw it...

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Coming off the back of Rockstar and Take Two Interactives decision to shove a casino into an online game where real money can potentially be gambled away in an online virtual casino...

2K has gone completely off the deep end and has inserted a literal slot machine into their monetization scheme, those that kept saying “it’s not gambling, it’s not gambling, it’s not gambling”.

I’m sorry, but regardless of the fact you can’t cash out has no bearing on the fact that this is clearly gambling, it uses the same systems and psychological manipulation and audio visual cues and gameplay incentives in order for you to spin the wheel again and again and burying your head in the sand is only going to make it worse and worse.



And look, here’s the thing, if games are going to have these mechanics... Fine they can have them.

But they need to be regulated like any other gambling platform because that is what these are now.

****ing unbelievable...
 
Coming off the back of Rockstar and Take Two Interactives decision to shove a casino into an online game where real money can potentially be gambled away in an online virtual casino...

2K has gone completely off the deep end and has inserted a literal slot machine into their monetization scheme, those that kept saying “it’s not gambling, it’s not gambling, it’s not gambling”.

I’m sorry, but regardless of the fact you can’t cash out has no bearing on the fact that this is clearly gambling, it uses the same systems and psychological manipulation and audio visual cues and gameplay incentives in order for you to spin the wheel again and again and burying your head in the sand is only going to make it worse and worse.



And look, here’s the thing, if games are going to have these mechanics... Fine they can have them.

But they need to be regulated like any other gambling platform because that is what these are now.

****ing unbelievable...


2K is Take-Two. You seem to believe that the executives had some morals and ethics to begin with.
 
Anything profitable is self-justifying under capitalism.

The U.S. motto should be changed to "**** you, I got mine."
 
Coming off the back of Rockstar and Take Two Interactives decision to shove a casino into an online game where real money can potentially be gambled away in an online virtual casino...

2K has gone completely off the deep end and has inserted a literal slot machine into their monetization scheme, those that kept saying “it’s not gambling, it’s not gambling, it’s not gambling”.

I’m sorry, but regardless of the fact you can’t cash out has no bearing on the fact that this is clearly gambling, it uses the same systems and psychological manipulation and audio visual cues and gameplay incentives in order for you to spin the wheel again and again and burying your head in the sand is only going to make it worse and worse.



And look, here’s the thing, if games are going to have these mechanics... Fine they can have them.

But they need to be regulated like any other gambling platform because that is what these are now.

****ing unbelievable...


I don't know about that, man. If we consider this to be straight up gambling, then we should regulate baseball card manufacturers as casinos..

I mean, this seems as silly as trying to get the government involved in regulating the Diamond Casino in GTA V....

Or, maybe we should have the government get involved in WOW raiding mechanics because that is also a gamble, technically.

Do you want to suck the fun out of everything?
 
Do you want to suck the fun out of everything?

Says the guy who defends things like Fallout 76, enjoy your battle royale mode bra...

The point is these things are sucking the fun out of games, they’re devaluing them, remember when one use to have to play the game to unlock items and cosmetics?

Remember when paying full price for a game meant you got a full product?

Layers upon layers of monetization, often imbedded in gambling like mechanics, I mean take Black Ops 4 as an example.

An otherwise solid game absolutely chock to the bit with:

Full priced game.
Season pass that’s almost as expensive as the base game.
Loot boxes.
Battle pass.
Rotating item timed store.

It’s obscene and it’s only going to get worse and more egregious.

But you always seem to defend scumbags.
 
Says the guy who defends things like Fallout 76, enjoy your battle royale mode bra...

Correct. I'm the guy who spends more time enjoying life than bitching about it. Would you like a pamphlet?
 
Says the guy who defends things like Fallout 76, enjoy your battle royale mode bra...

The point is these things are sucking the fun out of games, they’re devaluing them, remember when one use to have to play the game to unlock items and cosmetics?

Remember when paying full price for a game meant you got a full product?

Layers upon layers of monetization, often imbedded in gambling like mechanics, I mean take Black Ops 4 as an example.

An otherwise solid game absolutely chock to the bit with:

Full priced game.
Season pass that’s almost as expensive as the base game.
Loot boxes.
Battle pass.
Rotating item timed store.

It’s obscene and it’s only going to get worse and more egregious.

But you always seem to defend scumbags.

is someone forcing you to participate in these "extras"
 
is someone forcing you to participate in these "extras"

Excuse #2 “it’s optional”.

Big publishers love that excuse, but it doesn’t hold water and the fact if the matter is you’ve got a game that’s rated for 3 years old and above with literal slot machines, random card packs, chance wheels etc with stories like this becoming more prevalent...

'The kids emptied our bank account playing Fifa' 'The kids emptied our bank account playing Fifa' - BBC News

So sorry, your argument and defence doesn’t hold water with what the gaming industry is doing.

Yes, the parents should have had in app purchases turned off... but not everyone understands at the face value of what just seems like a soccer game for kids, the gambling mechanics inside and that’s exactly how EA wants it.

And this isn’t an accident, it’s not an innocent coincidence that they use these types of mechanics.

This guy spells it out, speaks openly about manipulating people using underhanded tricks and devaluing the game experience in order to get you to buy more.

 
ESO has that. It kind of pisses me off.

I enjoy the game though, and am not pouring extra cash into it. It isn't actually necessary to do well. You can find everything and buy the rest with accumulated gold.




It is an ugly trend though.
 
Actually, in this case ignorance is agony and acceptance is bliss.

You seem to like scumbags... Politically and in gaming and considering Bethesda went back on its promise that the atom store would be cosmetics only and implemented micro transactions for repair kits... which if you watch the video I posted is monetization 101... and you see what they did with Elder Scrolls Blades and all the other mobile trash they are making now.

There was a great interview Todd Howard did with IGN in which he talks about how many people are still playing Skyrim and Fallout 4 so many years after release and how he talks about how because of the single player nature of the games “we can’t reach them”.

What he’s talking about is they can’t monetize it and keep getting your money, which is exactly why they tried to monetize mods with the creation club.

And that’s what fallout 76 was, not an honest attempt to create a Fallout multiplayer game, as you and Oozle poorly attempted to defend it as, but an attempt to jump in the Games as Service bandwagon, something you denied it was but is clearly Bethesda’s focus, god knows what will happen with Starfield and ES:6 if they pivot it that way as well and that’s why this is so important, yes it’s a bit like TV, you can choose not to play the games, yes you can change the channel but it’s becoming so endemic in the industry and a lot of our favourite franchises are being sucked into this void and it’s getting really hard to find those good bigger budget games that do have high quality in some areas but are chocked to the brim with really scummy monetization schemes, after you’ve already paid full price, but stuff like Cyberpunk 77 being beacons of hope in such an era.

It matters because it’s devalued the games we enjoy and made them objectively worse and I’m simply pro consumer, I’m not naive enough to think companies make games out of the goodness of their hearts... but there has to be some ethical limit in the sand somewhere of the crap that they can pull.
 
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You seem to like scumbags... yadda yadda yadda.

See what I mean? Case in point: You spent a lot more time writing that than I spent not reading it and I am more satisfied than you in the outcome. Bitching about optional content of AAA games is about the most first-world-problem nonsense there is, and you are easily the most invested person in that self-degrading pastime I have ever met.

Life's too short, find something that makes you happy and talk about it and stop bitching about what doesn't.
 
See what I mean? Case in point: You spent a lot more time writing that than I spent not reading it and I am more satisfied than you in the outcome. Bitching about optional content of AAA games is about the most first-world-problem nonsense there is, and you are easily the most invested person in that self-degrading pastime I have ever met.

Life's too short, find something that makes you happy and talk about it and stop bitching about what doesn't.

I can walk and chew gum at the same time and saying “well there’s bigger problems” is a pretty poor intellectual exercise.

It’s a bit of a hobby, I understand the gaming industry and it annoys me where it’s going because it’s also incredibly short sighted and will lead it into difficulties in the future and we’ll get poorer products for it.

But it’s as usual with you, “nah ah” is the best you’ve got, I come with mountains of evidence and insight and you’ve got... nothing.

If you don’t want to engage in conversation about the industry and how it operates, perhaps you aren’t mentally capable of understanding it, I don’t know, then just don’t come to the party, I’d probably rather be stupid and having fun with garbage if I could do but, I just don’t operate that way.
 
I can walk and chew gum at the same time

It doesn't appear you can. The world of gaming appears to make you unhappy, anyway. Maybe find a different hobby.
 
It doesn't appear you can. The world of gaming appears to make you unhappy, anyway. Maybe find a different hobby.

This is the problem, these mechanics are not innocent, they are not, “oh they’re just on the side and you can use them if you want to”.

These things are in your face and they use psychological tricks to prey upon people, they are not innocent and they are not by accident and they are ripping people off and degrading the medium and if you watch that keynote speech, you’ll see it’s very calculated and it’s meant to manipulate people using all sorts of tricks.

So put your head in sand if you like but I’ll be on the side of the consumer and I’ll continue talking about bad practices, you as usual as the type of conservative you are, think big business can do whatever it wants.
 
This is the problem, these mechanics are not innocent...

See? You are finding nefarious boogeymen in the unholy marriage of sports and trading cards. :roll:

At some point you stopped looking for things to like and started looking for things to hate.
 
See? You are finding nefarious boogeymen in the unholy marriage of sports and trading cards. :roll:

At some point you stopped looking for things to like and started looking for things to hate.

That’s a good little corporatist conservative.

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That’s a good little corporatist conservative.

You do a great job of proving my point.

You will probably be less angry if your woke, anti-corporatist warrior self was less emotionally dependent of corporate funded and developed AAA titles.

Mind blowing, I know...
 
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