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Mycroft said:
The savings is more than just the savings for the RAM. Unless you want to go through the hassle of updating the MB BIOS, you will also need a more expensive motherboard designed for that DDR4 RAM/processor combination. That's why I also suggested a different MB to go along with DDR3 for a self-built system. And, I would also look into a different processor...say, a gen 6 i7 of some kind.

As far as cheaper DDR4, the OP addressed that. The cheaper stuff is cheaper for a reason. With my comparison, I used a well-respected brand and one of their sweet-spot models.

One can alway make their own choices...depending upon their needs and their budget. Given the OP's mention of the common price point he sees...$400...for that money, I'd go with a better processor, 16GB's DDR3 RAM and use the savings for the graphics card or an SSD. But understand that I really haven't done any pricing. This is just my guesstimate.
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Except a ddr3 board that supports the 6th gen processors is harder to find and more expensive than a ddr4 board and for $400 you shouldnt be going for a better processor but a better video card

heres a 7th gen build for $572 with 16gb of ddr4-2400

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Pentium G4560 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor ($96.45 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte - GA-B250M-DS3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($50.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Team - Vulcan 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($122.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: ADATA - Premier Pro SP600 64GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($46.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB Video Card ($154.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Rosewill - FBM-01 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($24.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair - CX (2017) 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $527.38
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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heres a 6th gen "better" processor for $629 with 16gb ddr3-2133

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-6400 2.7GHz Quad-Core Processor ($174.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Asus - B150M-K D3 Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($77.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: ADATA - Premier Pro SP600 64GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($46.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB Video Card ($154.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Rosewill - FBM-01 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($24.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair - CX (2017) 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $629.92
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-10-01 13:09 EDT-0400
 
Crovax said:
Except a ddr3 board that supports the 6th gen processors is harder to find and more expensive than a ddr4 board and for $400 you shouldnt be going for a better processor but a better video card

heres a 7th gen build for $572 with 16gb of ddr4-2400

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Pentium G4560 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor ($96.45 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte - GA-B250M-DS3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($50.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Team - Vulcan 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($122.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: ADATA - Premier Pro SP600 64GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($46.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB Video Card ($154.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Rosewill - FBM-01 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($24.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair - CX (2017) 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $527.38
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-10-01 13:06 EDT-0400

heres a 6th gen "better" processor for $629 with 16gb ddr3-2133

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-6400 2.7GHz Quad-Core Processor ($174.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Asus - B150M-K D3 Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($77.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: ADATA - Premier Pro SP600 64GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($46.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB Video Card ($154.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Rosewill - FBM-01 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($24.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair - CX (2017) 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $629.92
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-10-01 13:09 EDT-0400
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The g4560 on the top list is not equal to an i5 or i7, or even the beteer i3 processors. That processor was the budget gaming processor, which will not give yo superior fps or multitasking, but is well known for it's ability to handle it's own on games for nearly half the price of an i5. In terms of gaming an i5 or i7 would work much better, as most games recently can run on 2 cores, but utilize 4 cores max, which the i5 i7 and the ryzen 4 core series fits nicely.

Also to note ram can be gotten cheaper than what you posted, but I personally would not use cheap ram, it degrades over time slowing down your computer, with heat being the biggest killer. The ones you posted somewhat have heatsinks, I would prefer full heatsinked ram as they can go years without degradation even if they cost much more.
 
beerftw said:
The g4560 on the top list is not equal to an i5 or i7, or even the beteer i3 processors. That processor was the budget gaming processor, which will not give yo superior fps or multitasking, but is well known for it's ability to handle it's own on games for nearly half the price of an i5.
In terms of gaming an i5 or i7 would work much better, as most games recently can run on 2 cores, but utilize 4 cores max, which the i5 i7 and the ryzen 4 core series fits nicely.
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Its better than all but the most expensive i3 processor and yes its not as good as an i5 but the cheapest i5 is $80 more expensive and will give very small performance boost when it comes to gaming which is the goal of this computer especially if you are going with a cheaper video card then pretty much every game you play will be video card limited so it doesnt matter what processor you buy. You wouldnt want to pair a $200 processor with a $150 dollar video card that would be a huge waste of money.

Also to note ram can be gotten cheaper than what you posted, but I personally would not use cheap ram, it degrades over time slowing down your computer, with heat being the biggest killer. The ones you posted somewhat have heatsinks, I would prefer full heatsinked ram as they can go years without degradation even if they cost much more.
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The ram I picked was the cheapest that pc parts picker had I dont know if I would trust another place with cheaper ram its probably not reputable
 
Chomsky said:
1] Did you consider an SSD, as your main drive? That's your biggest speed bottleneck. You can always boot off a small moderately priced SSD drive, and keep your memory intensive data on the slower and larger HDD data drive.

2] RAM will have sweet spot pricing. It's expensive initially when introduced, falls to a low sweet spot when it achieves maximum market penetration, then gets more and more expensive as the new generation of memory comes out, finally getting uber expensive and eventually near non existent as it's phased-out completely.

The key, is to buy at the low point for your generation. So make sure you watch the markets, so you don't get priced-out and stuck without an upgrade path.
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Have you checked out the M.2 SSDs from Samsung? I have the 960 EVO in my PC it is really nice.
 
Nap said:
Have you checked out the M.2 SSDs from Samsung? I have the 960 EVO in my PC it is really nice.
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Yes, the EVO's are great, and a decent value for a quality product.

Virtually no single device in your computer will effect speed more, than having an SSD. That of course is predicated, upon having adequate RAM.
 
Intel has launched the 8th gen processors now. Availability is tight for now but they're worth looking at for someone building a system. (although I'd suggest waiting until the early adopter price gouging stops)
 
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