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How do you see your future computer use?

How do you see your future computer use?

  • I use Windows computers and I need full Windows for applications that require full power.

    Votes: 3 33.3%
  • I use Windows and most of my computer app use & access is online

    Votes: 1 11.1%
  • I use Apple OSX and most of my computer app use & access is online

    Votes: 1 11.1%
  • I use Apple OSX and most of my computer access is for applications that require full power.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I use Apple iOS (iPad / iPhone) and most of my computer app use & access is online

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I use Androind or Chrome (phone / tablet) and most of my computer app use & access is online

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • My computer life is a reasonable mix of offline and online app use.

    Votes: 4 44.4%

  • Total voters
    9
I agree... if the iPad could run Android or Windows or Linux or even OSX (cant stand the file system there), it would be a much much much better productivity device. The lack of a file system is a killer.

I use a MacBook so I can compare with Mac OSX - I will agree Apple have a "our way or the highway" mentality at times. There's also a suspicion from some that Apple want to control every aspect of the computer your "loaned" from them (even if you think you bought it and it's your property).

Anyhow, I too have been looking or the last few years at whether to go iPad Pro / another MacBook / PC laptop or Desktop. The Mac Pro is just far too expensive and hasn't been updated for 4 years so that's out - and it's not user upgradeable.
My thinking is build my own - with a separate graphic screen. The new iPad is not for me - I need power and an OS to make the most of that power.
 
I'd become an android if I could. Short of that:

New desktop gaming PC - fast, quiet, stupid-fast -I do game development full time and play games for fun
New laptop ultra-book - similar gaming capable and very light and nice looking. for when I don't want to be tied to the desk.

ipad (2 or 3 I forget), solely for watching netflix/hulu in bed at night. And for recipes to the kitchen. I hate IOS
kindle fire - for amazon prime movies and my e-reader with kindle unlimited, lame but was cheap
MS Surface - a coaster - complete waste of money IMO, useless, gets crazy hot and rev's up like an airplane, terrible keyboard, stupid buy
kindle paper-white - my old e-read, I like it, but I wish it was a tad bit bigger

Changing from PC isn't likely to happen unless it goes away. I can't downgrade my experience or the versatility without getting enraged, so it's here to stay suspect.

I'm about done with having a Lovecraftian mess of tentacle-cables near my nightstand. Phone, ipad, kindle fire, use to have surface...it's a mess.

I got that pad/disk charger for my phone (samsung), and it was too wonky, wouldn't always work or stay charging, which is not cool when you're phone is almost out and you intentionally tried to charge it, come back later and it's off. Another waste of money.
 
I use a MacBook so I can compare with Mac OSX - I will agree Apple have a "our way or the highway" mentality at times. There's also a suspicion from some that Apple want to control every aspect of the computer your "loaned" from them (even if you think you bought it and it's your property).

Anyhow, I too have been looking or the last few years at whether to go iPad Pro / another MacBook / PC laptop or Desktop. The Mac Pro is just far too expensive and hasn't been updated for 4 years so that's out - and it's not user upgradeable.
My thinking is build my own - with a separate graphic screen. The new iPad is not for me - I need power and an OS to make the most of that power.
"Power" basically means Windows PC these days .. can run Linux on it of course. Most Macs are underpowered expensive machines and those Macs that on paper do have power, slack on graphics and cost a fortune. The iMac Pro is a beast that cost as wayyy too much and what does Apple do.. put in a low powered GPU and botch the overall cooling....but it still looks cool!

It is telling that Adobe Premiere and other products run much better and faster on Windows machines than Macs these days... use to be opposite basically.

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I'd become an android if I could. Short of that:

New desktop gaming PC - fast, quiet, stupid-fast -I do game development full time and play games for fun
New laptop ultra-book - similar gaming capable and very light and nice looking. for when I don't want to be tied to the desk.

ipad (2 or 3 I forget), solely for watching netflix/hulu in bed at night. And for recipes to the kitchen. I hate IOS
kindle fire - for amazon prime movies and my e-reader with kindle unlimited, lame but was cheap
MS Surface - a coaster - complete waste of money IMO, useless, gets crazy hot and rev's up like an airplane, terrible keyboard, stupid buy
kindle paper-white - my old e-read, I like it, but I wish it was a tad bit bigger

Changing from PC isn't likely to happen unless it goes away. I can't downgrade my experience or the versatility without getting enraged, so it's here to stay suspect.

I'm about done with having a Lovecraftian mess of tentacle-cables near my nightstand. Phone, ipad, kindle fire, use to have surface...it's a mess.

I got that pad/disk charger for my phone (samsung), and it was too wonky, wouldn't always work or stay charging, which is not cool when you're phone is almost out and you intentionally tried to charge it, come back later and it's off. Another waste of money.
Not all wireless chargers are the same... some require the phone to be a specific place on the pad and others dont. I have never had any issues with the chargers I have but I do know of some who have. It came down to placement.

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I buy a new PC ever 4 to 5 years, so I expect that I will buy a new one in about 2 years. I think it will bet he last PC I buy, however, because I expect we are ready to move fully back to dumb terminals, and streaming services for all things that we'd normally use a PC for over the next 10 years.
I thought that might be the direction of travel for a while but I wouldn’t give up on PCs yet. Streaming data is going to continue to grow but the relative cheapness of the require processing and storage along with the continuing limitations on end-to-end networking means on-board processing of that data is going to continue to be the best option for the foreseeable future. There’s no technical benefit (and some technical risks) with any modern take on a dumb-terminal system for general purposes.
 
I thought that might be the direction of travel for a while but I wouldn’t give up on PCs yet. Streaming data is going to continue to grow but the relative cheapness of the require processing and storage along with the continuing limitations on end-to-end networking means on-board processing of that data is going to continue to be the best option for the foreseeable future. There’s no technical benefit (and some technical risks) with any modern take on a dumb-terminal system for general purposes.

People have already accepted the bulk of the risk happily. While more savvy tech folks realize the drawbacks of "owning" digital media, most don't. Blu-Ray and book sales are down, digital copies are up. Gaming is almost entirely digital copy now. We are entering a pretty weird reality where there is nothing written in stone. A book you read on your Kindle can now be edited after you read it. You don't technically "own" any digital media, you lease it for as long as the provide finds it economically reasonable to provide it, and then it is gone.

As for cost of processing power, it is far cheaper to lease IOPS and FLOPS from a server farm than it is to buy your own, and the reasons for that are legion. In the buisiness world it comes down to manpower. A business IT budget is roughly 20% hardware and software and 80% manpower and support. Cloud computing cuts that overhead tremendously. The business model is very similar in cost benefit analysis to ISP charges. We pay ISPs for burst speed, not continuous line speed. If you tried to buy a dedicated 100mb/s internet connection you'd quickly realize exactly how expensive the internet is. It is affordable because the ISP sells based on an assumed 3-5GB a day average, which averages to well below 100mb/s connection.

You pay for a PC that will run most games, for instance, for $1200.00, but you only use that PC when you are home, and then only for a few hours a day at most. So your investment in always available FLOP and IOP capacity is largely wasted. If you were to instead lease the FLOPs and IOPs for those 14 hours a week a service provider could charge you $8.50/month for the same capacity and still cover the 80% support markup. MANY MANY people would opt for that $8.50/month charge over investing in a new PC every 5 years... especially when a service will upgrade on the fly and handle all the normal headaches of PC ownership.

Low intensity computing will just be rolled into the cost of the software license. Microsoft is already doing this, offering an online only Office Suite at a fraction of the cost of what you'd pay to maintain a PC, let alone a Business full of PCs to support local usage.

It's just coming. There is no way to stop it. There will certainly be hold outs, at the local copy hipsters will be the future audio hipsters hording vinyl records. :2razz:

In fact, streaming gaming actually makes a LOT more sense with regard to the kind of gaming that people do today. MMOs, FPS multiplayer games and so on already depend entirely on a back end server. Many games we don't consider online only are becoming online only. You can't play Diablo III offline...

So since the company managed servers are already becoming ubiquitous in gaming, it makes a LOAD of sense to abandon the client-side computing all together. The biggest issues facing online game modeling today is the disparity in platform, and internet lag, and all of that goes away if all computing is handled on a local server. That actually frees up a HUGE burden on multiplayer gaming, and allows for a level of world modeling that is currently not obtainable in client-side computing models.

A good example: Consider a game like PUBG. In that game there are bushes, tall grass and smoke grenades that all, in theory, can be used for stealth. But in a client side computing model your ability to use those concealment depend entirely on your opponent's render settings. If they reduce grass render distance, they won't even see the grass you are trying to hide behind. Likewise smoke only renders out to a certain distance, so you can pop smoke but the guy sniping you at distance won't see the smoke. If that game is rendered entirely server side then concealment will not be draw-distance dependent, and the game maker can control how the game is presented to everyone equally... like adding a fog effect to block visuals at distances they don't want to render.

Anyway, TL;DR server side processing makes a lot of sense.
 
Anyway, TL;DR server side processing makes a lot of sense.
Some server-side processing does and will continue to make a lot of sense. You referred to dumb terminals though; that means literally 100% server-side processing. That isn’t really viable for general purpose use over the internet and isn’t likely to be in the foreseeable future. There will continue to be plenty of development in all of the areas you’re talking about but that’s all about improving the overall experience by combining the power of both sides, balancing the advantages and disadvantages of each, not simply replacing client-side processing.
 
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